Axiom Audio EP500 VS SVS PB12-Plus/2

[craigsub]

Everyone has a different impression of a good subwoofer. This statement is Void.

So your saying a subwoofer putting out 120dB with 100% THD with sound better then a subwoofer putting out 108dB with 28% THD?

Oh man, I need to quote that.

SheepStar

Sheep ... I don't know what your problem is, but you are becoming more obnoxious with every post. I suggest you learn to read.

 

[RMK!]

lambster

This little lamb can be summed up by the great signature line of an AVS'er:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained as stupidity"

 

[mike c]

let's get back to the subwoofer shootout. these "fighting words" are no longer entertaining.

option 1

option 2

option 3
Velodyne Vs. Axiom

just kidding!!!!

 

[mike c]

nope. i am getting tired of that thing. they asked me to either send it back to Canada, or have it fixed myself. boo.

from canada to here is no problem ... here to canada is the bummer.

I don't trust the local repair people enough to give them an over 1k USD sub

 

[craigsub]

nope. i am getting tired of that thing. they asked me to either send it back to Canada, or have it fixed myself. boo.

from canada to here is no problem ... here to canada is the bummer.

I don't trust the local repair people enough to give them an over 1k USD sub

Mike - I really understand your frustration. For international sales, a company should send out the product configured for the country into which the product is being shipped. Axiom knew this was going to the Philippines .. and the EP-500 should have been configured accordingly.

If they really want it shipped back, it should be at their expense, and a new subwoofer, set to the correct voltage returned to you.

 

[mike c]

I actually kept repeating that I wanted the subwoofer in 220v BEFORE the purchase. I was given generic answers like "yes, our unit can handle 220v".

I asked my aunt (the one who ordered for me in ontario) to specify 220v and for axiom give extra attention to my unit since it had to travel thousands of miles.

there is no way for me to send any part of the subwoofer back (dont even know if the canadian customs will hold that) Here in the Philippines, I have all the "legalities covered". thats why I had axiom send the unit to my aunt and had my aunt send the unit to me. they boxed the original axiom box in another box (bigger with a crap load of foam and even my uncle's chair back and butt rest).

I have an electrical engineer friend but I am hesitating because: we don't even have slow-blow fuses here. you really expect us to have whatever more complicated piece of electronics inside the amp.

 

[mike c]

and I quote ...

myself:
Hi xxxxxxxxxxx,

I thought shipping was free throughout Canada?
btw, what is this GST and PST? (what about this
NAFTA?)
is the Axiom EP500 220v?

you have 0% interest lay-away plans? how long?

thanks,
mike

and the reply:
Subject: RE: Axiom Audio Response to Your Request
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:59:08 -0500

Hi Mike,

Shipping is free in Canada, however taxes are applied.

The EP500 is dual voltage, 110V and 220V.

 

[mike c]

if not for this CHT15-R I bought, I would have hanged myself by now. come to think of it ... 1300USD axiom + 800USD velo = very close to a velo dd-15.

and to think it had considered SVS PC ultra vs. this axiom!
Ron Stimpson promised to send out a unit with a 220v amp. (very cool guy btw)

reasons why I picked the axiom over the SVS:
1) shipping and taxes on SVS
2) craig subwoofer shootout
3) review on audioholics (there was no SVS review on AH then)

removed #4 reason because it was unrelated.

 

[mike c]

If they really want it shipped back, it should be at their expense, and a new subwoofer, set to the correct voltage returned to you.

I wish. hint hint. I will take the expense of the shipping from canada to me anyday just to get this fixed. (my aunt's ontario add. to me)

 

[Ron Temple]

and I quote ...

myself:
Hi xxxxxxxxxxx,

I thought shipping was free throughout Canada?
btw, what is this GST and PST? (what about this
NAFTA?)
is the Axiom EP500 220v?

you have 0% interest lay-away plans? how long?

thanks,
mike

and the reply:
Subject: RE: Axiom Audio Response to Your Request
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:59:08 -0500

Hi Mike,

Shipping is free in Canada, however taxes are applied.

The EP500 is dual voltage, 110V and 220V.

Mike,

Call Ian...explain...get a decision.

 

[Ilkka]

But at least EP-600 has dual voltage, you can choose 110V or 220V. Mine was configured to 110V, but I had to change it to 220V. It's not a difficult job, manual explains it clearly.

 

[Axiomaudio]

I wish. hint hint. I will take the expense of the shipping from canada to me anyday just to get this fixed. (my aunt's ontario add. to me)

Hi Mike;

I'll admit - I'm confused! I'm the one who found out the universal voltage of the fuse you have blown on the power supply when you plugged it in at the wrong voltage so you could have it fixed in Manila and be back up and running as soon as possible. It's the sort of thing that takes a repair shop about 2 minutes to fix. I thought we also offered you the option of returning the sub to us and we would repair it? But if you had asked us to ship something to your aunt, I had no idea, and if we missed your email, I'm very sorry. I am obviously missing several pieces of the story and I would like to get it straightened up.

Please contact me directly at amie @ axiomaudio.com and we'll get this sorted out.

Amie Colquhoun
Axiom Audio

 

[Ajax]

Mike, didn't you read the manual BEFORE plugging your subwoofer into a 220 outlet?

 

[cjwhitehouse]

The status I have there is certainly NOT placed by me. Some AV Talk moderator has deliberately went into my personal profile and altered the information. I find that kind of behaviour extremely lowlife and sad. No mod should ever do such thing.

My relationship to SVS isn't any closer than any regular customer's who values their products and supports their way of thinking regarding good bass reproduction.

Ilkka,

Just to set the record straight, custom tags like "SVS Marketing Department" are solely in the gift of forum admin. Moderators do NOT have the necessary rights to be able to create them.

Such tags usually have a bit of wit associated with them and are assigned to members that have come to admin's notice for various reasons. You will find that the number of people with such tags is very small and most appreciate being singled out in this way as giving them some 'cred'. Anyway, if you find the tag so offensive, I suggest you PM admin and ask for it to be removed. If you get nowhere with that, let me know by PM and I will see what I can do. I can say no fairer than that.

Also, while I have a somewhat 'forgiving' nature, admin may well not. If you remember your first few interventions on AV:Talk after we published our first round sub test results, you joined in the SVS fanboys' rants against our tests (no other group of owners got so hot under the collar), implying that we had tested subs in such a way as to deliberately handicap SVS subs (using old drivers, forward vs reverse sine sweeps etc). As someone who has now conducted his own tests, you will appreciate that having invested significant money in test equipment, time and effort, it is a bit galling to have your efforts questioned and cast in an unfavourable light by fanboys or even certain manufacturers. There are far too many 'armchair curmudgeons' on forums that think their right of free speech should extend to being able to question the motives and ethics of those that have got out of the armchair and decided to try and contribute something positive to the sum of human knowledge. Some of them should really take a look at themselves in the mirror and decide whether they are truly adding any value by their contributions.

For any like Craig and Ilkka that get out of the armchair and contribute something positive, I have the highest respect.

 

[RMK!]

But at least EP-600 has dual voltage, you can choose 110V or 220V. Mine was configured to 110V, but I had to change it to 220V. It's not a difficult job, manual explains it clearly.

The EP-500 is dual voltage as well and it is exactly the same proceedure for the voltage change and yes it is clearly described in the manual.

 

[mike c]

like I told several members here via pm ... this was my fault in plugging it in 220v

I was not blaming axiom for MY mistake. I was just venting that things could have been a whole lot different had I bought an SVS PC ultra or a Velo DD-15

my story continues here:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169551#post169551

 

[RMK!]

Buyers Remorse

like I told several members here via pm ... this was my fault in plugging it in 220v

I was not blaming axiom for MY mistake. I was just venting that things could have been a whole lot different had I bought an SVS PC ultra or a Velo DD-15

my story continues here:
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=169551#post169551

You may want to give the EP a listen before crying in your beer about it.

 

[mike c]

You may want to give the EP a listen before crying in your beer about it.

I've only "lost" money twice before.
10USD equivalent stolen from my wallet by the household help (that was more than a decade ago)
and
100+USD where a customer bounced a check on me (the amount was a lot bigger but I was able to collect the rest - this was a few years ago)

now these 2, I will never forget the rest of my life.

But, I can't help but feel that I lost 1000USD when I look at the non-working sub. I am already considering the sub a "loss" for me and thus was not looking to ASK axiom to do anymore for me.

so, SQ wise, I can only imagine how much better the axiom ep500 is over the CHT-15R. actually, YOU can answer me that question. you had a DLS-5000R ... comments?

what next? 10,000USD?!!!

 

[craigsub]

Mike - All you really need to do is ask the guys at Axiom for some help. I cannot tell you how many times guys have had problems, and the factory sends out the necessary part to fix it, and everyone is happy.

As you say, you are not that "savvy" about this stuff - TELL them you are not able to handle this on your own. No company among the better known ID companies will leave you hanging with a dead product.

 

[mike c]

hi craig, I did ask for help, and amie is offering help right now.
I know my situation is unique because I am in another country. (heck, another continent)

the sub is in 3 pieces right now (amp, driver, enclosure) and all I can say is, each part is very very heavy. I can only handle the weight of one part at any one time. when it was all together, I could only slide the sub or tilt it around. (i put rags at the 4 feet)