Is Unemployment Programs Making it Hard for me to Hire?

[psbfan9]

Here's whats going on in my area. I live in what is known as the RV capital of the world. Mobile homes, travel trailers, converted vans, double wides are all made in this area. This area took a big hit when the economy went south and more than rv manufacturers felt the pain. All the chain of supply companies, restaurants, retailers were affected. And this started, here anyway, in 2007.

About two years ago, we started to have a slight upswing. Mostly in manufacturing and retail. A few companies started to hire and would have lines around the block. 1000 people applying for 5-10 positions. What happened in the rv factories is they were hand picking the most qualified people but treating them like sh!t. If they complained, "There's the door, don't let it hit you in the a$$ on the way out". They had so many applicants they could get away with it. Other people were told they were over qualified and not hired.

People can take only so much before they stop bending over. I think those experiences are why some people are taking advantage of unemployment benefit extensions.

 

[adwilk]

Sure I can. What's wrong with that is there is so little work out there that the extensions have become necessary for a lot of people not to lose their homes be it owned or rented.

I don't have a problem with UI. Its entirely necessary. And yeah, any self-respecting individual uses it as needed and nothing more. Nothing wrong with a safety net for workers when work gets scarce.

BUT- up to well over a year without any proof of searching for work? Unfortunately the guy mentioned above isn't necessarily the majority. A LOT of people will take the bad economy excuse to their laziness bank and never even look for work. That I have a problem with.

Its not a stab at anybody thats used UI... thats what its there for. But, when the opportunity to take advantage of a system is available, you can't tell me a good percentage of people won't.

I've been in the south too long.

 

[Rickster71]

There are many people that need and deserve UI. But, Like all things there are others that cheat and ruin it for the honest folks.

It was mentioned on a talk radio station here, (a show with government employees calling in) that they know there is almost a 35% - 40% fraud rate in regards to government entitlement programs.
Government workers are aware of it, but realize that reporting it will result in less funding for their dept. Which would result in less money for raises and possible downsizing.

Why are some not interested in new jobs like Sensi's?
I think some realize they can live on less for a while.
Remember when women and society were convinced that going out into the workforce meant equality?
We were sold a bill of goods, B.S.
The powers that be, knew that more people in the workforce meant more taxable income. More money spent equals more money taxed.
Edward Bernays, the father of public relations and propaganda is laughing right now.

 

[psbfan9]

Why are some not interested in new jobs like Sensi's?


I think some realize they can live on less for a while.
Remember when women and society were convinced that going out into the workforce meant equality?
We were sold a bill of goods, B.S.

When I asked Sensi if he was targeting women for the position, I was kind of serious. I doubt many men would apply for this position. What are the wages for this type of position in his area? This ($12.50) seems to be fair to me, but if other places are paying $15.00 an hour that may be part of the problem. I tend to think long term.This is an initial starting wage with opportunity for advancement is what Sensi said. Is this mentioned in the ad?

Rick, could you explain this a little more? I have friend who makes the claim Rosie the Riveter is the cause of all of our current societal ills and the decline of western civilization. Is that what you're saying?

 

[Rickster71]

Rick, could you explain this a little more? I have friend who makes the claim Rosie the Riveter is the cause of all of our current societal ills and the decline of western civilization. Is that what you're saying?

Your friend would be wrong, IMHO.
Rosie came into existence because all able bodied men were enlisted in the war; so hard working and patriotic women filled in at many jobs in support of the war movement.
Edit: Those same women left the workforce when the men returned and production for war times ended.

I was talking more about psychology and sociology, and the way all of us are led to believe what we believe. I don't mean to sound conspiratorial, it's more in a marketing sense...molding public opinion.
It might help more to read up a little on Edward Bernays: Edward Bernays - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
He helped market for corporations, governments, political figures, etc.
One example of his work: When tobacco use leveled off, industries approached him to help boost sales.
In the 1920's he started a campaign that showed emancipated, worldly women 'smoking.' This helped to break the taboo against women smoking in public, thus increasing tobacco sales.

 

[Alex2507]

But, when the opportunity to take advantage of a system is available, you can't tell me a good percentage of people won't.

If I had a chance to make more by doing less I would take it and call it a promotion but UI is less. That pits greed against laziness and natural selection has shown that greed wins. People would rather work and make more. I didn't read a mess of these posts. I'm just paying attention to yours because you need the most correction.

... I want to take a bow for slipping in an anti creationist jab.

 

[adwilk]

If I had a chance to make more by doing less I would take it and call it a promotion but UI is less. That pits greed against laziness and natural selection has shown that greed wins. People would rather work and make more. I didn't read a mess of these posts. I'm just paying attention to yours because you need the most correction.

... I want to take a bow for slipping in an anti creationist jab.

some money for no time invested > than more money and 40 hours per week invested. The time/money value can't be exactly quantified, but to spend no time and make 20 grand a year might be worth 30 to some and maybe 40 to others. If people heavily value time it certainly is greed that wins while still exploiting the system.

Boom- Roasted.

 

[Alex2507]

some money for no time invested > than more money and 40 hours per week invested. The time/money value can't be exactly quantified, but to spend no time and make 20 grand a year might be worth 30 to some and maybe 40 to others. If people heavily value time it certainly is greed that wins while still exploiting the system.

Boom- Roasted.

I meant greed as it applies to money and I shouldn't have said 'greed wins every time'. Here and there you will find the odd person that is that lazy. I personally don't have much of a moral compass when it comes to money and am pretty much up for anything anytime for the right price. Less in terms of money blows. What the f^%& are you suppose to do with all your time if you ain't got cash? I would much rather have paid bills and be acquiring better toys than be sliding into debt. I just imagine most are like me.

If you had a chance to draw $500 a week on UI and make $1,000 a week under the table, would you take it?

 

[jinjuku]

Could an Admin change the thread caption and replace Is with Are.

The grammar error is killing me every time I see it

 

[Alex2507]

If you had a chance to draw $500 a week on UI and make $1,000 a week under the table, would you take it?

Even if was only for a little while ... to get ahead?

 

[MidnightSensi2]

When I asked Sensi if he was targeting women for the position, I was kind of serious. I doubt many men would apply for this position. What are the wages for this type of position in his area? This ($12.50) seems to be fair to me, but if other places are paying $15.00 an hour that may be part of the problem. I tend to think long term.This is an initial starting wage with opportunity for advancement is what Sensi said. Is this mentioned in the ad?

Rick, could you explain this a little more? I have friend who makes the claim Rosie the Riveter is the cause of all of our current societal ills and the decline of western civilization. Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, more women applied for that job than men, but we didn't really care either way as long as they were reliable. We filled it the other day with a women. 12.50 is actually a little high for the area, especially with our benefits. And yes, almost all our employees are promoted from within. For example our main buyer used to sweep the floors as a kid. My business is specialized, without getting into to much detail, and requires training. So, basically you just want to find a good, smart, person and then train them for most of the jobs.

If both a husband and wife are unemployed do they get double the check or is it lowered some (since they'd likely share apartment, basics, etc.)? I.e. if they are getting 21k a year, if there is a wife and husband, both unemployed, does that mean its 42k a year? What about kids?

I'd imagine the people who hire here know this, but, I'm just curious myself.

 

[lsiberian]

lmost all our employees are promoted from within. My business is specialized, without getting into to much detail, and requires training.

One could go a lot of ways with that. Congrats on finding someone.

 

[adwilk]

Even if was only for a little while ... to get ahead?

Its easy to hide behind a monitor and say I wouldn't. But, I honestly don't think I would. Both the fear of getting caught and the "right vs wrong" really do come into play. That said, I've never been in an overly desperate situation and I also don't have a family. As with any question of ethics, there will always be a circumstance in which all of us can justify a compromise.

 

[adwilk]

If both a husband and wife are unemployed do they get double the check or is it lowered some (since they'd likely share apartment, basics, etc.)? I.e. if they are getting 21k a year, if there is a wife and husband, both unemployed, does that mean its 42k a year? What about kids?

I'd imagine the people who hire here know this, but, I'm just curious myself.

The states that I'm familiar with don't take any of those other variables into consideration regarding unemployment benefits. Its based only on the income of the individual worker and benefits are determined by a percentage of the highest earning period in a specified time frame. There is a ceiling or maximum benefit. A six figure earner would qualify for the same benefit amount as a 35 or 40k earner.

Both a husband and wife can collect benefits simultaneously with no effect on individual amounts. Dependents are not considerations in application process.

Other programs certainly consider these factors, however.

 

[GO-NAD!]

...I personally don't have much of a moral compass when it comes to money and am pretty much up for anything anytime for the right price....

Maybe you should apply for this guy's old job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=greg smith&st=cse

 

[Alex2507]

Maybe you should apply for this guy's old job.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-goldman-sachs.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=greg smith&st=cse

I would but the fact that there was a page 2 to the story made reading all that make me want to take Adderall and alcohol. Please limit my reading material to 2 paragraphs ... max.

 

[Alex2507]

I was talking to a few other electricians last week, and they pretty much corroborated much of what was said above.
Guys want to get paid under the table and collect, or won't work until their benefits run out.

I thought electricians were smarter than that. While you're collecting, your UI funds are being depleted and when they run out your screwed if you are actually out of work like so many are these days.

Work is more money than UI but not as much as UI plus an under the table deal. However the problem there is that you don't contribute to an annuity fund (which for us is like $8/hr). That's our trade off for being the lowest paid of the skilled trades. You don't get any pension credit while you collect and you don't contribute to UI to enable a future claim.

About 10 years ago when there was work I heard a couple of guys laughing about another guy who depleted his UI fund. I didn't know the ins and outs as I had never collected before so I had to ask why that was bad for the individual. Well, it's no mystery now but after living on 1/2 pay for 6 months out of a year he had wiped out his safety net so for the next 6 months that it was going to take to enable another decent sized claim he was job dependent for an income. That was okay then as you could find work but now? ... well, jobs aren't abundant so anybody who wants to exhaust their UI fund isn't dealing with the same reality as me ... and electrical work is so easy!

Seriously I can't imagine somebody turning down work right about now. Maybe they're just talking like that as a cover for feeling desperate about not being able to find work, maybe it's because they're from Jersey, maybe their moms dropped them on their heads. I don't know.

If anybody reading this wants to hire me for anything ... call.

On the table, under the table, no furniture involvement ... whatever.

 

[Adam]

Creationism and natural selection aren't mutually exclusive.

Just sayin'.

I would have quoted Alex...but I figure that just throwing it out there would be more fun. "Religion? WTF?!"

Btw, Alex - if you lived around here, I'd hire you. And not in a sick way. You do good work.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Btw, Alex - if you lived around here, I'd hire you. And not in a sick way. You do good work.

I need a tissue.

 

[Adam]

I need a tissue.

Just don't let your wife catch you again...