Electric Vehicles?

[haraldo]

sorry about derailing .....

I watched tons of videos on the Max 8 and ......... the Max 8 crashes had nothing to do with the autopilot, but the MCAS, which was introduced withe the MAX. 8. there was a way to disable MCAS when there is what I think is called "runaway stabilizer", and as far as i know there was already a "runaway stabilizer checklist" even before the MAX 8 was introduced. The way to disable this is by two switches on the console between the seats. Earlier iterations of 737 also had the same switches, even before MCAS.

The MCAS was taking action, no matter if the autopilot was active or not, but it would only activate once the flaps were fully retracted (Boeing was hiding this from the airlines and the pilots, no-one knew about this). This is why these two planes went into sudden havoc and crashed when they came up to speed and flaps were retracted.

The problem here was that the MCAS in it´s original iteration was extremely aggressive and you would have a maximum of 7 to 10 seconds to turn the switches...... or you are dead. Even so, imagine having a critical system taking the input from only one single "angle of attack" sensor, and when that sensor was faulty ..... full deadly havoc. Very crazy crazy bad engineering by Boeing though

That last MAX8 crash, the pilots did everything correct, they followed all the checklists and they followed the "runaway stabilizer checklist", but it took more than 7 seconds and plane went into an unrecoverable dive! ..... imagine how short time 7 seconds is when all he#$# breaks loose

Some info here:

 

[j_garcia]

There is some talk of a potential Tesla model 2 pout there .......
If that red one could be somewhat close to what would possibly be arriving ..... then I like design

That red one with 275/35 profile tyres and red calipers

After multiple delays of the model 2, Tesla "officially" stated the low cost model was cancelled, and that almost certainly means the Model 2, in April 2024. They said they cannot build a $25K car and make money on it at this point.

 

[ryanosaur]

After multiple delays of the model 2, Tesla "officially" stated the low cost model was cancelled, and that almost certainly means the Model 2, in April 2024. They said they cannot build a $25K car and make money on it at this point.

That’s why they build a $37000 car and mark it up $20000 and put it on sale for…

*facepalm

 

[j_garcia]

Ordered the Tesla mobile charger with J1772 adapter. Tried a Electrify America charging station (free 2 years of charging) and was a pretty painless experience. Cool thing is it is only 4 miles from the house.

I have 2 within 2 miles, but they're relatively busy. I can hit them at off hours, like on the way home from work, and get a charge while checking my email.

 

[Swerd]

Ordered the Tesla mobile charger with J1772 adapter. Tried a Electrify America charging station (free 2 years of charging) and was a pretty painless experience. Cool thing is it is only 4 miles from the house.

Is that BMW EV used? If it was new, why didn't it come with it's own mobile charger? Once you have that Tesla mobile charger at home, going 4 miles for a fast charging station will seem inconvenient and costly after that 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America (EA) expires.

I find nothing is more convenient than recharging at home. It does cost you to install what you need, but I think it's really needed for any EV. Recharging at a place like EA makes great sense on a road trip. Unless you can't install a 240V 50A outlet where you live, I don't see why people would prefer EA fast charging for home use.

 

[Matt34]

Is that BMW EV used? If it was new, why didn't it come with it's own mobile charger? Once you have that Tesla mobile charger at home, going 4 miles for a fast charging station will seem inconvenient and costly after that 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America (EA) expires.

I find nothing is more convenient than recharging at home. It does cost you to install what you need, but I think it's really needed for any EV. Recharging at a place like EA makes great sense on a road trip. Unless you can't install a 240V 50A outlet where you live, I don't see why people would prefer EA fast charging for home use.

It's a new Hyundai Ioniq 5 we are doing a 2 year lease on. The don't come with a charger for 2024.

That's my thought as well, use the EA charger when it's convenient. Went with the Tesla charger for its flexibility to take it with us and use either as a level 1 or level 2 charger. Getting a quote this week on adding a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in the garage. We already have solar so the home charging cost will be offset.

 

[Swerd]

… 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America …

If I remember correctly, Electrify America offers a free 2-year's subscription to EA. That plus a free 40 hours (or was it 25 hours?) actual recharging time. I used all my free recharging time well before the free subscription to EA ran out.

 

[j_garcia]

I use the EA charger maybe twice a month. I run it below 20% and charge there because it is free. They are level 3 chargers, not level 2, so the charge time is 17-18 min on average for me. Level 2 takes about 7-8 hrs.

For Hyundai, I will have to read it again, but I don't think there is a limit on how much you can charge. The limit was how many within a 24hr period, IIRC. I charge on Level 2 while I am at work; work offers a discounted rate and there are a ton of chargers.

 

[Swerd]

It's a new Hyundai Ioniq 5 we are doing a 2 year lease on. The don't come with a charger for 2024.

Thanks, I get it now.

That's my thought as well, use the EA charger when it's convenient. Went with the Tesla charger for its flexibility to take it with us and use either as a level 1 or level 2 charger. Getting a quote this week on adding a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in the garage. We already have solar so the home charging cost will be offset.

I was under the impression that all portable chargers allowed both Level 1 & Level 2 charging. At least, that's what came with my Volvo 2 years ago. That Tesla charger may be available cheap.

Getting a Nema 14-50 outlet in your garage will be well worth the cost. If nothing else, it will enhance the resale value of your home.

 

[Matt34]

I use the EA charger maybe twice a month. I run it below 20% and charge there because it is free. They are level 3 chargers, not level 2, so the charge time is 17-18 min on average for me. Level 2 takes about 7-8 hrs.

For Hyundai, I will have to read it again, but I don't think there is a limit on how much you can charge. The limit was how many within a 24hr period, IIRC. I charge on Level 2 while I am at work; work offers a discounted rate and there are a ton of chargers.

30 min session with an hour cool off period. Unlimited number of sessions per day with those stipulations.

 

[Matt34]

Thanks, I get it now.
I was under the impression that all portable chargers allowed both Level 1 & Level 2 charging. At least, that's what came with my Volvo 2 years ago. That Tesla charger may be available cheap.

You're probably right, still figuring this stuff out as I go. I figured Tesla was a safe OEM bet over most of the questionable chargers I was looking at on Amazon.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

You're probably right, still figuring this stuff out as I go. I figured Tesla was a safe OEM bet over most of the questionable chargers I was looking at on Amazon.

I'd check first with your local electricity provider to see if they have any EV programs. In my home state of NJ, there's a state-supported program that allows you to pay up to $1500 for an EV changer installation. Plus a special off-peak hours rates credits system can help reduce overall EV bills. The catch is you'd have to use certain brands EV chargers and after some research, I settled on the most popular (but not necessarily the best) ChargePoint.
If I didn't have these limitations, I'd go with this open-source model:

OpenEVSE - Electric Vehicle Charging Solutions

OpenEVSE provides electric vehicle charging solutions worldwide based on SAE J1772 and IEC 61851 standards. Our experts provide components, software and services to accelerate the development of new charging technologies.

www.openevse.com

 

[j_garcia]

Hyundai was giving out vouchers to cover the charger (L2) and installation. PG&E (electricity here) also offers rebates on top of that, so installation should be 100% free here. When our tenant moves out, likely we will move back into that house and install a charger and get her an EV too.

Hyundai may have stopped with the free CCS chargers because they are opening up NACS very soon. Kia in Jan, presumably Hyundai at or around the same time. I REALLY don't want Musk to benefit from my buying an EV though.

Chargepoint is what I use mostly, since it is extremely available. There are literally ~100 of them at work in our new parking garage, 50 of which are public. There is never not one available, even with all the Teslas. Teslas at work have to use them too, because there are no Tesla chargers.

V4 Tesla Superchargers are springing up in the area though, at shopping centers.

 

[Swerd]

You're probably right, still figuring this stuff out as I go. I figured Tesla was a safe OEM bet over most of the questionable chargers I was looking at on Amazon.

I do remember going through that same thing. I had no way of charging up at home and I was busy getting bids from electricians on wiring my garage. There were two ChargePoint Level 2 chargers publicly available in my neighborhood, so I registered with ChargePoint (and my homeowner's assn), but I never yet had to use them. And the car was brand new too. So yeah, I was a bit overwhelmed by all those different Level 2 chargers for sale at widely different prices.

The key is learning what amperage your car can handle for the fastest charging. My car must have 48 amps at 240V and can easily handle up to 50 amps. Lower amperage is OK but slower. I'd guess your Ioniq might be the same.

Many of those less expensive Level 2 chargers deliver less juice than that … as low as 24, 32, or 40 amps. For me, those cheaper chargers were not worth it. The Volvo dealer offered a decent deal on a ChargePoint charger that could do 50 amps. And it was available fast – so I got it. When the electrician did his work on my circuit breaker & in my garage, I asked if he would also install the charger. No problem, he was happy to do it.

Many of those chargers have software to control the charging process. They could also vary the amps delivered to your car, as required. Other models don't seem to have that software or flexibility. I chose the more costly ChargePoint charger because I didn't yet know what my car needed, and because it was "smart", it could vary the amperage up to 48. I didn't really need that extra software. All EVs have that kind of software built into their computers. So, I probably over paid for that charger. At least, it does work well without any problems.

If I only knew then what I know now .

 

[ryanosaur]

I REALLY don't want Musk to benefit from my buying an EV though.

*sighs
Tell me about it.

 

[haraldo]

I would really like to hear from some Tesla owners in here ..... in the thinking box

That new 2025 Model Y, if this is somewhat correct rendering .... not sooooo bad

But .... I am not a fan of those.... all functions in the menu on that screen
And the screen in the middle of the dashboard and there is nothing in front of you

How does that work in real, daily life, is that just something to get used to?

Core functions, like:
- managing cruise control, managing settings like the distance to the car in front of you (at least BMW 7 series got this in the adaptive cruise control)
- Opening, managing sunroof, windows up and down, setting drive modes, brake regen settings

 

[j_garcia]

The model Y "Juniper" will likely ship in Jan. That is not quite what it will look like, it will basically look identical to the current Model 3 "Highland" refresh that came out last Jan, with a different tail light appearance. The mule for the Y that has been seen testing has a full width tail light like the Cybertruck.

That lazy photoshop looks like someone did it in 2 minutes from a Model 3 Performance.

 

[haraldo]

I can understand how Musk is being super-pissed at the current administration.... in 2021 Joe Biden had an EV summit at the White House and invited GM, Ford, Chrysler and UAW, but Biden didn't want Musk along.... Biden then publicly told media that GM is leading on in the global EV evolution. At that time, GM produced 26,000 electric cars in that quarter and Tesla 300,000 cars in the same quarter. WTF, did Biden already in 2021 have a serious brain damage?

Another thing Musk has done; According to Musk, all software Tesla develops is posted as open source, others can use freely, without royalties, for free. I can't name one other company that does the same?

source: Elon Musk on Advertisers, Trust and the “Wild Storm” in His Mind | DealBook Summit 2023

I also heard now from a guy over here here who has $120.000 one year old BMW i5 M60, he is not able to upgrade the software to the latest version on his car but he will need a hardware upgrade, probably changing computers along the car ...... guess once if this is expensive?
WTF BMW engineers?

 

[j_garcia]

GM is having their best year ever for EVs with the Lyric and the Equinox and the Blazer. The Silverado is too new and too expensive. They are FAR from selling the numbers of Tesla though. When the refresh model Y comes out, Tesla will sell a lot more too.