Do you know where I can find an AMP like this one?

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JCanada

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FWIW, a friend of mine worked at a local stereo/AV retailer than sells McIntosh, and AudioQuest, was their top Munster salesman (management actually booted a couple of them for not selling it (I had worked for that company and still wouldn't have had any luck staying if I had been honest with customers), worked at another higher end store along the way and owns some Audio Quest cables, but I have been explaining why they can't do what is claimed, so he's gradually replacing them, as time allows. He has some Audio Research equipment and used it for a long time but recently, he decided to reinstall the solid state power amp- he was surprised to find that he prefers the sound to the tube amp he was using and that surprised him because he really liked it.

This can happen when our subconscious mind makes decisions without our input. This isn't always an obvious difference, many times it comes through hearing a detail that 'wasn't there before' in music that hadn't been heard recently. While that's dfinitely possible, the fact is, our 'hearing memory' isn't great over long periods of time. Yes, we can recognize voices that haven't been heard in decades, but fine details aren't as easy most of the time. That's one reason listening tests need to include a direct comparison, not listening to equipment at one place and other equipment at another after driving and being exposed to noise, music at moderate to high volume, car horns, etc.

Best advice I can give after selling audio/AV gear over decades- find something you like and enjoy it- once you have it, you won't be comparing it with anything else. Trying to find 'the best' is a good way to become neurotic about it.
Trying not be neurotic about audio gear is a bit difficult for me. I already eyeball deep into getting my separate 2 channel system. I can't stop now. Again, I am the 1st to admit I am a salesman's dream.
I will start with a search for a better way to deliver SiriusXM, Spotify, Deezer & YouTube.
 
isolar8001

isolar8001

Audioholic Field Marshall
I thought a DAC would improve Sirius, Deezer, Spotify. I currently stream those apps from a ROKU device. (Except Deezer).
How would I improve whats coming out of Deezer Spotify SiriusXM?
Unless you are using the HD versions of those services, a ROKU will work.
Do those services even offer HD audio though ?
But, HD audio is pretty much audiophoolery to begin with.

No, the DAC isn't going to magically improve the sound quality of those services basic audio.
All of the current streaming devices meant for music have all the DAC they need built in.

If you are a salesman's dream, I would be selling you a real music source, cd or digital.
If all you are doing is using the "free" basic version of those streaming services, your system is crippled from the start.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I have also been using Roku which can sound great depending on recorded source. At present, it's mainly used for steaming Met Opera recordings which I have access to with a subscription.

By the way, would you mind elaborate on the speakers that you built. Drivers used and a photo of cabinets would be interesting.
I used Peerless DT-105H tweeters and Peerless 830874 6-1/2" woofers, TLS Guy designed the crossover. The photo shows one with the original Vifa tweeter, but I prefer the Peerless. They were originally planned to be a test project, but I liked them enough to stay with them. Life got in the way of finishing the cabinets and I put off the exterior, partly due to indecision. I don't want paint but wood species is where I have to make a decision.

I built these five computers and data dumps ago and I need to organize a lot of files, but I'll add as I can.

Tweeters

Woofers
 

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In my front speakers I've been using a pair of Peerless P830991 5 inch as mid-bass drivers in the 3-way system that I designed. It's an amazing driver which has a rather linear frequency response in its 200-3200 Hz pass band:
I have four that are similar to those, with Poly cones- I need to do something with them.

I picked the 830874 because it goes deeper- midbass needs a bit more cone area to reproduce human voices properly and while 5-1/4" can do it really well, I didn't use a sub until recently and that was a return to the one I needed for my previous speakers. No sub, no tone controls and before I forget, these have two vents, 1.5" dia x ~5" long. One larger diameter port would have been deeper than the cabinets and I didn't want to angle it.

The crossover makes these a 2-1/2-way, with one woofer handling the response up to 300Hz and the other up to the transition to the tweeter.

When I worked at the first stereo store, we sold Phillips and Peerless raw drivers, partly because the owner was interested and his friend owned a speaker company. One of the other guys, who's a great friend, was interested in speaker design before he moved to Milwaukee in '78, so we discussed this stuff CONSTANTLY. SOme of us built our own but there wasn't as much technical info available at the time and it really wasn't written for weekend warriors. I took an acoustics class in about '82 and learned a lot, but software wasn't available, so it was a struggle. Sure, we had books with the crossover formulae but using that was fairly tedious.

Good results helps keep the enthusiasm alive, though.
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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I thought about going optical cable out of the TV in to the 2 channel DAC, pre-amp, amp. That way, I keep my current Onkyo AVR setup, and add the additional separate 2 channel setup. This way, no HDMI switcher. I still keep the ROKU for apps.
Now, I am adding new variable to my search. It involves a better way to deliver Deezer, Spotify, SiriusXM and YouTube.
Optical works but I'd need a reminder on all the gear make/models of what's going on. Still a bit confused about using a separate 2ch system but sharing room/components? What's the purpose?
 
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Audioholic
Optical works but I'd need a reminder on all the gear make/models of what's going on. Still a bit confused about using a separate 2ch system but sharing room/components? What's the purpose?
I currently listen to 2 channel from my Onkyo AVR. My purpose is to listen to 2 channel for a separate 2 channel amp. I also like a setup with multiple sets of floor standing speakers. I aim to listen to multi channel surround from my AVR, and 2 channel from a channel amp.Different set of speakers.
 
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Unless you are using the HD versions of those services, a ROKU will work.
Do those services even offer HD audio though ?
But, HD audio is pretty much audiophoolery to begin with.

No, the DAC isn't going to magically improve the sound quality of those services basic audio.
All of the current streaming devices meant for music have all the DAC they need built in.

If you are a salesman's dream, I would be selling you a real music source, cd or digital.
If all you are doing is using the "free" basic version of those streaming services, your system is crippled from the start.
I think you got something there. I verified. Spotify and Deezer have PREMIUM version. Deezer calls it their "High Fidelity" subscription. It is 120% more than the basic subscription. I am curious if there are streamers and DACs out there that support that high of a bit rate. I mentioned this to s ashop salesman, and he made a few recommendations. Although, I suspect he thinks I am rich, wich I am not. He suggested a few streaming devices, network players, streaming DACs etc.. Not a SINGLE one he recommended was under $3000.00 Canadian currency. When I asked him for a streamer, network player streaming DAC under $1300.00 Canadian currency, he cringed.

I ask you this: Is there a streamer, network player, streaming DAC that has a HDMI VIDEO OUTPUT, where the user can interface on the smart TV screen? I do not like those players where you have to interface from your phone/tablet/laptop, or from the player unit face screen. Know of any?
 
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JCanada

Audioholic
Optical works but I'd need a reminder on all the gear make/models of what's going on. Still a bit confused about using a separate 2ch system but sharing room/components? What's the purpose?
I know I asked this a while back, but maybe there have been some new additions from industry manufacturers.
I ask you this: Is there a streamer, network player, streaming DAC that has a HDMI VIDEO OUTPUT, where the user can interface on the smart TV screen? I do not like those players where you have to interface from your phone/tablet/laptop, or from the player unit face screen. Know of any?
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
I know I asked this a while back, but maybe there have been some new additions from industry manufacturers.
I ask you this: Is there a streamer, network player, streaming DAC that has a HDMI VIDEO OUTPUT, where the user can interface on the smart TV screen? I do not like those players where you have to interface from your phone/tablet/laptop, or from the player unit face screen. Know of any?
The Musicast app is extremely easy to use and it also allows making system changes, bass management, adding/controlling and turning off streaming services. The device can be used with volume control as the preamp (I used mine that way, as I posted) or without (to be used as a typical device). It can use WiFi or ethernet for the network connection, AirPlay or Bluetooth. It can also be controlled using a computer (desktop or laptop)/tabet by finding its IP address and saving it as a desktop icon or in the Favorites list. I use the PC when I'm already using it and iPhone when I'm not at the computer. It also has a 12V trigger output, which can be used to turn a power amplifier on.

However, it doesn't use HDMI for anything-

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isolar8001

isolar8001

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I think you got something there. I verified. Spotify and Deezer have PREMIUM version. Deezer calls it their "High Fidelity" subscription. It is 120% more than the basic subscription. I am curious if there are streamers and DACs out there that support that high of a bit rate. I mentioned this to s ashop salesman, and he made a few recommendations. Although, I suspect he thinks I am rich, wich I am not. He suggested a few streaming devices, network players, streaming DACs etc.. Not a SINGLE one he recommended was under $3000.00 Canadian currency. When I asked him for a streamer, network player streaming DAC under $1300.00 Canadian currency, he cringed.

I ask you this: Is there a streamer, network player, streaming DAC that has a HDMI VIDEO OUTPUT, where the user can interface on the smart TV screen? I do not like those players where you have to interface from your phone/tablet/laptop, or from the player unit face screen. Know of any?
Looks like a Nvidia Shield would be your best bet.
If you upgrade Deezer, you will get cd quality playback which the Shield can do easily.

Those 3000 dollar streamers are niche products that cost 10 times what they should for what you get.
 
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Looks like a Nvidia Shield would be your best bet.
If you upgrade Deezer, you will get cd quality playback which the Shield can do easily.

Those 3000 dollar streamers are niche products that cost 10 times what they should for what you get.
Who's talking about a $3K streamer?
 
Eppie

Eppie

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I know I asked this a while back, but maybe there have been some new additions from industry manufacturers.
I ask you this: Is there a streamer, network player, streaming DAC that has a HDMI VIDEO OUTPUT, where the user can interface on the smart TV screen? I do not like those players where you have to interface from your phone/tablet/laptop, or from the player unit face screen. Know of any?
I'm in Canada and I use an NVidia Shield Pro TV. It supports various streaming services but I use it primarily for playing local content through Plex and for video streaming services like Youtube, Netflix and Disney. There are other software choices, like Kodi, but Kodi takes a lot of manual setup to get working. I also have a Roon server, and while the Shield does not have a native Roon client, it supports music streaming using Chromecast but you need to use your phone as the remote. Plex and Kodi and the various streaming services work using the Shield remote and TV interface.

Plex and Roon (via Chromecast) do not support multi-channel audio through the Shield but that should not be an issue if you are creating a 2-channel setup. Kodi can do multi-channel audio but not for all formats. For Disney and Netflix, the Shield will do ATMOS but you need the enhanced subscription from Netflix to get it.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
I currently listen to 2 channel from my Onkyo AVR. My purpose is to listen to 2 channel for a separate 2 channel amp. I also like a setup with multiple sets of floor standing speakers. I aim to listen to multi channel surround from my AVR, and 2 channel from a channel amp.Different set of speakers.
Why duplicate gear in the same room? What do you hope to achieve?
 
Eppie

Eppie

Audioholic Ninja
I think lovin's question is being asked as there are other options that can be considered. The two AVRs that I have owned both had a 2-channel "stereo" mode and also a "pure-direct" mode that bypassed internal processing and just acted as a straight pre-amp and amp. Some AVRs also have an A/B speaker switch which allows the connection of 2 main speaker pairs. Thus you can achieve 2-channel listening with a different pair of speakers with just an AVR. That's a considerably cheaper solution than putting together a separate 2-channel system.

Some just like having a second system dedicated to 2-channel music. Naturally, you are free to choose whichever option you prefer. We just like to offer alternatives that may have not been considered. If you go with a separate system and have multiple speaker sets, then speaker switching should be a consideration unless you don't mind manually changing speaker connections.
 

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