Bad day to be a terrorist

[TLS Guy]

So, what Israel terms a limited incursion of Southern Lebanon has begun. I suspect that they intend to keep Hezbollah out of the area south of the Litani River.

Meanwhile heavy bombing of Southern Beirut is under way. The UK are trying to evacuate its citizens and have started charter flights.

Hezbollah have fired a missile at the American Victoria military base near the airport in Bagdad.

Meanwhile Hezbollah have accused Iran of abandoning them. Obviously Iran has a bad case of the funks about having to confront the Israeli forces.

Biden is now wrong to keep asking for a cease fire, unless he finds it politic to do that in public and send another message via a secure route.

Clearly it is in our, and everyone's interest to have the Israeli forces seriously degrade and hopefully eliminate these forces Iran have established to cause destabilization in the countries in which they reside. I have referred before to the unacceptable situation of huge armies funded by Iran, but not under the control of the legitimate governments in which they reside.

Once Hezbollah and Hamas have been dealt with, then the Houthis are next on the list for elimination.

 

[Jeepers]

Biden is now wrong to keep asking for a cease fire, unless he finds it politic to do that in public and send another message via a secure route.

Don't forget your beloved PM Keir Starmer and his speech to the UN.
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Calling on Israel to “step back from the brink” to provide space for a diplomat settlement, he said an immediate ceasefire is needed in Gaza, where the suffering continues to grow. Diplomacy is the only way to break the cycle of violence, he said.
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[highfigh]

Don't forget your beloved PM Keir Starmer and his speech to the UN.
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Calling on Israel to “step back from the brink” to provide space for a diplomat settlement, he said an immediate ceasefire is needed in Gaza, where the suffering continues to grow. Diplomacy is the only way to break the cycle of violence, he said.
...

Biden said they need to cease fire too but, well....I'm not sure anyone is taking him seriously in any way. Sure, he has his moments, but it's time they use the 25th, IMO. That office is no place for people to say "He's OK, some of the time".

 

[TLS Guy]

Don't forget your beloved PM Keir Starmer and his speech to the UN.
...
Calling on Israel to “step back from the brink” to provide space for a diplomat settlement, he said an immediate ceasefire is needed in Gaza, where the suffering continues to grow. Diplomacy is the only way to break the cycle of violence, he said.
...

Starmer is already knee deep in scandal and proved an industrial grifter. After getting a huge majority, he has got himself more unpopular than Rishi Sunak in three months. His MP for Canterbury has already left the party and will now sit as an independent.

 

[Trell]

Biden said they need to cease fire too but, well....I'm not sure anyone is taking him seriously in any way. Sure, he has his moments, but it's time they use the 25th, IMO. That office is no place for people to say "He's OK, some of the time".

 

[TankTop5]

So, what Israel terms a limited incursion of Southern Lebanon has begun. I suspect that they intend to keep Hezbollah out of the area south of the Litani River.

Meanwhile heavy bombing of Southern Beirut is under way. The UK are trying to evacuate its citizens and have started charter flights.

Hezbollah have fired a missile at the American Victoria military base near the airport in Bagdad.

Meanwhile Hezbollah have accused Iran of abandoning them. Obviously Iran has a bad case of the funks about having to confront the Israeli forces.

Biden is now wrong to keep asking for a cease fire, unless he finds it politic to do that in public and send another message via a secure route.

Clearly it is in our, and everyone's interest to have the Israeli forces seriously degrade and hopefully eliminate these forces Iran have established to cause destabilization in the countries in which they reside. I have referred before to the unacceptable situation of huge armies funded by Iran, but not under the control of the legitimate governments in which they reside.

Once Hezbollah and Hamas have been dealt with, then the Houthis are next on the list for elimination.

Iran publicly stated a direct conflict with Israel would set the Iranian military back 20 years.

Dighting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Hourhis is very difficult due to trying to avoid too many civilian casualties as they are imbedded in civilian areas and hide there. Iran on the other hand has regular military bases and othe very high value facilities that Israel could target indiscriminately. The only problem for Israel is the distance but I think Israel has a solution

 

[jinjuku]

Based solely on past, direct observations of Biden's diminished mental acuity (i.e. I can indeed believe my lying eyes) I'm not super comfortable that he's in THE seat during this crisis with regimes that are just absolutely looney tunes.

 

[trochetier]

There we go being dragged into another war. No more American blood and treasure unless our mainland is attacked.

The country is seriously broke already, the next budget year our National debt is likely going to exceed our GDP. The interest on debt payments already nearly equals to defense budget. We already spend more than next 7 countries combined on defense. We have increasingly more full time working people barely able to put a roof over their heads, unable to seek proper medical attention or even medicines, depending on food banks from going hungry. We need to focus our attention and spend the money on taking care o four own people and country. Not fight wars of choice elsewhere in the world.

 

[TLS Guy]

There we go being dragged into another war. No more American blood and treasure unless our mainland is attacked.

The country is seriously broke already, the next budget year our National debt is likely going to exceed our GDP. The interest on debt payments already nearly equals to defense budget. We already spend more than next 7 countries combined on defense. We have increasingly more full time working people barely able to put a roof over their heads, unable to seek proper medical attention or even medicines, depending on food banks from going hungry. We need to focus our attention and spend the money on taking care o four own people and country. Not fight wars of choice elsewhere in the world.

That is called an isolationist policy and history shows that it is a total disaster and a very dangerous policy.

 

[TLS Guy]

So the war has widened with a massive missile attack on Israel by Iran. Israel will respond with force against Iran at a time of their choosing.

They seem in a mood for vigorous offensives at this time. I suspect the Israelis will inflict massive damage on Iran.

My guess is that their oil facilities and ports will be prime targets, to inflict maximum economic damage.
So get ready for the price of oil and gas at the pump to go though the roof.

The unknown question is what will Russia do? Iran is a major supplier of weapons to Russia.

I think this war will widen in the middle east now. It could widen beyond that region, but I personally doubt it will. I know some have concerns it will. If it does then history will regard WW III as having already to have begun.

 

[khalisthingsc]

Our thoughts on this largely align.

I absolutely agree Israel has every right to defend themselves. I also think they took it too far in the response to Hamas.

I think the Palestinian citizens really drew the short end of the stick in all of this and then got beat with all the sticks. Hamas clearly did what they did last year not as an act for the good of achieving a Palestinian State but as an act of a terrorist organization in a proxy war between Iran and Israel. That Hamas has burrowed into, through and under Palestinian cities and is using the non combatant citizenry as shields against Israeli retaliation is a huge game changer and exactly what I meant by creating a gray area.

For Israel to respond, they effectively have to bulldoze through everything to get at Hamas… and that’s exactly what they did. I saw an article indicating that many Palestinians are now questioning the relationship with Hamas.

I see Hezbollah in the same way, burrowed in and intertwined in Lebanon. That any strike against them would result in likely civilian casualties is their clear ploy to dodge a full on military reprisal. Again, this gray area.

While targeted, this pager attack is still not without its randomness. Certainly some civilian casualties were expected by Israel, and probably even expected… and dare I say perhaps hoped for to some extent. How else to prove the point that you can hide in plain sight among the general populace but you aren’t safe and you are making it unsafe security guard hire in melbourne for your family, friends, neighbors, etc… And that the Israeli

I get it.

I still don’t like it.

Great and informative

 

[highfigh]

Iran publicly stated a direct conflict with Israel would set the Iranian military back 20 years.

Dighting Hamas, Hezbollah and the Hourhis is very difficult due to trying to avoid too many civilian casualties as they are imbedded in civilian areas and hide there. Iran on the other hand has regular military bases and othe very high value facilities that Israel could target indiscriminately. The only problem for Israel is the distance but I think Israel has a solution

If Iran wants to be in it, they need to stop having others do their bidding and grow a set- they're acting like an annoying kid who sneaks up behind others, flicks their ear and runs away. Time to slap them into the 1950s.

The best thing for Iran would be for the people to get rid of the Muslim cleric leadership.

Distance, for ground troops? Why should Israel fight on the ground when they have a great air force?

 

[highfigh]

If you don't see that he's not "all there", explain what you see that's good.

 

[TLS Guy]

It seems it has likely been a very bad day for Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas.

The IDF have announced that there is a very high chance they have killed him.

Whether this will change the equation on the ground is an open question. Killing the leaders of Hezbollah in Lebanon does not seem to have taken the fight out of them.

I think Iran is in for a bad time soon.

 

[Trell]

It seems it has likely been a very bad day for Yahya Sinwar, the leader of Hamas.

The IDF have announced that there is a very high chance they have killed him.

Good news.

 

[Jeepers]

Good news.

And Hamas will choose another leader and it continues.

 

[TLS Guy]

Good news.

Death now confirmed.

 

[TLS Guy]

And Hamas will choose another leader and it continues.

Time will tell. However there is a good chance that the next leader may feel that they have suffered enough in Gaza. If they get sensible, I'm sure the Israelis will give the population of Garza every assistance along with other nations. If they do not realize that they can not win against the IDF, then they are not rational. Israel is not going to let them rearm and keep this going.

If they want to better their people, then their only solution is to cooperate with Israel and the international community to improve the lot of the people of Garza ASAP. Despite the hysterical outbursts from the left of the spectrum, Israelis are not Nazis. If these Shia Muslims would just recognize and allow freedom of religion, this would all end. However they have enforced their religion at the point of a sword for over a thousand years.