So in your opinion and your experience what out there can we buy that brings you superlative audio performance? Are there any products out there that actually pull it off? I know your busy so when you get time I'd appreciate your insights\n\n\nNot that I can think of. Based on available bench measurements, the CX-A5000 series, Marantz AV8802A\/8805, Monoprice \n\nSo if the CX-A5100 measures the same as the AV8805 using Amir's standards, then do you think Amir would call the CX-A5100 "SOTA"? :D\n\nThat's my point. If Amir says the measurements for the CX-A5100 is NOT SOTA, will it still considered SOTA because Gene's measurements show that it is SOTA?\n\n\nHis reference for the "SOTA" thing seems to be desktop DACs, he never said that but I could tell while he would test\/measure anything, even speakers, DACs have been his bread and butter so it is hard for him not to think about them all the time. I did post my protests to the posters there (but not Amir) who seem to expect AVP\/Cs to measure as good, that is not realistic and the reasons should be obvious to most audiohlics. Having said that, now that he has measured a few Yamaha, one Denon and a couple of Pioneer, it is clear that if the Yamaha and Marantz processors are considered SOTA, the AVRs aren't too far from that, albeit would likely have to compare in lower output voltage, like 1.5 V unbalanced instead of 2 V.