People make too many assumptions and over-react to what is posted on these forums, almost as if they skimmed it and missed certain points. I have never written that I like Trump or most of what he has done, but he has done some things that were good. The hard core Left sees EVERYTHING he does as bad, even if it has been considered good by the main stream media. \n\nSome things you said earlier include\n"Stop using always, never, everyone and no one- using those is an assumption that has no support. "\n"You can stop putting all Conservatives in the same cesspool with politicians- we aren't as similar as you think, just as all Liberals aren't the same as all Liberal politicians."\n\nI wish you would take a page from your own advice.\n\nAnd no. No one seriously takes everything Trump does as bad. That would literally be impossible as he takes every position on everything at one point or another.\n\nThat doesn't seem to matter, though. I hate hearing him speak, I hate watching him on TV. That said, I would never have voted for Hillary\nThat right there establishes you as the fanatic; guilty of over-reaction and assumption\n\nThere are even circumstances I would have voted for Trump (Hitler as his literal opponent for example).\n\n and I don't like the Democrat candidates but for those of us in this boat, we don't have many choices.\nYou have one choice. You can support Biden or you can support Trump.\n\nThere's no way that giving any POTUS a free pass on bad actions and policies is OK and it sets bad precedents, for both parties because it becomes "well, the last ones did it, so we'll do it, too".\nBut to be clear: you are going to vote for him.\n\nYou wrote "...become disillusioned with capitalism, or at least the kind they got" and that's the critical point- THEIR GOVERNMENT got it wrong and the people have to suffer for it. The governments are corrupt, within the Capitalist system that they designed and the people who are able will take advantage of it.\nAnd the nature of that corruption is to not oversee the markets and not control the private companies... to allow too much unregulated capitalism.\n\nThe governments that have done better have exerted more influence on things like welfare and helathcare and industry oversight than the US. We used to do more; but we've been deregulating since the 80s... and raising the deficit while actually lowering services (which appears to be a strategic decision with the GOP to make it impossible for the DNC to persue its objectives... which is why GOP-created deficit is the most important thing to the GOP ever... but only when the DNC is in power). \n\nIt's not the restrictions that make it Communism or Socialism, it's when the government decides that it's going to do more than it should\n\n"than it should".\n\nI'm reminded that anyone that drives slower than me is an idiot and anyone that drives faster is a maniac.\n\n"than it should" makes your definition a subjective\/relative one. "capitalism" is whatever you like and "socialism" is whatever you dislike.\n\nI'd prefer to work with a definition that can be tested.