Genesis Reunion

[gene]

There seems to be a general sense of rage in the prog community over this tour. There are claims that the ticket prices are outrageous (I don't really know if this holds true or not), the set list sucks, etc... and especially over the absence of Gabriel and Hackett.
I can't see inside the band members' brains, but it doesn't seem to be a "just for fun" tour if indeed the prices are so high (especially in large venues), and coinciding with yet another re-release of previously remastered existing music (I own many of their "definite remastered collection" cds that don't seem to be very definitive anymore).
Having said all that, I am for one curious to see them, especially if Thompson and Stuermer are part of the tour. Yes, I'd rather see the classic lineup, but that seems to be more and more unlikely to happen. So I hope I can get affordable tickets if and when the tour hits Chicago.
I promise not to boo at "Illegal Alien" and the likes.
Somebody at a prog web page suggested Gabriel and Hackett should recruit Bruford and the other Mr. Banks and form a band called "Revelation", that would be cool too, don't you think?

Bands don't set ticket prices, Ticketmaster does I can't see their tickets being any more expensive then other performers especially the likes of Barbara Streisand.

The new releases will all be in multi channel SACD and IMO its worth the repurchase to experience this, at least on the albums you like best.

People will always whine. I suppose they would just prefer no reunion tour at all. Tony and Phil made it clear they will be playing old songs and it seems they are all taking rehearsals very seriously. They have a lot to live up to and they know it. I wish them the best and hope it eventually lands them in the Rock Hall of Fame where they so rightfully deserve to be.

My song predictions:
Turn it On Again
Land of Confusion
Invisible Touch
No Son of Mine
Driving the Last Spike
Fading Lights
Domino
Abacab
Home by the Sea
Carpet Crawlers
Cinema Show
Own Special Way
In the Cage
Firth or Fifth
Los Endos

 

[johndoe]

I don't know about ticket prices or who sets them, I was just relaying what I read on some prog site. Don't performers have any say on that regard? I guess not, you can't ask somebody to make less money just because you just want to have fun. They're gonna sell out every one of their concerts whether the "classic" genesis fans like it or not.

Agree 100% on your 3rd paragraph.

Progheads are claiming "No Gabriel, no Hackett = no Genesis" and worse. As if the non-prog genesis fans don't count.

btw, is PG in the Hall of Fame? If Genesis is finally inducted, will they induct the "classic" lineup or the one that sold gazillions of records?

Gene, if your set list prediction is right I'm not sure I want to see them. I'm a moderate proggy.

It would be cool if Bruford plays on a couple of shows, but that also is not going to happen since him and Collins seem to be estranged these days over some typical BB's sour remarks.

 

[gene]

Gene, if your set list prediction is right I'm not sure I want to see them. I'm a moderate proggy.

Ah come on, you don't want to see In the Cage, Cinema Show or Firth or Fifth live again?

Of course I am only speculating on their more popular long songs. They could surprise us and do stuff from Nursery Crime or Foxtrot but I doubt it.

It would be cool if Bruford plays on a couple of shows, but that also is not going to happen since him and Collins seem to be estranged these days over some typical BB's sour remarks.

I have heard from several sources first hand (Roadies and ex musicians that worked with him) that Bruford is arrogant and hard to work with, so I am not surprised of bitterness between him and Collins. Also, IMO Bruford has really sucked as a drummer since the early 90s. He does mostly procussion and electric drums now. Last time I saw him tour with Yes, Alan White did most of the real drumming while he just sat around tapping background effects. He is definately not the Bill Bruford of the UK or early Yes years IMO.

 

[genesis471]

Gene,

nice write up on the editorial!

JohnDoe,

Relax man, Genesis aren't going to charge an arm and a leg, as Gene said, it should be in the same range as any other decent band that isn't out to rip there fans off. Also, Phil, Mike, and Tony could of retired long ago and I guarantee they don't need the money. They are far to smart with there money and have tons of it + some very nice investments they all own.
I too would of love to see a rendition of the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway with the classic 5, but let's get realistic! It's Gabriel that is the roadblock... tell all of the people over at your prog forum to give the rest of the G-men a break because it's out of there control to whether PG will join if ever. My suggestion is to have all of those people use there energy and write PG and ask him to rejoin Genesis instead of blowing off energy pissing and moaning about it not being the classic 5.

I like your setlist Gene but I have a feeling we are in for a bit more of a surprise. Like you say, they have been taking rehearsals seriously and want to put together a show that is well balanced, playing some of the radio stuff but playing some of the stuff that has lots of depth - which will shock a ton of folks who never knew they had so much depth in there catalog.

Off my horse now! Can't wait for the tour in the US, can't wait for the 5.1's.. speaking of which, these are complete REMIXES from the original multi track recordings and NOT remastered. They will also be including the extra's that never fit on an album. They should be SACD and DVD (DTS sound) 2 disc sets at what is said to be priced reasonably.

Mike

 

[gene]

Off my horse now! Can't wait for the tour in the US, can't wait for the 5.1's.. speaking of which, these are complete REMIXES from the original multi track recordings and NOT remastered. They will also be including the extra's that never fit on an album. They should be SACD and DVD (DTS sound) 2 disc sets at what is said to be priced reasonably.

Wow I am excited. I attempted to email the Genesis webmaster to request review samples so I could have reviews completed for all the SACD discs before they are releases but I haven't heard back. I wish I had a direct email addy to the band

 

[johndoe]

Wow I am excited. I attempted to email the Genesis webmaster to request review samples so I could have reviews completed for all the SACD discs before they are releases but I haven't heard back. I wish I had a direct email addy to the band

If you get them, are you going to put them up for contest giveaway prizes? Pleeeease?

I agree with the statement that BB is an arrogant SOB. From the interviews I've read, he seems to be a sour, arrogant, angry, and snooty. I disagree about his diminishing drumming abilities, just listen to King Crimson THRAK, from 1996 (his last studio album with KC). He is almost exclusively playing jazz nowadays, and gave up all electronic drums. A good barometer is the fact that Tony Levin and Adrian Belew have him in very high regard.

 

[gene]

I disagree about his diminishing drumming abilities, just listen to King Crimson THRAK, from 1996 (his last studio album with KC). He is almost exclusively playing jazz nowadays, and gave up all electronic drums. A good barometer is the fact that Tony Levin and Adrian Belew have him in very high regard.

I have a recent King Crimson DVD and that piece of sh*t drummer Pat Mastelotto almost ruined the whole concert. Sadly he did most of the drumming while Bill did percussion. Why they ever brought Pat on board, I will never know. Its like having Tony Kaye play keyboards for Yes. Total waste and talent lacking for such great musicians surrounding them.

Anyways, I wasn't impressed at all with Bill's drumming on that concert. I haven't heard his jazz stuff but if its anything like what he did back in the band UK, I bet its superb. He used to be one of my favorite drummers and until I can find recent work he has done that wow's me, my opinion of him remains rather low at this time.

PS. Tony Levin is one of my favorite bass players. He rocks and is superb when paired up with Peter Gabriel and David Rhodes. You wanna hear some superb drumming? Pick up Peter Gabriel's Secret World Concert DVD and listen to the drums of Manu Katché. Amazing! Paula Cole on backing vocals is great and she's a total babe

 

[genesis471]

If you get them, are you going to put them up for contest giveaway prizes? Pleeeease?

I agree with the statement that BB is an arrogant SOB. From the interviews I've read, he seems to be a sour, arrogant, angry, and snooty. I disagree about his diminishing drumming abilities, just listen to King Crimson THRAK, from 1996 (his last studio album with KC). He is almost exclusively playing jazz nowadays, and gave up all electronic drums. A good barometer is the fact that Tony Levin and Adrian Belew have him in very high regard.

Agree with you on this too! I think Collins didn't care much for the chemistry, or lack there of, during '76 because Bruford wanted to expand or improvise some but Genesis stricktly doesn't do this!

 

[genesis471]

Wow I am excited. I attempted to email the Genesis webmaster to request review samples so I could have reviews completed for all the SACD discs before they are releases but I haven't heard back. I wish I had a direct email addy to the band

I can probably get you an email!

Give me a day or two!

Mike

 

[genesis471]

Take a look at this!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-ITEM-GENESIS-TURN-IT-ON-AGAIN-TOUR-PROMO- CD_W0QQitemZ130045204455QQihZ003QQcategoryZ1573QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Damn expensive already! Not sure if the track listing will represent some of what's in the setlist, but if it is I'm going to pee myself!

We shall see!

 

[gene]

Take a look at this!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-ITEM-GENE...em130045204455

Damn expensive already! Not sure if the track listing will represent some of what's in the setlist, but if it is I'm going to pee myself!

We shall see!

seems fishy to me. How could they have completed it already as they just started rehearsing?

 

[johndoe]

I have a recent King Crimson DVD and that piece of sh*t drummer Pat Mastelotto almost ruined the whole concert. Sadly he did most of the drumming while Bill did percussion. Why they ever brought Pat on board, I will never know.

I thought the same about Mastellotto untill the latest album "The Power to Believe", do yourself a favor and give it a chance, it's up there with anything KC did before. I can't believe Bruford is not even in the lineup.

Anyways, I wasn't impressed at all with Bill's drumming on that concert. I haven't heard his jazz stuff but if its anything like what he did back in the band UK, I bet its superb. He used to be one of my favorite drummers and until I can find recent work he has done that wow's me, my opinion of him remains rather low at this time.

He claims that he injured his right hand pretty badly during that tour and he was in excrutiating pain for the second half of it. He was in physical therapy for a couple of months when the tour was over. I need to get some of his recent material and report on it.

PS. Tony Levin is one of my favorite bass players. He rocks and is superb when paired up with Peter Gabriel and David Rhodes. You wanna hear some superb drumming? Pick up Peter Gabriel's Secret World Concert DVD and listen to the drums of Manu Katché. Amazing! Paula Cole on backing vocals is great and she's a total babe

Tony Levin is an amazing musician. He rocks when he's paired up with anyone who can keep up with him. I don't have the DVD, but I do have the double CD and I saw the concert live back then. PG is a first class musician that surrounds himself with nothing but the same. Gabriel was dating Sinead O'Connor back then and she was doing backing vocals, she's as good a singer as she is crazy. I heard that she walked out of PG in the middle of the tour over some prank involving an inflatable doll that she didn't find funny at all. If somebody can confirm or deny this, I'm curious.

seems fishy to me. How could they have completed it already as they just started rehearsing?

It's a promo, it might as well be old studio material, old live material, rehearsal stuff...

 

[gene]

I heard that she walked out of PG in the middle of the tour over some prank involving an inflatable doll that she didn't find funny at all. If somebody can confirm or deny this, I'm curious.

IMO Paula Cole has a better voice and is much better looking. Seems like he made a good upgrade for the tour when he replaced Sinead

As Phil Hartman once said as he portrayed Frank Sinatra on SNL:
Next issue: the bald chick. What's with her hair? How about it, cueball? I'm lookin' at you and thinkin' "fourteen in the side pocket."

 

[sivadselim]

I have a recent King Crimson DVD and that piece of sh*t drummer Pat Mastelotto almost ruined the whole concert.

LOL. You REALLY dislike that guy, don't you? You've ragged on him here before. I'll just say again that I disagree with you.

 

[dobyblue]

PS. Tony Levin is one of my favorite bass players.

He and Greg Howard are even more amazing when they pick up the Chapman Stick.
http://www.eyeoncville.com/005/005vid00.htm
^ That's a link to Greg playing at Millers in Charlottesville. Amazing stuff.

The Genesis SACDs should be awesome. I like discs from all three of the eras that they'll be releasing.

Doesn't it seem like they could be doing two reunion tours, with the PG-era discs coming out in 2008 when Gabriel will be free to do something.

To coincide with the Genesis tour, EMI Records will be re-issuing 14 Genesis studio albums in three stages during 2007. All the releases will be SACD/DVD double disc sets featuring newly re-mastered 5.1 surround sound and stereo mixes. The release schedule is as follows:

March 2007: A Trick Of The Tail (1976), Wind & Wuthering (1977), …And Then There Were Three…(1978), Duke (1980) Abacab (1981)

June/July 2007: Genesis(1983), Invisible Touch(1986), We Can't Dance (1991), Calling All Stations(1997)

Late 2007/Early 2008: Trespass (1970), Nursery Cryme (1971), Foxtrot (1972 ), Selling England By The Pound (1973), The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway(1974)

 

[johndoe]

IMO Paula Cole has a better voice and is much better looking. Seems like he made a good upgrade for the tour when he replaced Sinead [/I]

I find them both quite easy on the eyes and wouldn't mind either of them doing backing vocals any day of the week Sinead has the disadvantage of being a total nutcase.
Are you sure Cole replaced O'Connor? I need to compare the date when I saw the concert vs the recording of the CD.

 

[gene]

Are you sure Cole replaced O'Connor? I need to compare the date when I saw the concert vs the recording of the CD.

Paula Cole is on the Secret World Concert DVD and she is simply amazing.

 

[johndoe]

Paula Cole is on the Secret World Concert DVD and she is simply amazing.

What I meant is that I don't know who replaced whom. I don't remember if the show I saw in Mexico City was before or after the ones recorded in Modena... I'll go check...

I was just on PG's website looking it up. The tour visited Europe first and the Americas last.

Add this to the growing list of useless factoids

 

[gene]

LOL. You REALLY dislike that guy, don't you? You've ragged on him here before. I'll just say again that I disagree with you.

Yea he was absolutely terrible on the King Crimson Deja Vroom DVD. He made so many timing errors and was just plain sloppy. I felt embarrased for the other musicians that had to bear with it during the performance and this is certainly NOT a show I would demo to people who never heard King Crimson music before.

 

[genesis471]

seems fishy to me. How could they have completed it already as they just started rehearsing?

Not a live cd, it's a short compilation of the 5.1's that were remixed. Dvd is the format.

Also, I have just learned that it looks like the 5.1's that are due to be released in 3 batch's, are actually going to be box sets.
So:
Trick of the Tail
Wind & Wuthering
..And then there were three
Duke
Abacab
Plus a bonus disc with extra tracks etc.

Above stuff all in one package! And I believe they are all to be SACD and DVD sets so it fits anyones hardware. The SACD's will be hybrid also.
Now, the US market I'm sure is yet to be determined on the format, go figure!
I will be importing them if the US market does anything different then the SACD/DVD package!

Mike