American Communist Med Students graduate

[Davemcc]

Please explain what you mean by "support for China". Has the U.S. entered into some mutual protection treaty, formal or informal alliance, sent arms and supplies to China or made any otherwise overt gesture of friendship to China? Or is it just that the U.S. has backed out of it's support of Taiwan because it knows that China is very serious about its threat of nuclear war if America intervenes in Taiwan, especially as it grows to become a serious conventional and nuclear threat in the Pacific.

 

[Johnd]

Please explain what you mean by "support for China".

Somewhere around Chiang's death in the 70's and the empowerment of the Carter administration, we stopped supporting Taiwan not because of anything that Taiwan did, but because of China...our continued support of Taiwan would thwart ties with China.

I hear what you're saying, but you're apparently not hearing me (or all of my message). I think Chiang was a noble man and a great leader. But Mao certainly had his attributes as well. We did not wholly support the rebellion, nor the takeover of Taiwan...we did what served our best interests at the time. And we have vacillated. Our continued non-support of Taiwan for the past thirty years is an indirect endorsement of China's takeback of Taiwan. Like it or not.

You speak of democracy and supporting democracies throughout the world. Where has our support of Taiwan been for the past three decades (other than being a main purchaser of all those things they produce)? It is narrow-minded to not realize this, and that our support now for an independent Taiwan would most likely prompt China to sever all ties with us (would you like that?) and take back Taiwan by force.

I understand what you've written and I empathize. I even agree with some of what you've written. But politicking is not as simple as "supporting democracy".

 

[stratman]

It's really no different to the American Oath of Allegiance. Both are simply a collection of words. Both are mouthed by people. Neither guarantees the person will follow through.

Actions will always speak louder than words.

Robbie don't forget , myriads have given their life after mouthing these words. Those brave and noble enough to have gone to their graves for such words and what they stand for have followed through, this nation has always been one to follow through, we have our way of life because they believed in those words. Not many others can say that. Hated, we still feed the world, maligned we still extend our hand of frienship. America over the years has more than walked the talk, when pushed to war and victory we have rebuilt the enemy's country, when disaster strikes, men and women that have mouthed those words are there unloading choppers full of food and medicine. Usually in some country where the mantra is "down with the USA."

For anyone to say this country should become subservient to the world community, that we owe something to the rest of the world specially after all this country has done is outright treasonous in my eyes, we don't owe anyone anything and we as a people never ask back for what we give.

Back in the day kids were taught good citizenship, civics and the importance of this country, the sacrifice and efforts mustered forth by our forefathers, now the public school system is bought and paid for by all kinds of radical unions with their lackeys at the helm, they brutalize our traditions, misspeak of our history and forefathers as if they're to blame for every malignancy that has befallen the world since the begining, our kids are taught to be citizens of the world, the US is just one among the many, hence the brainwashing to discourage patriotism starts at an early age, in my opinion two to three generations will see this country as John would like to see it, happily I won't be around. I've seen the cost of socialism, I live in a city where the majority has had their lives destroyed by socialism and the collective. What they couldn't do to this country with nukes, they're doing it through our children, its just a matter of time. I don't live with my head in the sand, my problem is that my eyes are wide open and I posses enough common sense to see the coming tidal wave, subtle as it might be now. Just ripples.

 

[Johnd]

Robbie don't forget , myriads have given their life after mouthing these words. Those brave and noble enough to have gone to their graves for such words and what they stand for have followed through, this nation has always been one to follow through, we have our way of life because they believed in those words. Not many others can say that. Hated, we still feed the world, maligned we still extend our hand of frienship. America over the years has more than walked the talk, when pushed to war and victory we have rebuilt the enemy's country, when disaster strikes, men and women that have mouthed those words are there unloading choppers full of food and medicine. Usually in some country where the mantra is "down with the USA."

For anyone to say this country should become subservient to the world community, that we owe something to the rest of the world specially after all this country has done is outright treasonous in my eyes, we don't owe anyone anything and we as a people never ask back for what we give.

Back in the day kids were taught good citizenship, civics and the importance of this country, the sacrifice and efforts mustered forth by our forefathers, now the public school system is bought and paid for by all kinds of radical unions with their lackeys at the helm, they brutalize our traditions, misspeak of our history and forefathers as if they're to blame for every malignancy that has befallen the world since the begining, our kids are taught to be citizens of the world, the US is just one among the many, hence the brainwashing to discourage patriotism starts at an early age, in my opinion two to three generations will see this country as John would like to see it, happily I won't be around. I've seen the cost of socialism, I live in a city where the majority has had their lives destroyed by socialism and the collective. What they couldn't do to this country with nukes, they're doing it through our children, its just a matter of time. I don't live with my head in the sand, my problem is that my eyes are wide open and I posses enough common sense to see the coming tidal wave, subtle as it might be now. Just ripples.

Why don't you define patriotism for us...before googling it?

And then define for us good citizenship.

Finally, before you rip on Socialism, it is that very ideology whereby you received your free education.

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

NOT.

It is akin to the Chinese arming a communist revolution and chasing the President of the United States, Congress, Senate and Supreme Court to Ellis Island, then by having conquered America by force of arms claiming that Ellis Island should also belong to them.

Domestic issue my rear end. After fifty years of successfully operating an independent, free and democratic nation, Taiwan has earned the support and recognition of the other free and democratic nations to prevent it's enslavement at the hands of the communists that used force of arms to take the rest of China.

Johnd, let me summarize what I have learned of your foreign policy goals.

The U.S. should not protect or support current or fledgling democracies if there might be conflict.

There is no inherent difference between communism and democracy. It doesn't matter what political system controls a nation.

We should not defend America's continental security from hostile nations. In fact, we should support the economies of our enemies.

We should compromise with our enemies and give them some of what they need to hurt us.

We should subvert American national interests to a consensus of foreign nations.

Threats to national security will go away if we pretend they don't exist.

I think that covers it pretty well.

Dave,
Very well interpreted.

You have interpreted his arguments so clearly and plainly.......that not even he can take ownership of his own views publicly in this forum. He'll say that your interpretations of his positions are wrong, while continuing to argue for the 'exact' above positions in his followup posts

 

[Johnd]

Dave,
Very well interpreted.

You have interpreted his arguments so clearly and plainly.......that not even he can take ownership of his own views publicly in this forum.

You're such a democratic. Your view above is actually rather Stalinist and repressive in nature...read your history.

Why not proffer something productive...after all, you're the nut that originally posted this thread. Yet you refuse to acknowledge the rather poignant post #131.

 

[stratman]

Why don't you define patriotism for us...before googling it?

And then define for us good citizenship.

Finally, before you rip on Socialism, it is that very ideology whereby you received your free education.

My parents were smart enough to work hard, save and pay for my private education, so much for your free socialist clap trap. Which is what I'm doing for my son. And I will instill that value in him.

My definition of a patriot, that's easy, anyone who doesn't stand for what you espouse, who puts the best interest of his country at heart, that acknowledges past sacrifices made by those willing to put their lives on the line for a free society where a person has the right to choose his destiny without abusive government intervention.

Good citizenship, that's too easy, anyone who is willing to sacrifice, who stands up when called, that doesn't take the easy way out, self-reliant and trustworthy. This may sound like Boy Scout rhetoric to you, but alas this country needs more Boy Scouts.

 

[furrycute]

Your words inspire me! I am sure that all the chicken hawks in this country are just dying to send their sons and daughters to the front lines in Iraq!


Before you point any fingers at me for disrespecting our servicemen, let me point out that I have the deepest respect and sympathies for our enlisted men and women over there in Iraq, especially those injured, maned, and those who gave their lives in service to this country. I just find it strange that those who are the most vocal proponents of the war and our continued presence in Iraq are not making any PERSONAL sacrifices in this war effort, i.e. none of them have sent their grown up kids to the front lines to get maned and to get killed. It is just so easy to talk about sacrifices when you are sending someone else's kids out there to lose a limb or two, or to get killed.

 

[Johnd]

My parents were smart enough to work hard, save and pay for my private education, so much for your free socialist clap trap. Which is what I'm doing for my son. And I will instill that value in him.

Then forgive me for the "insult". You are amongst an elite few if you never had any public education whatsoever (kindergarten, elementary, middle school, secondary, post secondary or graduate). You are not in the norm. Most in America have received some form of public education. Yet you insult both them and the system (imperfect as it is).

Why am I not surprised?

 

[avaserfi]

Then forgive me for the "insult". You are amongst an elite few if you never had any public education whatsoever (kindergarten, elementary, middle school, secondary, post secondary or graduate). You are not in the norm. Most in America have received some form of public education. Yet you insult both them and the system (imperfect as it is).

Why am I not surprised?

You act as if the American education system is free and it isn't. Everyone is supposed to pay taxes. Just because you pay for your education indirectly does not mean you are not paying for it. All that ends up happening is some people pay proportionately less for their families education than others. Just like would happen with universal health care. The subsidization that make their way to these systems aren't generously handed out by the government they are taken from the people and given back to the people.

edit: I have been in both private and public education settings and am currently paying an arm and a leg for my college education just for the record.

 

[Buckle-meister]

...don't forget , myriads have given their life after mouthing these words...

I haven't forgotton and I didn't mean to do a disservice to those who have seen the words through. All I tried to put across was how hollow words by themselves are.

My parents were smart enough to work hard, save and pay for my private education...

My parents were smart enough to work hard and save but never could've afforded to put me through private education. I didn't put in nearly the effort I should've at school and as a result I've got to where I am, in just as good a position as could be achieved by one privately educated, by hauling myself though further, further and even further education.

As an aside, there's a girl at work (summer student) who's going through Cambridge University (very prestigious) at present. She may well be highly educated; she certainly speaks good English, but to me she is just a silly little girl with rich parents who's no clue as to the value of things. How could she; she's probably never wanted for anything.

Being privately educated doesn't impress me whatsoever.

 

[Johnd]

You act as if the American education system is free and it isn't. Everyone is supposed to pay taxes. Just because you pay for your education indirectly does not mean you are not paying for it. All that ends up happening is some people pay proportionately less for their families education than others. Just like would happen with universal health care. The subsidization that make their way to these systems aren't generously handed out by the government they are taken from the people and given back to the people.

edit: I have been in both private and public education settings and am currently paying an arm and a leg for my college education just for the record.

Boy oh boy. Where did I write that our public education is free?

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

You're such a democratic. Your view above is actually rather Stalinist and repressive in nature...read your history.

Why not proffer something productive...after all, you're the nut that originally posted this thread. Yet you refuse to acknowledge the rather poignant post #131.

Post 131 is irrelevant because the communist Americans educated by "Castro U" will probably never get board certified, nor will they treat a single patient inside American borders legally without such certifications. That's part of what makes this pro-Castro fluff piece so funny, because their communist education is nothing more than a Castro publicity stunt.

These docs will probably fade away and end up with a rudimentary first-aid kit treating bug bites and boils somewhere in a 3rd world country. Not that there is anything wrong with that........

Doing such is very honorable indeed!!


PS... I realize the American commies got big headlines for graduating from Castro-U, but dont expect the same big headlines when the Commies flunk their certification.

 

[avaserfi]

Why don't you define patriotism for us...before googling it?

And then define for us good citizenship.

Finally, before you rip on Socialism, it is that very ideology whereby you received your free education.

Pretty sure it was right there...had me worried at first thought I got lost in the fun that is this thread. Took me a minute to find since this is moving so fast .

 

[stratman]

Your words inspire me! I am sure that all the chicken hawks in this country are just dying to send their sons and daughters to the front lines in Iraq!


Before you point any fingers at me for disrespecting our servicemen, let me point out that I have the deepest respect and sympathies for our enlisted men and women over there in Iraq, especially those injured, maned, and those who gave their lives in service to this country. I just find it strange that those who are the most vocal proponents of the war and our continued presence in Iraq are not making any PERSONAL sacrifices in this war effort, i.e. none of them are sending their grown up kids to the front lines to get maned and to die. It just so easy to talk about sacrifices when you are asking someone else's kids to go out there and lose a limb or two or to get killed.

I signed up for selective service when I was 18, if called to duty back then I would have gone, I wouldn't have crossed the border to Canada, my son is 4 years old so obviously he can't go, hopefully if he's ever called to duty he would understand what the ultimate sacrifice is. Its ridiculous to say anyone likes war.

 

[Johnd]

Post 131 is irrelevant because I the communist Americans educated by "Castro U" will not treat a single patient inside American borders. That's part of what makes this pro-Castro fluff piece so funny, because their education is nothing but a pro-commie publicity stunt.

These docs will fade away and end up with a rudimentary first-aid kit treating bug bites and boils somewhere in a 3rd world country. Not that there is anything wrong with that........ It's very honorable indeed!!

Boy you're a presumptuous cuss. Read your own attachment (Reuters). The Americans themselves say this is the very thing that they're going to do in the story you reference.

You reference a story from Reuters, bash it apparently after only reading the headline, and then when called out, you pick and choose which parts of it are true, and which are not. Ahhhh, the future of America.

 

[furrycute]

...According to some sources budget cutters apparently reduced this number from six. However, China’s projected submarine fleet build-up makes the current U.S. SSN fleet of 55 SSNs seem inadequate."

You seriously believe that China, with an annual military budget that is 1/10 that of our, within the next 2 years (2010 according to your sources) can build up a naval fleet that will surpass ours in number and in strength? If you believe all this fear mongering then I want to sell you some prime real estate on the moon.

All this fear mongering and bogus "projections" are cooked up by defense contractors that want bigger contracts from the government.

Future projections are meaningless, especially projections 10 years into the future. Case in point. Year 2000, I remember someone at the time famously said: "...we will an annual budget surplus of over $10 billion each year for the next 10 years!..."

 

[stratman]

Then forgive me for the "insult". You are amongst an elite few if you never had any public education whatsoever (kindergarten, elementary, middle school, secondary, post secondary or graduate). You are not in the norm. Most in America have received some form of public education. Yet you insult both them and the system (imperfect as it is).

Why am I not surprised?

Elite and rich? Hardly. We where an average middle-class American family, my father puts a good education above all, he sacrificed so his only son could be educated privately. I insult the system because the system is horrible corrupt, my wife was an elementary teacher in the public school system so I'm well aware of how it works and what it produces.

 

[furrycute]

I signed up for selective service when I was 18, if called to duty back then I would have gone...

If you want to qualify for financial aid for college and grad school, you HAVE to sign up for selective service. EVERYONE has to do it. And if a war does break out when you were signed up, and you were called upon, you HAVE to go.

Just for the record, I signed up for selective service when I started college, and renewed my membership for the next 7 years (all through grad school).

 

[Buckeye_Nut]

Boy you're a presumptuous cuss. Read your own attachment (Reuters). The Americans themselves say this is the very thing that they're going to do in the story you reference.

Once they get board certified and get their commie-clinic up and running............. you be sure to let me know, OK?


Until that time happens...........