Illegal Alien Costume causing uproar.....

[caupina]

NicolasKL: I don't think the others members are trying to portray citizens of Mexico as "evil", the point of this debate is about doing the right thing, entering this country legally and abide by the rules set forth. Even though I understand your point of view which could be summarized as "extreme circumstances demand extreme measures", I don't condone coming here illegally. Now please understand that not all illegal aliens come here with the purpose of leeching off the "richest country of world", in fact they are just looking at a better chance for them and their family, and not all of them have the means to do it by the book, but it doesn't justify it. You have to play by the rules, no matter how tough and strict they are.
I'm here legally because I'm fortunate enough to be sponsored by the company I work for, but I know how hard is to get even a tourist visa to come to the US. None of my relatives can come and visit me because they are considered to be "imminent illegal aliens" which means that they don't fit the profile of the person that just comes for touristic purposes, which it doesn't make sense to me, but it is what it is, even though they have no intentions of staying here for good, they are happy back home, but it'd be nice to have them here and show them around.
Just my two cents

 

[lsiberian]

Illegal aliens add a tax burden on legal citizens:

Illegal aliens drain on tax monies that would otherwise be spent for law-abiding citizens. Social services for illegal aliens were estimated to cost the law-abiding American taxpayers. Most current estimates for costs of illegal alien services since 1996 is almost 400 trillion dollars (ImmigrationCounters.com

New Jersey spends more than $2.1 billion annually on public expenditures for education, medical care, and incarceration for the estimated 372,000 illegal aliens residing in the state. Governor Jon Corzine admitted, that illegal aliens are, "one of the worst tax burdens in the United States."

Officials in California report that providing illegal immigrants these social services costs the state $3 billion annually.

Did you know that an estimated 2/3rds of illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes according to an article by the reason foundation?

Also illegal immigrants can't apply for any means-based assistance from the federal government.

 

[highfigh]

First of all, you ALSO didn't say anything about their cost of living. Exchange rate does not equal cost of living. Have you ever even been to Mexico? Things there don't cost the 1/13th that you are trying to indicate. Second of all, 4 dollars a day is 4 dollars a day, considering they have to pay the thousand dollars in USD, not in pesos.

They don't cost Gringos $4 a day but the locals know where to get the things they need for less.

When illegals are sending tens of billions of dollars to their relatives in Mexico, how much does that $1000 really cost the ones in Mexico? Maybe the absence of the ones who came up here and at worst, the loss of lives. While that's tragic, it still happened while breaking someone's law- like it, or not. Why don't you try sneaking into some other country and see how that goes.

 

[highfigh]

Google on Ellis Island. It was pretty open in the late 1800's/early 1900's

I would like to have known my Grandfather, who came here in 1889 but he died in 1950. Anyway, I never knew it was that wide open. I do know they sent people back for all kinds of diseases after showering them with DDT to kill lice, ticks and fleas.

 

[highfigh]

If you don't have anything to contribute don't bother posting.

You seem to like telling others to post a solution but I haven't seen anything like that from you. You just keep telling people who have been involved in the immigration process that they're wrong or dumb.

Do you have any good, useful ideas, or not? Just letting them in isn't one. Giving them amnesty isn't either.

 

[gmichael]

I would like to have known my Grandfather, who came here in 1889 but he died in 1950. Anyway, I never knew it was that wide open. I do know they sent people back for all kinds of diseases after showering them with DDT to kill lice, ticks and fleas.

I would have liked to have met my uncle. He joined the Air Force as soon as our family came here from Italy. He was one of the many killed during the Normandy invasion.
Sprayed with DDT huh? That could NOT have been fun.

 

[highfigh]

I certainly would welcome anyone to come here legally.


Illegal Immigrants are being exploited by the same governments and people that claim to care about them.

First: The Mexican government allows them to leave their country, and treats them as if they are an exportable commodity.
Mexico then reaps the benefits when the millions of dollars are sent home.

Second: For many Republicans, illegal immigrants and imported labor are sources of cheap labor.

Third: For many Democrats, they are a cheap source of votes (from members of the extended family with citizenship or through voter fraud). The person paying the price is the American Tax Payer.

It's not 'millions', it averages tens of billions, annually with many years totalling $50 Billion. Ten years worth would have been a good start on the first stimulus bill, don't you think?

Also, I don't think it's just the Republicans who are consumers of their cheap labor. For that matter, I doubt Democrats are the only ones who see them as cheap votes.

I won't argue the last point because I completely agree with it.

 

[Rickster71]

Did you know that an estimated 2/3rds of illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes according to an article by the reason foundation?

Also illegal immigrants can't apply for any means-based assistance from the federal government.

Granted, they pay some sales tax and some pay Social Security taxes every year.
In most cases, the money comes out of their paychecks, which are processed using 'fake' Social Security numbers.
Though not enough to off-set the massive burden on our entire system & infrastructure.

I'd love to pay the pittance in taxes that they do; just to get that great $1 to $13 dollar exchange rate.
Sign me up!

 

[highfigh]

NicolasKL: I don't think the others members are trying to portray citizens of Mexico as "evil", the point of this debate is about doing the right thing, entering this country legally and abide by the rules set forth. Even though I understand your point of view which could be summarized as "extreme circumstances demand extreme measures", I don't condone coming here illegally. Now please understand that not all illegal aliens come here with the purpose of leeching off the "richest country of world", in fact they are just looking at a better chance for them and their family, and not all of them have the means to do it by the book, but it doesn't justify it. You have to play by the rules, no matter how tough and strict they are.
I'm here legally because I'm fortunate enough to be sponsored by the company I work for, but I know how hard is to get even a tourist visa to come to the US. None of my relatives can come and visit me because they are considered to be "imminent illegal aliens" which means that they don't fit the profile of the person that just comes for touristic purposes, which it doesn't make sense to me, but it is what it is, even though they have no intentions of staying here for good, they are happy back home, but it'd be nice to have them here and show them around.
Just my two cents

Since you're from Mexico, can you fill me/us in on what the Mexican government is doing to help, or are they too busy with gangs and cartels (that's what I see on the various news channels)? What is your opinion of Vincente Fox, as a former President and of the current Mexican President?

 

[highfigh]

I would have liked to have met my uncle. He joined the Air Force as soon as our family came here from Italy. He was one of the many killed during the Normandy invasion.
Sprayed with DDT huh? That could NOT have been fun.

Your comment about your uncle raises a good point- while some illegals enter the Armed Forces as a way to become naturalized citizens, I wonder what the percentage is. It seems that so many are here for anything but helping the US.

Well, it was in powder form. They still did that as late as the '60s. It's too bad it damages the eggs of birds (among other hazards), because it sure is a great insecticide.

 

[highfigh]

Did you know that an estimated 2/3rds of illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes according to an article by the reason foundation?

Also illegal immigrants can't apply for any means-based assistance from the federal government.

Exactly how do they pay taxes if they don't have forged documents? Expired work visas? 2/3? I have a hard time believing that. 10% are in prison.

 

[lsiberian]

How about the fact that many illegal immigrants are enslaved in our own country.

 

[markw]

How about the fact that many illegal immigrants are enslaved in our own country.

You wanna elaborate on this one?

 

[gmichael]

How about the fact that many illegal immigrants are enslaved in our own country.

I'm not sure that I understand. No wait. Let me say that I do know that I don't understand. Who is enslaved where?

 

[Schupo]

Do you have any good, useful ideas, or not? Just letting them in isn't one. Giving them amnesty isn't either.

Why isn't it okay to do a background check, make sure they don't have any outstanding warrants or criminal background, and then grant them residency? What makes it okay that because of where I was born, I don't have to go through the immigration process? It's so... arbitrary.

 

[caupina]

Since you're from Mexico, can you fill me/us in on what the Mexican government is doing to help, or are they too busy with gangs and cartels (that's what I see on the various news channels)? What is your opinion of Vincente Fox, as a former President and of the current Mexican President?

Highfigh: you're just shooting without actually aiming.....what makes you think I'm from Mexico?????

I'm from way down south of the border....Chile to be exact.

I can't say much about Mexico or Vicente Fox for that matter, but my impression is that their government is not too concerned about this influx of illegals into the US. I went to Tijuana once and when crossing the border from US to Mexico, no authority on the Mexican side asked me anything, I mean there was nobody at the border controlling who was coming into Mexico

 

[Matt34]

Highfigh: you're just shooting without actually aiming.....what makes you think I'm from Mexico?????

I'm from way down south of the border....Chile to be exact.

I can't say much about Mexico or Vicente Fox for that matter, but my impression is that their government is not too concerned about this influx of illegals into the US. I went to Tijuana once and when crossing the border from US to Mexico, no authority on the Mexican side asked me anything, I mean there was nobody at the border controlling who was coming into Mexico

It's a very different story on there Southern border however.

 

[highfigh]

How about the fact that many illegal immigrants are enslaved in our own country.

Enslaved, or working for peanuts? Who's keeping them here?

 

[highfigh]

Why isn't it okay to do a background check, make sure they don't have any outstanding warrants or criminal background, and then grant them residency? What makes it okay that because of where I was born, I don't have to go through the immigration process? It's so... arbitrary.

Nice theory- how do we verify their identity when they give false names? Where do we keep them while we wait for the real info to clear?

This is a big part of why I don't like the legislation being pushed- they want to allow them to be free here after less and 24 hours and without a full background check.

If you were born in a US territory, you don't have to jump through the same hoops.

 

[highfigh]

Highfigh: you're just shooting without actually aiming.....what makes you think I'm from Mexico?????

I'm from way down south of the border....Chile to be exact.

I can't say much about Mexico or Vicente Fox for that matter, but my impression is that their government is not too concerned about this influx of illegals into the US. I went to Tijuana once and when crossing the border from US to Mexico, no authority on the Mexican side asked me anything, I mean there was nobody at the border controlling who was coming into Mexico

Who's shooting? I was asking a question and to be honest, it would be helpful to all if more people would indicate their location so this kind of confusion wouldn't happen as much. You didn't say and I guess I effed up by assuming but regardless, you have a different perspective, opinion and knowledge of Mexico's situation, so I still wanted an answer.