Thanks again, when I said 2 to 3X I was going by feel, never did weigh them.

So now we know the heavier mic (not saying better), started with the AVP/5308 and ends with the 4308, well we don't know about the 4810, the odd ball cousin. My guess is that it probably did end with the 4810. After that Denon/Marantz seem to become more keen on reducing weight.