""FORBIDDEN TERRITORY""

[mulester7]

.....Mac, that is correct....the only thing that has been done abnormally is to cross the plus and minus two-sided speaker-wire of ONE woofer of two sharing common air space, at either the terminals of the receiver, or at the woofer....the rest of you NEANDERTHALS that gave comment, lean close....when someone tells you it's five o'clock, look at your wristwatches....one yellow mouse-glove will be on 5, and the other yellow mouse-glove will be on 12.....did everyone get that about the two-story house?....Resident Loser, when I saw what you came up with, mono, I saw in my mind a large creme pie hitting you in the face...

 

[MacManNM]

Ok then. Well the amp is going to run substantially cooler; it is only doing roughly ½ the work now. The power handling ability of your speakers has now gone way down. There is also going to be much less bass output when you drive the speakers hard. They are going to tend to bottom out. As far as any electrical changes, this will not affect the amp or crossover circuit in any way. You haven’t changed the inductance, resistance or capacitance at all. This configuration will tend to increase the excursion of the woofers.
I wouldn’t recommend running too much in this configuration, you may well rip the spiders off of the woofers.

 

[mulester7]

.....and Clint does a very good job here....we've all got bills to pay.....

 

[mulester7]

.....correct, correct, correct, correct, and correct....great job, Mac....not to worry about the spiders on the woofer....I'm totally flat tone-control-wise....the presence is beautiful....day 5....grain scoop at hand......

 

[Audioholics]

This is an option for speaker design (subs, in particular), but assuming you have a loudspeaker that was designed to a spec, you likely just made mush out of the overall frequency response by altering the design. You have a full range speaker that has drivers that are now firing... lean close... both in and out of phase at the same time.

Can you measure it to see the effects of what you've done?

My guess is it now sounds slightly less wonderful than your Bose 901s.

And yes, it might run a tad cooler - but I don't typically measure the success of my system using that particular metric.

And using punctuation does not mean replacing "..." with carriage returns. Try talking in complete sentences or let us know if you are a paraplegic typing with your mouth so we can at least dredge up some compassion for your apparent madness.

 

[mulester7]

.....Clint, great last line....you sharp....yes, I can measure the effects of cross-wiring my back two speakers with two instruments that came from the factory....how could any individual element of full-range speakers fire both directions from only reverse flow of current?....my subs are cross-wired and only emit from a common front facing door....they don't occupy closed air together, either....5 days and counting....presence change that compliments the fronts....BUT!!....you must have variable attenuation to each speaker to localize....individual L-Pads now come back into the picture for surround recreiver owners probably....am typing this post on Danny's second computer station....yeah, cable....will post one tonight on Bose and close some doors....going to look at Danny's wirings on his surround 7.1 receiver that he paid about 1200 for....hang with me, Clint, Mama still says I'm worth it....although Great-Grandpa agrees with a grain of salt.....

 

[mulester7]

.....Resident Loser, I can't tell you how many times friends have EXPLODED into laughter when I postulated verbally half-cocked....yes, I felt like I was wiping creme pie filling out of mine eyes for hours....shake?....now I'm gone.......

 

[Audioholics]

how could any individual element of full-range speakers fire both directions from only reverse flow of current?

You are avoiding my question. You have wired a driver out of phase. I am assuming there is another matching driver that is in-phase.

We don't know for sure, because you cryptically refer to them as "Bob's speakers".

You really are wasting everyone's time here.

 

[sts9fan]

nothing to say

Mu-lester has nothing to say except bull$&!%.
He claimed to have McIntosh amps he was selling but when someone asked him how much he backed down like someone who is full of crap.
Also I really think he amuses himself more then anyone else. He adds nothing constructive or insightful to any threads. I never thought it would be nessecary on an audio board but how about adding an "ignore user" option admins?

 

[jaxvon]

I think that option is already in place.

 

[Audioholics]

Go into you UserCP and set it to ignore him. I'm having a dilemma because I never banned anyone before for being "annoying" but he seems to be filling our forums with nonsensical garbage.

If someone came into your house and started speaking in nothing but tongues - eventually you get tired and show him the door.

You... getting... this...?

 

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

I never thought it would be nessecary on an audio board but how about adding an "ignore user" option admins?

You're taking the mad ramblings of a mad rambler (for Cthulhu's sake, he even had the rank of "Spambot" assigned to him) far too much to heart. just give it no more mind that you would to one of those plastic singing fish, and forget about it.

 

[mulester7]

.....(note hanging on a tree addressed to the lynch-mob).....

Sheriff Clint,
I can't believe a one of you guys didn't tell me I simply have the two speakers wired in series, one-deep, on each side of the amp. Gone fishing.
affectionately, mule

 

[Audioholics]

That's likely because your description sounds more like you wired a driver out of phase. Most of us don't speak alien stutter very well.

 

[mulester7]

.....sorry for the alien, Clint, seriously....I noticed you are in South Carolina....if you're anywhere close to Charleston, I advise you to go to Sticky Fingers, a rib establishment, and get ready to walk out bent over....I meant what I said starting the Bose link, but Bose could care less what is said here, or anywhere.....

 

[slmcdonald7]

.....(note hanging on a tree addressed to the lynch-mob).....

Sheriff Clint,
I can't believe a one of you guys didn't tell me I simply have the two speakers wired in series, one-deep, on each side of the amp. Gone fishing.
affectionately, mule

Mulester7,
Not that it matters, but I think you're hilarious. Keep up the good work.

 

[mulester7]

By cross wiring do you mean switching the polarity on a woofer in a box with more than one woofer, so that the two are out of phase?

.....yes, Mac, that is correct, and sorry, I don't know how I missed this one.....

 

[mulester7]

.....Guys, here it is, a final sumnation on having rears wired in series from a slave amp for six days.....

....you can put out-of-phase rears on a 4.2 system and bring your mains to life....you have to be able to vary the volume of the rears, individually, for localizing a favorite chair or position on a couch though, along with the same requirements of the mains....a home slave amp almost invariably has gains, so you're home on the rears, but if you are using a surround receiver for mains, and sucure a slave amp for the rears and the mains are overpowering the rears, which they probably won't be, you can L-pad down the mains for about 10 bucks....guys, what I'm listening to came to life....these mains took on a different presence and rose up, I can't say it any simpler....I notice the biggest difference in the voices singing....what really made things get scary, was when I crossed the inputs to the rear amp last night, and suddenly had stuff jumping out at me and whizzing by me I kid you not with the rears cross-firing the left and right stereo to the mains....all kidding, jokes, and humor aside, you need to hear this....when you click the subs into the mix tastefully with no phases being stepped on, I don't see how it could sound much better in a home theater localized zone....dead serious on this one....thanks, Clint....

 

[cbraver]

Go here:

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/research/r_mla.html

Specifically:
http://owl.english.purdue.edu/handouts/grammar/index.html

Learn how to write. This is really starting to urke me.

-Chad

 

[mulester7]

.....Cbraver, if we were sitting talking in person, it would be easier to understand....please specify sections of the last one you would like me to take another run at....if you post the quote of the whole thing, I would be wasting my time....