Electric Vehicles?

[haraldo]

sorry about derailing .....

I watched tons of videos on the Max 8 and ......... the Max 8 crashes had nothing to do with the autopilot, but the MCAS, which was introduced withe the MAX. 8. there was a way to disable MCAS when there is what I think is called "runaway stabilizer", and as far as i know there was already a "runaway stabilizer checklist" even before the MAX 8 was introduced. The way to disable this is by two switches on the console between the seats. Earlier iterations of 737 also had the same switches, even before MCAS.

The MCAS was taking action, no matter if the autopilot was active or not, but it would only activate once the flaps were fully retracted (Boeing was hiding this from the airlines and the pilots, no-one knew about this). This is why these two planes went into sudden havoc and crashed when they came up to speed and flaps were retracted.

The problem here was that the MCAS in it´s original iteration was extremely aggressive and you would have a maximum of 7 to 10 seconds to turn the switches...... or you are dead. Even so, imagine having a critical system taking the input from only one single "angle of attack" sensor, and when that sensor was faulty ..... full deadly havoc. Very crazy crazy bad engineering by Boeing though

That last MAX8 crash, the pilots did everything correct, they followed all the checklists and they followed the "runaway stabilizer checklist", but it took more than 7 seconds and plane went into an unrecoverable dive! ..... imagine how short time 7 seconds is when all he#$# breaks loose

Some info here:

 

[j_garcia]

There is some talk of a potential Tesla model 2 pout there .......
If that red one could be somewhat close to what would possibly be arriving ..... then I like design

That red one with 275/35 profile tyres and red calipers

After multiple delays of the model 2, Tesla "officially" stated the low cost model was cancelled, and that almost certainly means the Model 2, in April 2024. They said they cannot build a $25K car and make money on it at this point.

 

[ryanosaur]

After multiple delays of the model 2, Tesla "officially" stated the low cost model was cancelled, and that almost certainly means the Model 2, in April 2024. They said they cannot build a $25K car and make money on it at this point.

That’s why they build a $37000 car and mark it up $20000 and put it on sale for…

*facepalm

 

[j_garcia]

Ordered the Tesla mobile charger with J1772 adapter. Tried a Electrify America charging station (free 2 years of charging) and was a pretty painless experience. Cool thing is it is only 4 miles from the house.

I have 2 within 2 miles, but they're relatively busy. I can hit them at off hours, like on the way home from work, and get a charge while checking my email.

 

[Swerd]

Ordered the Tesla mobile charger with J1772 adapter. Tried a Electrify America charging station (free 2 years of charging) and was a pretty painless experience. Cool thing is it is only 4 miles from the house.

Is that BMW EV used? If it was new, why didn't it come with it's own mobile charger? Once you have that Tesla mobile charger at home, going 4 miles for a fast charging station will seem inconvenient and costly after that 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America (EA) expires.

I find nothing is more convenient than recharging at home. It does cost you to install what you need, but I think it's really needed for any EV. Recharging at a place like EA makes great sense on a road trip. Unless you can't install a 240V 50A outlet where you live, I don't see why people would prefer EA fast charging for home use.

 

[Matt34]

Is that BMW EV used? If it was new, why didn't it come with it's own mobile charger? Once you have that Tesla mobile charger at home, going 4 miles for a fast charging station will seem inconvenient and costly after that 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America (EA) expires.

I find nothing is more convenient than recharging at home. It does cost you to install what you need, but I think it's really needed for any EV. Recharging at a place like EA makes great sense on a road trip. Unless you can't install a 240V 50A outlet where you live, I don't see why people would prefer EA fast charging for home use.

It's a new Hyundai Ioniq 5 we are doing a 2 year lease on. The don't come with a charger for 2024.

That's my thought as well, use the EA charger when it's convenient. Went with the Tesla charger for its flexibility to take it with us and use either as a level 1 or level 2 charger. Getting a quote this week on adding a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in the garage. We already have solar so the home charging cost will be offset.

 

[Swerd]

… 2 year gift subscription to Electrify America …

If I remember correctly, Electrify America offers a free 2-year's subscription to EA. That plus a free 40 hours (or was it 25 hours?) actual recharging time. I used all my free recharging time well before the free subscription to EA ran out.

 

[j_garcia]

I use the EA charger maybe twice a month. I run it below 20% and charge there because it is free. They are level 3 chargers, not level 2, so the charge time is 17-18 min on average for me. Level 2 takes about 7-8 hrs.

For Hyundai, I will have to read it again, but I don't think there is a limit on how much you can charge. The limit was how many within a 24hr period, IIRC. I charge on Level 2 while I am at work; work offers a discounted rate and there are a ton of chargers.

 

[Swerd]

It's a new Hyundai Ioniq 5 we are doing a 2 year lease on. The don't come with a charger for 2024.

Thanks, I get it now.

That's my thought as well, use the EA charger when it's convenient. Went with the Tesla charger for its flexibility to take it with us and use either as a level 1 or level 2 charger. Getting a quote this week on adding a Nema 14-50 outlet installed in the garage. We already have solar so the home charging cost will be offset.

I was under the impression that all portable chargers allowed both Level 1 & Level 2 charging. At least, that's what came with my Volvo 2 years ago. That Tesla charger may be available cheap.

Getting a Nema 14-50 outlet in your garage will be well worth the cost. If nothing else, it will enhance the resale value of your home.

 

[Matt34]

I use the EA charger maybe twice a month. I run it below 20% and charge there because it is free. They are level 3 chargers, not level 2, so the charge time is 17-18 min on average for me. Level 2 takes about 7-8 hrs.

For Hyundai, I will have to read it again, but I don't think there is a limit on how much you can charge. The limit was how many within a 24hr period, IIRC. I charge on Level 2 while I am at work; work offers a discounted rate and there are a ton of chargers.

30 min session with an hour cool off period. Unlimited number of sessions per day with those stipulations.

 

[Matt34]

Thanks, I get it now.
I was under the impression that all portable chargers allowed both Level 1 & Level 2 charging. At least, that's what came with my Volvo 2 years ago. That Tesla charger may be available cheap.

You're probably right, still figuring this stuff out as I go. I figured Tesla was a safe OEM bet over most of the questionable chargers I was looking at on Amazon.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

You're probably right, still figuring this stuff out as I go. I figured Tesla was a safe OEM bet over most of the questionable chargers I was looking at on Amazon.

I'd check first with your local electricity provider to see if they have any EV programs. In my home state of NJ, there's a state-supported program that allows you to pay up to $1500 for an EV changer installation. Plus a special off-peak hours rates credits system can help reduce overall EV bills. The catch is you'd have to use certain brands EV chargers and after some research, I settled on the most popular (but not necessarily the best) ChargePoint.
If I didn't have these limitations, I'd go with this open-source model:

OpenEVSE - Electric Vehicle Charging Solutions

OpenEVSE provides electric vehicle charging solutions worldwide based on SAE J1772 and IEC 61851 standards. Our experts provide components, software and services to accelerate the development of new charging technologies.

www.openevse.com