""FORBIDDEN TERRITORY""

[Buckeyefan 1]

Mule, instead of "...", just end the sentence with a "." period.

Then start the next sentence with a capital letter. Talk about run on sentences - it's very confusing to read that way.

 

[mulester7]

.....anyone....can you, for sure, run a slave amp off a surround receiver to push mains?....can you take the non-amplified signals left and right, out of the surround receiver to send to the amp inputs using rca pin-jacks?....I am wasting everyone's time if you can't....

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

If the surround receiver has pre outs, you should be able to run mains off of a "non" pre amp amplifier.

 

[anamorphic96]

.....anyone....can you, for sure, run a slave amp off a surround receiver to push mains?....can you take the non-amplified signals left and right, out of the surround receiver to send to the amp inputs using rca pin-jacks?....I am wasting everyone's time if you can't....

Yes there called pre outs.

 

[mulester7]

.....Buck, my friend, Clint also said the problem was between the dots of telegraph-style and I didn't listen....as usual....Buck, I will talk out loud as I type....that slows the brain down and makes it more like we were sitting together sipping coffee....someone please answer the last post/question....

 

[anamorphic96]

I just did mule use the left and right pre outs on the receiver.

 

[mulester7]

.....guys, it takes me forever to move around in this site, still....thanks, all, for the varification of left and right Pre-Out....take it with rca pin-jacks from right there to the amp....choose a pair of your surrounds to use with the amp...any surrounds, and take the speaker wire off the receiver where the chosen pair are connected....connect it to the stereo slave amp but CROSS the plus and minus wires as you connect it to the amp posts....make SURE you have it correct....cross the left and right signal inputs to the amp as well....the four speakers will form an X with left and right channels....adjust the volume of the surround pair chosen with the gains/volume knobs on the slave amp....if the mains are too loud with the gains on the surround's amp all the way up, go to radio shack and ask for a stereo L-Pad that is rated at 100 watts....ask the salesman to tell you how to use it for turning a pair of speakers down....that's if your mains are too loud....this is just something to try to bring your mains to life....and I can only say it worked on mine....this finding is really neat to me, and I wish others would experience it and see what they get with their speakers....the reversing of excursion movement has nothing to do with it....that would be a spec on a yardstick....the surround speakers, twice-efficient, accomplish this task....hey, just food for thought....no jokes tonight....I am somber as I listen.....no proofread....yawn....shoot, been up since noon....truth......

 

[zumbo]

I think I'm getting it.
Are you French?
Or Cajun?

 

[cbraver]

I can't even attempt to read that. Just looking at it gives me a headache.

What's so hard about using sentances?

 

[zumbo]

What are we crossing?
If I take a 2-channel amp and connect the (+) from the speaker to the (-) on the amp, and the (-) from the speaker to the (+) on the amp, the speaker will be out of phase.
Switching the (R) and (L) inputs doesn't have anything to do with the (+) and (-).

 

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, do yourself a favor, especially with any components that will record, and pull out the book that came with it, and learn what EVERY, button on that remote will do, and your options will increase, as you play like a child, in MusicAndVideoLand....aaahh yes, in a position disallowing your rectum to breathe punching buttons....do any of ya'll have a favorite cushion on that couch that stinks for an hour when you vibrate the springs and giggle?.....my cushion's a time bomb some nights just waiting for me to get up and pull the pin, haha....I really don't think I need to cross-wire the mains....might be too much honey....but my thought, there can never be too much honey, spurs me on in wonderment....come the morrow, the cheap mains shall be AB'ed with "presence" the factor....honey everywhere....could be too much, drink a gallon of honey, and see what happens....the ears will decide though, considering they are attached to the human who laid out the snakeskins, your humble servant, mule, Clint....night, all....

.....will be reading a bit if any see my light on and want to holler....no tomatoes thrown, please.....well, no over-ripes anyways.....

 

[mulester7]

......Zumbo, I twist the balance knob on the pre-amp to full right, and I hear the right main/front, and the left rear....I hear the left rear and it is behind me....don't cross both ends of the speaker wire or you have wired it normal....cross it either at the amp, or at the speaker....make SURE of this....not that it would hurt anything either way, but making sure of the wiring will let you hear the effect to the mains and the only way....you can sit four speakers on four corners and cross the left-right configuration of sound, but you still ain't got no magic....

 

[zumbo]

......Zumbo, I twist the balance knob on the pre-amp to full right, and I hear the right main/front, and the left rear....I hear the left rear and it is behind me....don't cross both ends of the speaker wire or you have wired it normal....cross it either at the amp, or at the speaker....make SURE of this....not that it would hurt anything either way, but making sure of the wiring will let you hear the effect to the mains and the only way....you can sit four speakers on four corners and cross the left-right configuration of sound, but you still ain't got no magic....

So, if I have an exploding car is starting towards me at the top-left of my sceen, and it comes towards the bottom right of my screen to lay to rest behind me to the right, my sound would be fu$#+d up. No?

What would be the point of a true surround movie if you changed the right signal with the left? Your idea is a bad one.

And, if I were to change the R/L inputs on the amp with the speakers crossed (meaning the left rear is connected to the right post on the amp and visa-versa), what's the point. Same amp. Same speakers. Same outcome. Just an incorrect connection.

 

[mulester7]

......Zumbo, nothing has changed with your mains....and tell me, these DVD's you can rent now, does the car sound going from right to left go behind you?....mine don't either....some people don't like bologna sandwiches with strawberry preserves, bologna, and bread....some do....with a four foot tall glass of milk right at freezing....someone will try this and report....everyone here may try it and hate it, I don't care....my ears are happy with what I am listening to right now....Gaither DVD....Rocky Mountain Homecoming....another absolute winner of spectacular talent....night, Zumbo, and you know where you're fishing....I'll let the subject lay now, and read 438 posts to come on why it won't work....it seems the way of this board....

 

[Audioholics]

I'll let the subject lay now, and read 438 posts to come on why it won't work....it seems the way of this board....

Well, there might be a good reason for that - only one person (you) really understands exactly what you are saying or proposing. Some think you are talking about swapping L/R, others think you are wiring drivers out of phase, while still others think you are running some kind of series network. Heck, you may have changed topics - who knows.

What most of us do know is that you aren't going to improve a surround system by magically rewiring it - you'll just change it. These systems are designed for a purpose and if you put as much time into speaker placement, room acoustics and actually using a 5.1 receiver for the purpose to which it was intended, I'd think that your head would be exploding with honey.

 

[Resident Loser]

That's rich!!!...

...Resident Loser, when I saw what you came up with, mono, I saw in my mind a large creme pie hitting you in the face...

First you wanna' double-up the Bose EQs for 36dB of bass-boost and then you want to wire your woofers out-of-phase(which is far worse than simply mono-fying it)...and I deserve to be Soupy Sales?!?!?!?!?

You seem to approaching things all bass-ackwards...

jimHJJ(...somebody, quick, get me some shaving cream...)

 

[slmcdonald7]

Learn how to write. This is really starting to urke me.

-Chad

meaning: irk?

I can't even attempt to read that. Just looking at it gives me a headache.

What's so hard about using sentances?

meaning: sentences?


Sweet, sweet irony.

 

[zumbo]

Oh lord. Don't proofread my posts. We will be here a long time.

 

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, let the games of April 28th begin....Clint, I've revised the program of AB experimentation....anyone attempting this regimentation/configuration/experiment with me, lend me your ears....rears being out-of-phase is too far away from the mains....we will have to place the "flavor" speakers, wired in series one-deep, right beside the mains....and the flavor speakers will need to be made variable in volume by gains on the slave amp pushing the flavor speakers....if the volume of the mains is way too loud still compared to the flavor speakers, you'll need to turn down the mains with an L-Pad.....

.....Clint, you use the term, "driver"....I suspect that is a term of the last 15 years, and yes, I've heard it many times....I will refer to an enclosure with speaker elements and a crossover as a "speaker"....the individual elements of a "speaker", I will call woofer, tweeter, and midrange element being either a horn-mid, or cone-mid....

.....the pair wired in series configuration needs to be right beside the mains on each side....don't cross the inputs to the amp....you want the right channel playing through the right main AND the right "flavor" speaker sitting beside the right main....same thing on the left....the volume of the "flavor" speakers needs to be variable, and will be, by the gains of the slave amp to the flavor speakers....I cross-wired the mains last night and listened to them with the flavored rears for a couple of hours....too much honey in one way, very nice in another....I feel the best arrangement, for me and mine, is to NOT cross-wire the mains, but bring the flavor speakers closer to the mains....much closer.....

 

[mulester7]

"What most of us do know is that you aren't going to improve a surround system by magically rewiring it - you'll just change it"


.....and what a WONDERFUL change I'm listening to right now....Clint, how they hangin' today, Buddy?....sure hope all is well....