TheWarrior

TheWarrior

Audioholic Ninja
No I haven't do I even want to know? Lol something more to research to say the least
The only thing to research is chinese history. After their civil war, people in urban areas, regardless of wealth, found it impossible to maintain supply chains and many starved as a result. The solution was to have a wet market where fresh food was slaughtered in front of the paying customer, as opposed to the farm->slaughterhouse -> storage -> distribution -> retail model we know in the US.

The fact is wet markets are decreasing in popularity in favor of supermarkets. But the opportunity to have truly fresh meats and seafood is still seen as a luxury by many, it just is not sufficiently regulated to maintain health standards.

But it's ok, here in the US we believe regulations are bad for business and the inherent good will of capitalists will supersede any potential for danger.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
No I haven't do I even want to know? Lol something more to research to say the least
Some of the cooking shows on TV have gone to these shops and the stuff they sell and the claims they make are ridiculous. Two of the shows were ' I'll Have What Phil Is Having' and 'Confucius Was A Foodie'. If you have seen Glimmer Man with Steven Seagal, he takes Jamie Fox into one of these shops for a cure to help with Fox's character's head cold and part of it included a part from a deer that nice people don't ingest.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
The only thing to research is chinese history. After their civil war, people in urban areas, regardless of wealth, found it impossible to maintain supply chains and many starved as a result. The solution was to have a wet market where fresh food was slaughtered in front of the paying customer, as opposed to the farm->slaughterhouse -> storage -> distribution -> retail model we know in the US.

The fact is wet markets are decreasing in popularity in favor of supermarkets. But the opportunity to have truly fresh meats and seafood is still seen as a luxury by many, it just is not sufficiently regulated to maintain health standards.

But it's ok, here in the US we believe regulations are bad for business and the inherent good will of capitalists will supersede any potential for danger.
Don't be an ass. Who would argue that regulating food safety is a bad thing? You don't need to ram your hatred of capitalists down our throats- we got the freaking memo. Try living under Communism if you really want someone to hate.

If you haven't discussed Communism with someone who lived it, do that ASAP. The first person I knew who left a Communist country was asked, during a classroom Q&A session, "How did you live?" and he answered "We didn't live, we existed". His family wasn't lower class, either- his father was a head professor of Physics at the University of Prague and Mike went on to work for NASA. He and his brother were ridiculously intelligent, too.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
The only thing to research is chinese history. After their civil war, people in urban areas, regardless of wealth, found it impossible to maintain supply chains and many starved as a result. The solution was to have a wet market where fresh food was slaughtered in front of the paying customer, as opposed to the farm->slaughterhouse -> storage -> distribution -> retail model we know in the US.

The fact is wet markets are decreasing in popularity in favor of supermarkets. But the opportunity to have truly fresh meats and seafood is still seen as a luxury by many, it just is not sufficiently regulated to maintain health standards.

But it's ok, here in the US we believe regulations are bad for business and the inherent good will of capitalists will supersede any potential for danger.
Thanks for the information greatly appreciate it especially the history behind how they started
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Don't be an ass. Who would argue that regulating food safety is a bad thing?
The GOP apparently.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/exclusive-fda-enforcement-actions-plummet-under-trump


You don't need to ram your hatred of capitalists down our throats- we got the freaking memo. Try living under Communism if you really want someone to hate.
Pot meet kettle.

You just defended capitalism by arguing that no one opposes some socialism in it; and appear to be attacking communism ignoring that no one opposes some capitalism in it.

If you haven't discussed Communism with someone who lived it, do that ASAP.
I dated one. She came to the US on a student visa to get her PhD. She's actually from Wuhan and lost an uncle to this virus.

If you assume all communist countries are the same to all people at all points in time; I'd suggest asking a Somali about capitalism.

That said: we aren't defending communism. We are defending restraints on capitalism. We are arguing against the deregulation of banking, of food safety, of environmental protection that we are seeing under successive republican administrations (and sometimes democrats too).
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Ninja
I know very little about Colchicine. It was known to be a highly toxic, even dangerous, substance.

In the laboratory it was occasionally used to produce cells that could live for a while without any nucleus. I used it only once. The experiment didn't work, so I never used it again.
FYI, the Montreal Heart Institute started using Colchicine for heart disease patients with positive results:

 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Audioholic Slumlord
The first person to receive vaccination against Covid 19 now has a face.
...

She was injected with a product being developed by Moderna. First dose was given about three weeks ago.

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Is this company up to the task? Their stock market record only dates back to Dec 2018. Perhaps that is when they went public?
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
The GOP apparently.


https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/07/exclusive-fda-enforcement-actions-plummet-under-trump



Pot meet kettle.

You just defended capitalism by arguing that no one opposes some socialism in it; and appear to be attacking communism ignoring that no one opposes some capitalism in it.


I dated one. She came to the US on a student visa to get her PhD. She's actually from Wuhan and lost an uncle to this virus.

If you assume all communist countries are the same to all people at all points in time; I'd suggest asking a Somali about capitalism.

That said: we aren't defending communism. We are defending restraints on capitalism. We are arguing against the deregulation of banking, of food safety, of environmental protection that we are seeing under successive republican administrations (and sometimes democrats too).
You can stop putting all Conservatives in the same cesspool with politicians- we aren't as similar as you think, just as all Liberals aren't the same as all Liberal politicians.

Stop using always, never, everyone and no one- using those is an assumption that has no support.

You dated a Chinese woman, but you didn't comment on her views and whether they make sense to you- please do. Did you discuss their 'One Child' initiative and the female infanticide?

I never wrote that Capitalism is perfect, or close to it. However, think about the alternative.
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
You can stop putting all Conservatives in the same cesspool with politicians- we aren't as similar as you think, just as all Liberals aren't the same as all Liberal politicians.
I didn't do that. I established that people exist who oppose safety regulations on food.

That said: Turmp has a 94% approval rating among conservative republicans (https://news.gallup.com/poll/248135/subgroup-differences-trump-approval-mostly-party-based.aspx)

So if you approve of someone, and you vote for them, then I'm putting you in the same pool as them when it comes to policy

Stop using always, never, everyone and no one- using those is an assumption that has no support.
I think you are confusing me with yourself. *You* called someone an ass for saying anyone had a position. In doing so, you asserted that no one held this position.

You dated a Chinese woman, but you didn't comment on her views and whether they make sense to you- please do. Did you discuss their 'One Child' initiative and the female infanticide?
No.

You made a blanket statement that was patently false. You made an appeal to authority on that position which is pre-facia false, but which I've also undermined.

I never wrote that Capitalism is perfect, or close to it. However, think about the alternative.
I much prefer the US with good regulatory agencies than without.
I much prefer the US with universal healthcare than without.
I much prefer the US with MBI than without.
I much prefer the US with Social Security and Social welfare than without.

The list goes on.

Ironically: your whining about wet markets is whining about unregulated capitalism.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Chief
For clarification: highfigh post was not addressed to me.

You can stop putting all Conservatives in the same cesspool with politicians- we aren't as similar as you think, just as all Liberals aren't the same as all Liberal politicians.
Yeah, the non-politician Trump and his likes are more than welcome in your cesspool, I gather?

Stop using always, never, everyone and no one- using those is an assumption that has no support.
"Assumptions that has no support" is something you should take to heart in your own posts.

You dated a Chinese woman, but you didn't comment on her views and whether they make sense to you- please do. Did you discuss their 'One Child' initiative and the female infanticide?
My wife grew up in a former communist country, and she sure does not like communism or socialism (hardly a surprise). She is centre-right, politically speaking, but very far from that kind of right that I've seen on this forum that thinks Angela Merkel is a liberal.

I never wrote that Capitalism is perfect, or close to it. However, think about the alternative.
After the fall of communism in Eastern Europe many has become disillusioned with capitalism, or at least the kind they got.

So capitalism is far from perfect, and some restrictions is needed, but those restrictions those not make it communism or socialism.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
For clarification: highfigh post was not addressed to me.



Yeah, the non-politician Trump and his likes are more than welcome in your cesspool, I gather?



"Assumptions that has no support" is something you should take to heart in your own posts.



My wife grew up in a former communist country, and she sure does not like communism or socialism (hardly a surprise). She is centre-right, politically speaking, but very far from that kind of right that I've seen on this forum that thinks Angela Merkel is a liberal.



After the fall of communism in Eastern Europe many has become disillusioned with capitalism, or at least the kind they got.

So capitalism is far from perfect, and some restrictions is needed, but those restrictions those not make it communism or socialism.
People make too many assumptions and over-react to what is posted on these forums, almost as if they skimmed it and missed certain points. I have never written that I like Trump or most of what he has done, but he has done some things that were good. The hard core Left sees EVERYTHING he does as bad, even if it has been considered good by the main stream media. That doesn't seem to matter, though. I hate hearing him speak, I hate watching him on TV. That said, I would never have voted for Hillary and I don't like the Democrat candidates but for those of us in this boat, we don't have many choices. I don't see Biden changing any minds and I definitely don't see Trump converting many Democrats. The good thing- he can't win two more elections and won't stay in office for more than another four years if he wins in November. I fear the die-hard Trump fans at least as much as the over-reaction by the left and some of the fan boys see absolutely nothing wrong with what T has done, which is a problem for all of us. They need to learn as quickly as possible that it's not only OK to be critical of 'their guy', it's out duty as citizens of this country. There's no way that giving any POTUS a free pass on bad actions and policies is OK and it sets bad precedents, for both parties because it becomes "well, the last ones did it, so we'll do it, too".

I don't tell people they're like all others- it's not true and I don't believe it, so you can stop pointing fingers. The hostility is past the point of tolerability.

You wrote "...become disillusioned with capitalism, or at least the kind they got" and that's the critical point- THEIR GOVERNMENT got it wrong and the people have to suffer for it. The governments are corrupt, within the Capitalist system that they designed and the people who are able will take advantage of it. This is a major reason for limiting what the system will allow, similar to the old and apparently forgotten anti-monopoly laws in the US. Leaders make it possible for their new systems to benefit them before the people and, unfortunately, ours is no different. Congress has written rules that allow them to determine their own pay, limit their own liability, allow themselves to accept bribery under the name of 'lobbying' and they even have a way to avoid the backlash from bouncing checks. Did you know they used taxpayer money to settle sexual assault cases?


Our government is supposed to be less hands-on, but not totally hands-off. If it was the latter, democracy would never have lasted as long as it has, but we also have people who don't care if something is illegal- they're breaking those laws on a daily basis.

Just curious- where did your wife live? I know some people from Ukraine and other parts of Russia and they left because it was intolerable. One recently went back to Kiev and was amazed by the change in the people he encountered- they were friendly, helpful and didn't constantly as for bribes. He said crime is still bad, though.

It's not the restrictions that make it Communism or Socialism, it's when the government decides that it's going to do more than it should and by taking from some so it can give to others through taxation and confiscation. We need restrictions in many areas that are running amok, like drug companies and I wouldn't mind seeing the fast food industry being held responsible for the downfall in the health of the US population. Some people seem to thing that being American means they have the freedom to eat themselves to death. While it could be said that they have the freedom, I disagree than the rest of us should pay for the treatment they WILL eventually need. Same for smokers- there's no doubt that tobacco use causes cancer & other problems and ultimately, cigarettes killed both of my parents, so I would have little sympathy if the tobacco industry disappears completely.
 
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highfigh

Audioholic Overlord
I didn't do that. I established that people exist who oppose safety regulations on food.

That said: Turmp has a 94% approval rating among conservative republicans (https://news.gallup.com/poll/248135/subgroup-differences-trump-approval-mostly-party-based.aspx)

So if you approve of someone, and you vote for them, then I'm putting you in the same pool as them when it comes to policy


I think you are confusing me with yourself. *You* called someone an ass for saying anyone had a position. In doing so, you asserted that no one held this position.


No.

You made a blanket statement that was patently false. You made an appeal to authority on that position which is pre-facia false, but which I've also undermined.


I much prefer the US with good regulatory agencies than without.
I much prefer the US with universal healthcare than without.
I much prefer the US with MBI than without.
I much prefer the US with Social Security and Social welfare than without.

The list goes on.

Ironically: your whining about wet markets is whining about unregulated capitalism.
You say you didn't,. but you wrote "The GOP apparently." without using 'many' or 'too many', which would have been correct and I would have agreed.

He may have 94% approval, but not by all- just the ones they asked and as you know, polls can be made to show whatever the pollsters want. The 94% approval is also a blanket statement without qualifications and I think I know one person who would fall in that group. He needs a reality check.

I called him an ass for his comment, not for having a position. Now, who's getting it wrong? You took it upon yourself to comment without seeing this and it's not the first time.

WRT your four points of preference- I agree, completely. The problem I have, as I have written, is that some in our government will abuse anything they can, including who gets what, how much and how some can be excluded while others who shouldn't, get theirs. This includes abuse of information. I disagree with many of the softening and removal of many regulations that have been cut by Republicans but since there's no strong Independent presence in Congress, those of us who don't want to be among the card-carrying members of the Left or Right are screwed. And misunderstood. One of the worst areas of decreased regulation has to do with the environment and I think any decreases in safety for it should be reversed.
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

Audioholic Field Marshall
Is this company up to the task? Their stock market record only dates back to Dec 2018. Perhaps that is when they went public?
Valid question and to that I assume the bigger Drug Houses we know of are also working 24/7 on this ?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Slumlord
Valid question and to that I assume the bigger Drug Houses we know of are also working 24/7 on this ?
This is a company founded to develop messenger RNA technology as a novel and safer method of immunization. They are developing technologies for many bad viral diseases including Zika. This company also has he support of the NIH. This is new and unproven technology. However I think this actually is the company most likely to get us out of this mess. The others are going to have to use traditional technology, which probably has even more uncertain outcome.

By far the biggest hurdle will be figuring out how to mass produce what will be very complex technology in the time frame required.
One thing is certain, that if there trials are positive, then massive amounts of resources need to flow into this company.

And if our resident communist wants to argue the toss about all this, he might as well shut the you know what up now.
 
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Danzilla31

Audioholic Ninja
wtf...is it true?
Well if it is it makes sense really @TLS Guy has told us in some posting that this particular group of viruses is getting more and more problematic doesn't surprise me if more strains are out there almost seems like it wants to evolve to give us a problem I know it doesn't work that way lol

All the more reason when we get past this situation to make a lot of changes to our response globally to our acquisition of supplies policy changes could go on and on to be prepared a lot of scientists have maintained that pandemics are going to be a developing problem for factors I don't completely understand working hard on getting myself educated but it sure looks like they were right
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
You say you didn't,. but you wrote "The GOP apparently." without using 'many' or 'too many', which would have been correct and I would have agreed.
The GOP is a political party. Specifically the American Republican political party. There's only one GOP, so "many GOP" or some derivative would be nonsensical.

Again, though, you called someone an ass for asserting anyone at all was anti-food-regulation. That was the point of my response. Addressing anything else from my comment there is pedantic.

He may have 94% approval, but not by all- just the ones they asked and as you know, polls can be made to show whatever the pollsters want. The 94% approval is also a blanket statement without qualifications and I think I know one person who would fall in that group. He needs a reality check.
OK.

How did his opponents fair in the Republican primary? Weld? Walsh? De La Feute?

I called him an ass for his comment, not for having a position. Now, who's getting it wrong? You took it upon yourself to comment without seeing this and it's not the first time.
Are you asserting that these two sentences from your post are not related to one another?

"Don't be an ass. Who would argue that regulating food safety is a bad thing?"

Because it seems to my reading that you were calling him an ass for asserting/implying that someone would argue that regulating food safety was a bad thing.

If that was not your intent, then your paragraph is unclear.

WRT your four points of preference- I agree, completely. The problem I have, as I have written, is that some in our government will abuse anything they can, including who gets what, how much and how some can be excluded while others who shouldn't, get theirs. This includes abuse of information. I disagree with many of the softening and removal of many regulations that have been cut by Republicans but since there's no strong Independent presence in Congress, those of us who don't want to be among the card-carrying members of the Left or Right are screwed. And misunderstood. One of the worst areas of decreased regulation has to do with the environment and I think any decreases in safety for it should be reversed.
I think they should be reversed too.

The only way to get out of a two-party system is to get rid of winner-take-all elections; and doing that means removing the state soverignty system we have in place... so good luck there (I'll support you in this cause).
 
JerryLove

JerryLove

Audioholic Samurai
Well if it is it makes sense really @TLS Guy has told us in some posting that this particular group of viruses is getting more and more problematic doesn't surprise me if more strains are out there almost seems like it wants to evolve to give us a problem I know it doesn't work that way lol
The problem is that this seems to suggest that we weren't aware that bats carry coronaviruses before.

All animals get diseases.

All animals have their own sets and variations of diseases. Sometimes these diseases jump species. Sometimes they then start replicating in the new species. See: all the dangerous flus.

Coronavirus is common in bats. Usually, it's harmless to people because it can't infect them; but sometimes it manages and (because virui trade DNA with other virui) sometimes that infection becomes capable of human-to-human transmission. See also: every other animal.
 
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