Anybody else upset?

[Buckle-meister]

Then I don't understand what your previous response to me represented.

(sigh) I knew you would ask.

My comment was a subtle hint that, were I to say what was in my mind, you and I would fall out rapidly. However, your following post, which included a changed my interpretation of your previous post's direct words and thereby my current regard for you.

Regards

 

[Tomorrow]

If you read my post to Buckle-Meister, you would have realized this was a joke - funny to me, but maybe not to you. I apologize if you were offended, but I was seriously just trying to be funny (in my own disturbed way).

Yeah, you're a regular Jay Leno.

I went back to read the mod statement regarding this chapter of Audioholics. It says that flaming is perfectly acceptable (here only). So Admin, if you're out there, please leave this idiot's personal attack, er, I mean humor and wisdom post where it is.

 

[Buckle-meister]

Admin...Please have the above post removed. This kind of personal attack...illuminates the ignorance...of the poster.

As opposed to your arrogance?

Admin, if you're out there, please leave this idiot's personal attack...

Try not to be too much of a hypocrite.

 

[brian32672]

Although flame wars are ok here, it still is polite not to attack an individual. And it will show in other posts of the forum. Honestly, most here try to get along... Just my 2

 

[racquetman]

Yeah, you're a regular Jay Leno.

I went back to read the mod statement regarding this chapter of Audioholics. It says that flaming is perfectly acceptable (here only). So Admin, if you're out there, please leave this idiot's personal attack, er, I mean humor and wisdom post where it is.

Since anything goes here I could easily fire back at this post, but I won't. I can tell you that I was serious when I said I was joking. Even after being called ignorant (which I'm not, I'm actually very well educated and knowledgeable on many topics) I tried to make peace by giving this person a chicklet and offering my apologies. What did I get for my effort at peace? I got another verbal lashing and attack on my character.

If you don't understand or appreciate my sense of humor that is fine. But you seem to think you are better than me. You seem to think your opinions some how hold more value than mine and others. As Buckle-Meister pointed out, your posts are amazingly hypocritical. No one should take themselves so seriously, especially not in the steam vent.

As far as the thread actually goes, I shouldn't have agreed with what you said. After thinking about it more, the tsunami was a much bigger tragedy than this. Those people had no warning and no chance to evacuate. The hurricane victims knew many days ahead of time and were given a mandatory evacuation order. What good is an early warning system if people don't listen? The tragedy of the hurricane is that most of the deaths could have easily been avoided if people would have simply heeded the warnings.

 

[majorloser]

No matter where we live.
No matter what background we come from.
No matter what your beliefs.
No matter what our place in this world.

We are all human beings and part of this planet.

It is your choice to help out your fellow man.

My heart and prayers go out to the victims of all natural disasters. These are events that were not of their choosing nor an act of mankind's involvement. Nobody would choose to have the life they know ripped out from under them or to stand by helplessly and lose a loved one.

Just remember how lucky we are and appreciate life.

 

[brian32672]

Honestly, I have not been watching tv the last few days. But I just got off the phone with majorloser (Dave), and he made some real good points. The people of LA, were already poor (in comparison of tsunami tragedy), The tsunami, the water had subsided within days. From my understanding the water here might not be dry until December. So if a person is lucky, they guy might of had a wallet for id purposes. These people, are also (40,000) will be taken into the arms of Texas. Into the Astrodome. As of now, there is no way to get into the stranded, other than by boat. But the water flooding back out of the now totalled towns is ebbing back, so boating is even hard. Estimate is at 1,000 dead. Which is no way comparison to the tsunami, but a trajedy is exactly that. Other trajedy's where U.S. finally stepped in, hmm lets say Hitler with the millions killed. I'm rambling.
But human life is something we all should appreciate. I happen to be living proof of that.
I am assuming, that the New Orleans and surrounding areas will not even resemble a town for about 3 years. That are was already, that was just a lot of small shacks as homes. So to say America is the richest country that does not need aid, is certainly no help in my book. We aid other poor area countries on a daily basis. We help rebuild all the time. Fly in food, and medical supplies, and start rebuilding efforts as soon as possible.
Once again, I'm rambling....
But 1 chicklet for all those people here may be in order, Gene or Clint

 

[furrycute]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_world_offers

 

[Nomo]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/katrina_world_offers

Nice post, nice article. What I find disturbing is our government's (Bush's) arrogance. I can somewhat understand the tendancy after 9/11 to not let strangers on our shores, but this percieved arrogance is a big factor in our "Ugly American" status around the world. If other countries are offering help, let them help. Sure, maybe we're the richest country in the world. I'm proud of that. But right now, watching helpless Americans on CNN, I'm not feeling like I'm king of the mountain anymore. Maybe as a country, it's time we wake up and realize we are no better and just a vulnerable as everybody else. 9/11 should have made that clear. Personally, it didn't for me. Let's face it Katrina has practically brought us, or at least a large part of our poplulation, to our knees.
Let's wake up.

 

[shokhead]

rjbudz,

There are tragedies all over the world every day. You only get to hear about the ones the media decides are important. They happen all over the world. Big ones and little ones. Everyone suffers. I just watched some special on 60 minutes a couple days ago about a race of people (Darforians?) getting exterminated in the Sudan.

Many Americans cry when something happens to them, but could care less about other global tragedies (not all, but some). Like I said, just get some perspective. I am donating money to help out. I am saddened by this disaster. I'm not trying to rank suffering.

We care so less we are the most giving nation in the world and when someone else needs help,the long arm comes here first.

 

[shokhead]

Nice post, nice article. What I find disturbing is our government's (Bush's) arrogance. I can somewhat understand the tendancy after 9/11 to not let strangers on our shores, but this percieved arrogance is a big factor in our "Ugly American" status around the world. If other countries are offering help, let them help. Sure, maybe we're the richest country in the world. I'm proud of that. But right now, watching helpless Americans on CNN, I'm not feeling like I'm king of the mountain anymore. Maybe as a country, it's time we wake up and realize we are no better and just a vulnerable as everybody else. 9/11 should have made that clear. Personally, it didn't for me. Let's face it Katrina has practically brought us, or at least a large part of our poplulation, to our knees.
Let's wake up.

Lets not forget,Katrina is small as to what it will be like in SoCal when the big one hits. Are they ready for that?

 

[Takeereasy]

They were showing on the news here (Canada) all the stuff we have lined up to get to you guys, including thousands of troops, a medical ship (believe me thats like half our navy), $300,000,000 worth of medical supplies, choppers, transport planes, and on and on and on. Now that Bush finally is willing to take the help I hope it gets there in time to help somebody. The news up here has been very critical of the US govt's response to this situation. There has been a few reports wondering why your military can get water purification centers set up in Iraq in 2 days and not at all in your own country. Also I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but the US is trying to bribe/blackmail Canada for free wood to rebuild with. Right now something like 24% of the wood the US uses for construction comes from Canada. We produce the wood very cheaply and with govt. subsidizing so to "level the playing field" the US inacted a 21% tax on all wood from Canada. Now there are promises to remove the tax if we give millions of dollars worth of free wood to help rebuild. Good call, bribe us with offers of dropping a 21% tax that only affects your economy if we give you the product you need to buy now more than ever for free. Looting, rioting, privateering, price-gouging, govt colusion. It's all going to hell in a hand basket for those poor people still stuck in the damaged areas. I've always liked Bush, but seriously he screwed the pooch on this one royally IMO.

 

[shokhead]

They were showing on the news here (Canada) all the stuff we have lined up to get to you guys, including thousands of troops, a medical ship (believe me thats like half our navy), $300,000,000 worth of medical supplies, choppers, transport planes, and on and on and on. Now that Bush finally is willing to take the help I hope it gets there in time to help somebody. The news up here has been very critical of the US govt's response to this situation. There has been a few reports wondering why your military can get water purification centers set up in Iraq in 2 days and not at all in your own country. Also I don't know how many of you are aware of this, but the US is trying to bribe/blackmail Canada for free wood to rebuild with. Right now something like 24% of the wood the US uses for construction comes from Canada. We produce the wood very cheaply and with govt. subsidizing so to "level the playing field" the US inacted a 21% tax on all wood from Canada. Now there are promises to remove the tax if we give millions of dollars worth of free wood to help rebuild. Good call, bribe us with offers of dropping a 21% tax that only affects your economy if we give you the product you need to buy now more than ever for free. Looting, rioting, privateering, price-gouging, govt colusion. It's all going to hell in a hand basket for those poor people still stuck in the damaged areas. I've always liked Bush, but seriously he screwed the pooch on this one royally IMO.

Well whats the rush. Bush is high and dry.

 

[majorloser]

I'm sure somebody else out there will chime in to this.

There has been PLENTY of times the United States has offered assistance to other nations and the assistance has been rejected.

I don't think the issue is whether or not the United States should accept help from others. We should be able to handle this situation on our own. We have the resources and the manpower.

In times of crisis, help always seems to be too slow. After hurricane Andrew, the people who lived in Homestead, FL said the same thing because trucks couldn't make it down to them. Roads were impassable. There was major looting and gun play in South Florida too. When primal needs are no longer met, mankind gets mean. This is the same situation for southern Mississippi.

But New Orleans and the flooded areas are a logistics nightmare. When helicopters are the only means to get to some of these areas, rapid response is near impossible. Where do you get fuel? Where do you land? How may people can you evacuate per trip? Boats may not be the answer either. And lets not forget that all of these assets have to come from somewhere else since the local stuff more than likely was damaged.

Hats off to the people of Houston!!!!! They are making a major contribution to the situation.

Let's not forget, local and state governments are the first responders to any emergency. The federal government is second. When you add in the response time for Department of Defense assets to domestic issues, it can seem like a lifetime.

 

[racquetman]

We care so less we are the most giving nation in the world and when someone else needs help,the long arm comes here first.

Are you sure we are the most giving nation in the world? What's your source? How do you measure that? As a percentage of a nation's wealth, or strickly by dollar amounts? Is it worth giving all this money away if it just puts a country further in debt?

I wasn't talking about governments anyway. I'm talking individual people, and I said some, not all. You have to agree that many Americans could care less what happens outside their country. I'm sure that could be said of every country.

The thread was about people complaining other countries weren't helping which I completely disagreed with. Furrycute kindly verified that this wasn't true with the article he posted. Like I said, our media decides what you get to know. Apparently they don't think it's worth mentioning that many countries are offering assistance.

 

[furrycute]

I'm wondering the same thing. If we can setup water purification facilities that quickly in Iraq and after the Tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, how come we still don't have water purification facilities set up in New Orleans, almost a WEEK after the storm passed?

Am I missing something here?

And the news media, why are we blaming the victims of this storm? If the federal government could have sent in help quickly, none of this looting would have occured.

Place yourself in their shoes, what would you have done in their place, when you have gone on days without food, water, clean clothes, breathing in hot, putrid, stifling air, deadly heat? Would any of us acted differently?

Where are all those big military transport helicopters that can transport 15-20 people? All I've seen up to date are small chopters that can carry at most 4-5 people.

Where are those small transport ships that can safely navigate through shallow waters?

Where are those military ground transports? Amphibious transports that can go through shallow water (solves the bus problem)?


Where are all those national resources? Most of them in Iraq I presume.

 

[rr2465]

Our hearts go out but...

Our hearts of course go out to everybody stuck in the mess right now. But how would we act? I'd like to think that I wouldn't be shooting a weapon at helicopters and doctors who are trying to help. I'd like to think that I wouldn't be stealing Nike basketball shoes from the local stores. I can understand a certain deterioration in basic ethics but some of the events that have been covered by the media are unexcuseable.

 

[claudermilk]

I've been lurking, watching the argument develop here. That article kind to puts to rest the initial complaint of this thread. Now if that idiot Bush (no, I didn't vote for him) would just accept the offers of aid. It seems to me that we could use all those helicopters offered for one. If nothing else it allows some countries that have been on the receiving end of US aid (or otherwise) to give something back--makes everyone warm & fuzzy. Sometimes I just hate our gov'mint.

I'm sure we have plenty of the equipment you mentioned, it's just not right there & someone is probably sitting on their thumb instead of getting it moved.

As for SoCal's preparedness, we' re as ready as we can be <checks desk's sturdyness>.

 

[majorloser]

Where are all those big military transport helicopters that can transport 15-20 people? All I've seen up to date are small chopters that can carry at most 4-5 people.

As I recall, one of the helicopters that was shot at was a Chinook. They don't get much bigger than that! There are plenty of airlift helicopters capable of holding many people. The problem is that not all helicopters have the proper equipment to hoist a person up. They can land and pick people up.

It would be nice if you could get some LCAC's down the streets. That would move some people fast! Could move buses, too.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/factfile/ships/ship-lcac.html

 

[brian32672]

I'm wondering the same thing. If we can setup water purification facilities that quickly in Iraq and after the Tsunami disaster in Southeast Asia, how come we still don't have water purification facilities set up in New Orleans, almost a WEEK after the storm passed?

Ask majorloser that question, he runs a city water plant.
EDIT:: Thats also where he can view all the pretty lab chicks