Happy Fathers day Illegal Aliens!

masak_aer

masak_aer

Senior Audioholic
JoeE SP9 said:
I am one of those left wing liberals. I want every illegal alien deported immediately. I am for any kind of social program that benefits American citizens. It is completely disgusting the way the press seems to have a soft heart for illegals. It's not our fault the Mexican government is corrupt. Instead of coming here and trying to change our laws they should stay home and change their own government and country.:cool:
Weren't your ancestors start as an illegal aliens? What is legal what's illegal? People make laws to protect other people. Humanity? Ever heard of that? Laws against humanity? It has been a nasty fight all along. You come to U.S. Land and kicked out the Indians that have LONG LONG been here before you! Is that legal to present laws? Is it the humane? Where do you put them now? Reservations? Didn't also name places where you it is illegal to cut down trees and animals as reservations? How can you degrade humans dignity so low?

People have rights and that is to live a better life. It is of human nature. I am not saying coming into U.S. illegaly is the right way. I am just saying politics in a country won't change overnight. Even if it changes, do you think the "common" folks will know the difference overnight? They have kids and they have hopes that their generation after live a better life and not to wait on an uncertain politics.

Sending them home isn't an easy tasks. By the way, how much do we lose on these illegal immigrants? Do we gain anything at all? If you are so afraid losing your tax money, isn't it easier to deny them healthcare and other government supported programs rather than sending them straight home? Have them pay taxes and pay health/life insurance! Have them repay most of or even all of their back taxes! Have them properly fill out the paper work and let them back to work...Don't any of the left wing liberals benefitted in some sorts from these "illegal" immigrants? I mean common just because you were born after the first generation when they pushed out the Indians it gives you every rights to kicked out those that have been not so fortunate as you are.

Am I attacking a certain group of people now? Am I gonna get banned? I have been reading along this time on this illegal aliens thing but i can't help but chime in on how some folks can be so mean in denying others attempt for better life. I am sorry but I feel this must be said anyhow. Politics is B.S. to me, if you are on their side, you are their friends but they can turn against you in an instant. They fight in the courts and the meetings but they have lunch together at the cafetarias shaking hands and holding shoulders. One way or another, there's no right or wrong in their eyes. What matters is, who holds the most chair, they are the one who rule.:(
 
warhummer

warhummer

Junior Audioholic
Sheep said:
You forget that Canada is ALOT bigger then the US. We'll just send them up north. :rolleyes: :D

SheepStar
That will offend the First Nation, I mean Aboriginals, I mean what's the descriptor of the week?
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
Sheep said:
Illegal imigrants from mexico, Mexicans. They're coming to the United States of America to try and find a better life, and you're denying them everything.

Try putting yourself in their spot. How would you feel if you couldn't get into the US? We in North America have it easy compared to the rest of the world. Gas is cheap(er), Abundance of resources, space, and muscle cars! :)

Why would you want to deny someone else that pleasure? Obviously you want them to pay taxes like the rest, but getting a green card is easier said then done.

SheepStar
Nobody is against immigration. We're talking about the millions who flood accross the border illegally. Im talking about enforcing the immigration laws that already exist!!


I just noticed you arent even an american.........LOL Well, I guess you could be, but you dont even live here......:rolleyes:

Maybe once you move out of your parents house up there in Canada, you might relocate down in the good 'ol USA LEGALLY to find work...... and then you may see things in a different light.
 
Resident Loser

Resident Loser

Senior Audioholic
How dumb is this...

masak_aer said:
Weren't your ancestors start as an illegal aliens? What is legal what's illegal? People make laws to protect other people. Humanity? Ever heard of that? Laws against humanity? It has been a nasty fight all along. You come to U.S. Land and kicked out the Indians that have LONG LONG been here before you! Is that legal to present laws? Is it the humane? Where do you put them now? Reservations? Didn't also name places where you it is illegal to cut down trees and animals as reservations? How can you degrade humans dignity so low?

People have rights and that is to live a better life. It is of human nature. I am not saying coming into U.S. illegaly is the right way. I am just saying politics in a country won't change overnight. Even if it changes, do you think the "common" folks will know the difference overnight? They have kids and they have hopes that their generation after live a better life and not to wait on an uncertain politics.

Sending them home isn't an easy tasks. By the way, how much do we lose on these illegal immigrants? Do we gain anything at all? If you are so afraid losing your tax money, isn't it easier to deny them healthcare and other government supported programs rather than sending them straight home? Have them pay taxes and pay health/life insurance! Have them repay most of or even all of their back taxes! Have them properly fill out the paper work and let them back to work...Don't any of the left wing liberals benefitted in some sorts from these "illegal" immigrants? I mean common just because you were born after the first generation when they pushed out the Indians it gives you every rights to kicked out those that have been not so fortunate as you are.

Am I attacking a certain group of people now? Am I gonna get banned? I have been reading along this time on this illegal aliens thing but i can't help but chime in on how some folks can be so mean in denying others attempt for better life. I am sorry but I feel this must be said anyhow. Politics is B.S. to me, if you are on their side, you are their friends but they can turn against you in an instant. They fight in the courts and the meetings but they have lunch together at the cafetarias shaking hands and holding shoulders. One way or another, there's no right or wrong in their eyes. What matters is, who holds the most chair, they are the one who rule.:(
This country is 100% immigrant save for the Native Americans...and chances are they came from somewhere else via the Bering land bridge that once existed...

No one has a problem with immigrants...legal ones that is...Late 19th/early20th century arrivals were documented and processed...they needed a sponsor or the promise of a job...if they were ill they were either quarantined or given a return trip from whence they came...they came in the light of day, aboard ships and paid their dues...they were proud to come to America and over the years learned English and tried to meld into the general population...

Now they sneak in and then have the gall to demand some sort of legal status...and some of them are sick...and some of them are simply a drain on the resources due to bona-fide citizens...they exist in the much the same squalor they lived in from wherever they came from...they expect their native tongue to be acceptable...you don't demand what you have not earned...No one has the right to break the laws of the US...

I think, given the times, we need to stop immigration...legal and otherwise...we are undergoing the Balkanization of America...

jimHJJ(...I'm amazed at some of the absolutely insipid responses to this thread...)
 
JoeE SP9

JoeE SP9

Senior Audioholic
Lets build that highway from Mexico to Canada and send all those illegals right on through to Canada. We could even provide busses.:rolleyes:
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
LOL...

Ya know...
The way our 'antique' media keeps harping on how critical the unskilled illegal alien workforce is to the american economy, you'd think mexico should be an economic powerhouse too.

Mexico is a large country with two coasts, it's rich in national resources, they have a large willing & able workforce, and they have everything they need to become a wealthy nation. If only they had a good government, they'd be set.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
I just noticed you arent even an american.........LOL Well, I guess you could be, but you dont even live here......
I am NORTH American ;) (Swedish and Canadian)

Maybe once you move out of your parents house up there in Canada, you might relocate down in the good 'ol USA LEGALLY to find work...... and then you may see things in a different light.
Not Bloody likely, I like it in Canada. :D

SheepStar
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
As I said earlier on this thread up here the fed's would give them welfare assistance and shelter so fast it would make your head spin.As SHEEP stated CANADA is so vast and empty we'd give them there own province up north somewhere.:D
 
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Buckeye_Nut

Audioholic Field Marshall
billy p said:
As I said earlier on this thread up here the fed's would give them welfare assistance and shelter so fast it would make your head spin.As SHEEP stated CANADA is so vast and empty we'd give them there own province up north somewhere.:D
Yep, except Canada would probably separate them & lump them together in ethnicly divided burroughs to appease the population, much like france has done with their muslim immigrant population. (rather than encouraging the 'melting pot' approach like the USA)

Look how well that government policy has worked for them:eek:
 
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Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
Resident Loser said:
This country is 100% immigrant save for the Native Americans...and chances are they came from somewhere else via the Bering land bridge that once existed...

No one has a problem with immigrants...legal ones that is...Late 19th/early20th century arrivals were documented and processed...they needed a sponsor or the promise of a job...if they were ill they were either quarantined or given a return trip from whence they came...they came in the light of day, aboard ships and paid their dues...they were proud to come to America and over the years learned English and tried to meld into the general population...

Now they sneak in and then have the gall to demand some sort of legal status...and some of them are sick...and some of them are simply a drain on the resources due to bona-fide citizens...they exist in the much the same squalor they lived in from wherever they came from...they expect their native tongue to be acceptable...you don't demand what you have not earned...No one has the right to break the laws of the US...

I think, given the times, we need to stop immigration...legal and otherwise...we are undergoing the Balkanization of America...

jimHJJ(...I'm amazed at some of the absolutely insipid responses to this thread...)

100% agree with RL. Try living in a border town and see if your point of view doesn't change. Right now there are only two functioning emergency rooms in southern Arizona due to the consent wave of illegals coming in.

The country needs to secure it's borders and ports of entry. It's not in spite of Mexicans or Asians or Europeans, it's for the security and well being of the American people which, last I recall, was our governments number one priority.
 
~JC~

~JC~

Audioholic
Canadians are like your little brother. You love him, but sometimes you just want to slap the sh*t out of him. And I mean that in the truest big brotherly sense, that has been the hallmark of US-Canadian relations for almost ever.

There are so many outright rediculous points in this thread, that it would take too long to address them all. "How can you deny them the right to a better life?" Sophomoric statement of them all. Using this logic, it is now the responsibility of the US to seek out all individuals throughout the earth that have a lesser lifestyle, (say for example, the Iraqis, who are stuck in the bronze age) and bring them here so that we can provide for them a better life through free healthcare, welfare and education.

Most of the inhabitants of the country 200yrs ago were immigrants. Of course they were, 200ys ago, most of the inhabitants of canada were bears. While it took immigrants to poulate the country initially, it no longer needs them, we can sustain our population needs internally, thank you for your offer.

I applaude the liberals for their generosity of heart. I pray for the enhancement of their brains before we all go broke.

I guess I have missed the history of this board, I think this is an excellent thread. You ban people for this??
 
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Craig234

Audioholic
Compromise

There are so many outright rediculous points in this thread, that it would take too long to address them all.
We need look no further than your post:

"How can you deny them the right to a better life?" Sophomoric statement of them all. Using this logic, it is now the responsibility of the US to seek out all individuals throughout the earth that have a lesser lifestyle, (say for example, the Iraqis, who are stuck in the bronze age) and bring them here so that we can provide for them a better life through free healthcare, welfare and education.
Your absurd manichean view is just nonsense. Under your logic, we'd better end all charitable foreign aid, all UN programs, all assistance and the Peace Corps, because any of those activities obligates us to do the complete elimination of all problems in the world as you said. Ridiculous.

The truth is that it's our erring in the other direction that is our problem most of the time. Our 'wanting it all on our terms' happens too much.

I already mentioned an example of history directly in Mexico for our own interests at their expense, but let's look at some others. Go back to the 1840's if you like and ask which of our principles respecting the right to self-determination we were expressing when we sent gunboats to Tokyo to tell them 'open up to our markets or die'. Which at the end of the century when we overthrew the government in Hawaaii to dominate it.

When the Iranians wanted to get a fair price for their own oil, the natural result of a democratic leader coming to power and representing the people, our response was not to pay a fair price, but to end democracy in Iran and put in a dictator, creating a brutal police force for him for killing and torturing. I've heard there's been some 'blowback' from that (the term was actually invented by the CIA for that incident).

When Chile elected a leader who wasn't a pawn of our corporations, Nixon ordered him gone. Elected Allende dead, dictator Pinochet in.

Similar for Nicaragua when they overthrew the dictator Somoza family who were 'our boys'; we trained, funded and sent terrorists to kill people, destroy their infrastructure, and terrorize the population into our ultimatum to vote out Ortega, even while we said Ortega would not respect the election if he did not win (he left office peacefully).

When the Venezuelans had the same thing as Iran, we tried the same result, only this time the Venezuelans reversed the coup.

When Ho Chi Minh came to use and said all he wanted was to be free of being a colony and asked our help because he liked our constitution so much - he wanted rid of the French, then the Japanese in WWII, then the French yet again after WWII - we put our ties to the French ahead of principle and told him no. That cost us a bit, too.

A century ago, when our ally Columbia, who we had supported against some rebels wanting to form an independant country Panama, told us we could not build the canal we wanted - we sent the troops in and told them that now, there would be a Panama, who of course was happy to give us the land.

You get the idea. We've had some problems where we are not exactly 'fair' and 'compromising' and living up to our principles in respecting other nations.

We've also done huge good at times. Which do we want to do now? Well, we can try to do *something* to help the situation in Mexico so that they become a more prosperous nation and have less need to get our jobs and drag down our wages, which is even in the long term interest of our corporations, even if in the short term cheap labor is nice - or we can be short sighted as your post suggests and leave the problems.

If the latter, we'll see other problems, as we already do from 10% of Mexico's population being in our borders, to their high susceptibility to drug trafficers.

Why don't we instead do what's both morally nice, and very practical and in pretty much everyone's long term interest?
 
~JC~

~JC~

Audioholic
charitable foreign aid, all UN programs, all assistance and the Peace Corps,

Your above examples relate to charitable programs, not government sponsored, tax supported programs. I think that if you want to put up aliens at your house and pay for their food, education and clothing, medical care, you should be allowed to do it. Just don't ask me for tax dollars. My schools are poor and we can't even begin to keep up with the educational bar of the Japanese. I don't have extra tax dollars for food stamps for illegals.

I am perhaps misreading you, but I'm getting that your premise is, because we have behaved badly in history, that we now owe it to the children of those people to let them in here and take care of them.
 
Matt34

Matt34

Moderator
I do not think JC is saying we should not help Mexico but that we should not be burden with their problems. Having a government that "encourages" its own people to jump the border is not going to solve anything. Fox and the rest of the Mexican government needs to be held accountable and man up to the problem, perferable step down and get someone in there that will clean house.

They are plenty of ways for us to help, I just do not see dishing out free social services as one of them.
 
~JC~

~JC~

Audioholic
Correct

They are plenty of ways for us to help, I just do not see dishing out free social services as one of them.

Very true, and unfortunately, the reality of life. It is certainly a wonderful, heartfelt expression of humanity to try and help the less fortunate of the world, but the reality is that resources are limited, and help needs to be rationed according to realistic ability to help. I make more (as most of you do)than >95% of the people on the planet, should I take 95% of my income and send it overseas, of course not, I would not be able to survive. Can we as a society continue to fund the ever increasing entitlement programs? No. We simply can't survive, what good would that do? You can't pump 10mil people a year into the welfare, school, healthcare system and expect us to continue to be just fine. The sheer impact on auto insurance would be enough to bankrupt the nation. Not in the real world, anyway. But I do appreciate that it would be nice if we could.
 
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cyberbri

Banned
How many legal immigrants does the US allow a year, on visas, etc.? And how many of those slots are reserved for Mexico/Mexicans? Does anyone know? I'd like to know.


And how many of you who know/married "immigrants" did your "paperwork" with that person outside the country? How many after that person was in the country on some sort of visa, then you applied to change the status? My wife is Korean (nationality) and from Japan (born and raised in Japan, has Japanese green card). She came into the country on a student visa, we got married, and we applied to change her status while she was here. Would that be jumping to the front of the line? I can't imagine trying to apply and get in from outside the US...
 
FierceTIMbo17

FierceTIMbo17

Audioholic
gmichael said:
There was an article in our local paper the other day. It seems that the illegal aliens in our area have it very hard. They were complaining about how hard it is to go out in public knowing that they could be picked up by the police at any time. It's just too in cruel for anyone to have to live in this kind of fear. And they had their pictures on the front page. The article was titled, "Immigrants live in fear." So sorry, my wife is an immigrant. She doesn't live in fear at all. Know why? We followed the rules. It's only the illegal immigrants that live in fear. Anyone breaking the law should live in fear. Am I missing something?
I've got to remember to change my subscription.
Thats makes no sense to me, maybe it is just me but if you were that afraid why would you pose for a picture in the newspaper publicaly advertising your and illegal immigrant? that is just done right silly lol
 
billy p

billy p

Audioholic Ninja
So you're sure all of them are illegal?? I 'D THINK NOT! Some might be US citizens BUT YOU NEVER ...?:eek:
 
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bpape

Audioholic Chief
The thing that is forgotten is the fact that we, as American citizens have rights. If you 'fill out the paperwork' and enter the country legally, you are entitled to some of those rights.

IMO, if you just want to skip up north, make a better living (no prob with that part), but then turn around and send all the cash back to Mexico (taking it away from OUR econonmy - but then expect to have all the rights and privs of a citizen, sorry but that's a crock.

If the illegal immigrant population is so critical to our economy, then there is something fundamentally wrong and we need to fix it. When we have 5% of our population unemployed, there is a problem with this. Part of the reason that 5% ARE unemployed is that there are too many undocumented/illegal/whatever workers who will do the job for less. How about instead of allowing this, we took the same money being spent for their support and 'rights' and pay some of our out of work citizens and legal immigrants to help fix our roads, fix our schools, etc.

I have no problem with legal immigrants. Whether they want to become citizens or be here on legal work visas, that's fine either way. BUT, we need to have the right to control HOW MANY are here - ESPECIALLY if we're providing them with healthcare and other assistance. If we're not going to do anything serious to control this, then why spend ANY money to do ANYTHING to stop ANYONE coming into this country? The money would be better spent elsewhere.

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Bryan
 
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rr2465

Junior Audioholic
What do you suggest?

Craig234 said:
, Why don't we instead do what's both morally nice, and very practical and in pretty much everyone's long term interest?
Sorry if I missed it, but what exactly are you suggesting? Opening the borders to everybody and allowing the social structures in the border states to handle it all without help from the feds?
 
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