For the love of god or whoever … VOTE!

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davidscott

davidscott

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So I live about 15 miles west of the coast in NE Florida, Maybe Ill have some beachfront property if I live long enough. :)
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
Actually it lowers the water level as if a bathtub is emptying. Everything west drains out the Ohio and Mississippi, and everything east down the St Lawrence and out to the Atlantic.

In time all these lakes will be far shallower, and the rivers will dry up. Being from Michigan this really saddened me. But the good news is that it's taking several hundred thousand more years to get there. But in combination with the receding of Niagara Falls, the eastward drain could empty Erie, which is on average very shallow.
Yes, in a closed system like the great lakes, it goes someplace, out to sea that rises.
I was thinking more like the Antarctica melting, land rises as some of the surrounding underwater masses that increases sea level rise.
 
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that was a magazine article (*time* i think) that the right wing has pulled outta it's rear end as "proof" global warming is "non existent, not man made", or whatever else they want to claim at the moment.. admittedly the article was pretty widely accepted as possible for a while...
I don't know how anyone can say that humans don't affect the climate. Every living organism loses heat to its surroundings, unless the surrounding is warmer. Every fuel burned creates heat, every time something rots, it loses heat and every time someone cooks, they cause heating of the air. Then, there's methane caused by digestion. You know, the thing about cows....The clearcutting of the rain forests doesn't help, either.

Edit- yeah, I know how they can say humans don't affect the climate- ignorance or their agenda.
 
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are tidal conditions being taken into consideration? reading the entire post *lake Michigan* correct?.. there would be run off variables as well ...
The Great Lake elevation variations are meteorological, not tides- gravity of the Sun and Moon account for about 5 centimeters of difference, according to the link. The runoff from storms and storm water sewers runs into the lake because it's naturally lower than the surrounding land mass but also, there's a subcontinental divide not far to the West. The last few years, we have had lots of rain, but not as much ice- the ice alone would have prevented the damage because it would have prevented the waves reaching shore. Lake Michigan's area is more than 22K square miles- according to Wiki, the elevation rose about six feet in 6.5 years after 2013. The whole Great Lakes system needs to be considered, too- all rivers near the lakes lead to them, but there are few major outlets for Lake Michigan; the main ones at the South being the Chicago and Calumet Rivers.

I mentioned some friends whose boat stayed at the damaged yacht club- we took their most recent boat to Sturgeon Bay, WI two years ago and on the way up, it was fairly calm. While we were there, a storm rolled through from the Northeast and it really riled the water. Before we left a few days later, it was choppy on the bay side of the lake, but when we reached the lake, it was rough. We headed back on a Monday and had 4'-6' chop which wasn't too bad, as long as our speed wasn't excessive but it became rougher as the day went on. We stopped for lunch and it was worse and we stopped for dinner in Two Rivers, which isn't terribly far from the previous harbor but it's not protected from the waves. We decided that staying there would make sleep very difficult and the concrete dock would probably beat the crap out of the boat, even though we had tied it with at least 6 lines and placed fenders along the hull. It was dark when we left for Manitowoc and when we reached the lake, we found 6'-9' chop, coming from two directions- good thing we had autopilot because that would have been too much like the three hour tour from Gilligan's Island. It took over an hour to go six miles. I wouldn't have gone along if they still owned their last boat- the one they have now is 38 feet and weighs more than 20,000 lb, so it really wasn't terrible. Dicey, but not frightening. We looked out on the next day and stayed put because the waves had increased to 9'-12'.

For contrast, the two photos show the same white lighthouse at different times- the top is from before the sign went up and all are from inside of the wall, at different angles. They could use the interior of this place for a Steven King movie.

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Here it is with rough water-

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I'll buy that... I've read about some of this in Biographies, but have come to the conclusion that no matter the reason, being on the right side is the important thing.

This is just my personal opinion. People do all manner of things for a plethora if reasons. Some you can understand, others maybe not. But your decision, your choice in the end is what matters.
But there's a difference between being on the right side of history and considered to have been 'on the right side of history'. He was a politician, after all.
 
Trell

Trell

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But there's a difference between being on the right side of history and considered to have been 'on the right side of history'. He was a politician, after all.
You think that all politicians are just like Trump but with better polish? I certainly don't think so.
 
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You think that all politicians are just like Trump but with better polish? I certainly don't think so.
Mythbusters showed that a turd can be polished, but only if it has been frozen. I imagine that the grit of the polish might make a difference but that only works, to a degree.....

Trump really isn't a politician, he's more like a carnival 'barker'.
 
Trell

Trell

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Mythbusters showed that a turd can be polished, but only if it has been frozen. I imagine that the grit of the polish might make a difference but that only works, to a degree.....

Trump really isn't a politician, he's more like a carnival 'barker'.
You must have a very dim view of democracy, indeed.
 
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The Great Lake elevation variations are meteorological, not tides- gravity of the Sun and Moon account for about 5 centimeters of difference, according to the link. The runoff from storms and storm water sewers runs into the lake because it's naturally lower than the surrounding land mass but also, there's a subcontinental divide not far to the West. The last few years, we have had lots of rain, but not as much ice- the ice alone would have prevented the damage because it would have prevented the waves reaching shore. Lake Michigan's area is more than 22K square miles- according to Wiki, the elevation rose about six feet in 6.5 years after 2013. The whole Great Lakes system needs to be considered, too- all rivers near the lakes lead to them, but there are few major outlets for Lake Michigan; the main ones at the South being the Chicago and Calumet Rivers.

I mentioned some friends whose boat stayed at the damaged yacht club- we took their most recent boat to Sturgeon Bay, WI two years ago and on the way up, it was fairly calm. While we were there, a storm rolled through from the Northeast and it really riled the water. Before we left a few days later, it was choppy on the bay side of the lake, but when we reached the lake, it was rough. We headed back on a Monday and had 4'-6' chop which wasn't too bad, as long as our speed wasn't excessive but it became rougher as the day went on. We stopped for lunch and it was worse and we stopped for dinner in Two Rivers, which isn't terribly far from the previous harbor but it's not protected from the waves. We decided that staying there would make sleep very difficult and the concrete dock would probably beat the crap out of the boat, even though we had tied it with at least 6 lines and placed fenders along the hull. It was dark when we left for Manitowoc and when we reached the lake, we found 6'-9' chop, coming from two directions- good thing we had autopilot because that would have been too much like the three hour tour from Gilligan's Island. It took over an hour to go six miles. I wouldn't have gone along if they still owned their last boat- the one they have now is 38 feet and weighs more than 20,000 lb, so it really wasn't terrible. Dicey, but not frightening. We looked out on the next day and stayed put because the waves had increased to 9'-12'.

For contrast, the two photos show the same white lighthouse at different times- the top is from before the sign went up and all are from inside of the wall, at different angles. They could use the interior of this place for a Steven King movie.

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Here it is with rough water-

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gosh , i know the GL's get dicey (Edmund Fitzgerald and all) , that's some kinda crazy .. that must have been quite the experience,, i get sea sick pretty easy(i think it's from my CP) so that trip you went on woulda been a bit much for me i think..those are great pictures of that lighthouse....
 
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Trebdp83

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Perhaps CAREER politician is more accurate. Some of those self promoting pricks ran for Class President every f#%kin' year that they could. They thought they could somehow lead us to our lockers and the restrooms better than we could ourselves. They promised better vending machine food items. They still aren't delivering on their f#%kin' promises. :p
 
Trell

Trell

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Perhaps CAREER politician is more accurate. Some of those self promoting pricks ran for Class President every f#%kin' year that they could. They thought they could somehow lead us to our lockers and the restrooms better than we could ourselves. They promised better vending machine food items. They still aren't delivering on their f#%kin' promises. :p
Some politicians are for sure as what you describe and the same type of persons are more than well represented in business as well.

Some weird reason I don't think A.O.C. falls in that category.
 
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