Illegal Alien Costume causing uproar.....

[sawzalot]

This whole thread amuses me as African-Americans and Native Americans are pretty much the only people that didn't immigrate to the US somewhat illicitly. (Well, African-Americans didn't quite immigrate.)

Most people posting in this thread descended from illegal/semi-legal immigrants even if they "think" their ancestors came here perfectly in the clear.

But it is very obvious that this thread is not about a lesson in history it is about right now modern day issues affecting us as citizens of America.

 

[lsiberian]

No. It's extremely obvious that a lot of people here don't understand the immigration process. You don't fill out a few forms, wait a while, and then boom you're a citizen. If you don't have immediate family already legally here or an employer sponser then there's no guarantee you'll EVER get permission to become a citizen (you most likely will NOT), and the fees and other cost requirements are extremely prohibitive for most people from Mexico, where the minimum wage is about 4 dollars per DAY.

For you to repeatedly say "just fill out the forms" is ridiculous and demonstrates your ignorance of the situation.

I wouldn't call the guy ignorant. His wife is an immigrant.

He understand the process pretty well I bet. Plus my friend's husband got legal too so it can be done.

 

[markw]

This whole thread amuses me as African-Americans and Native Americans are pretty much the only people that didn't immigrate to the US somewhat illicitly. (Well, African-Americans didn't quite immigrate.)

Most people posting in this thread descended from illegal/semi-legal immigrants even if they "think" their ancestors came here perfectly in the clear.

Please define "illegal/semi-legal immigrants".

There was a time when we were a growing nation and we were a rapidly growing industrial country and welcomed people that were willing to work hard, learn, and blend into the culture without papers, but those boom times ended early the last century. They also learned the language of the land and asked nothing of this country except a chance to work.

Somehow, it seems that people creeping between the cracks to get into this country today feel free to demand free health care, all documents be printed in their language, schools cater to their non-English speaking brood. ..not to mention social services that are denied many Americans.

What's going on today is a travesty when you consider the Germans, Italians, and all other non-English speaking nationalities that came in a hundred years ago or so. If they could do what it takes to make it here, are you saying that today's illegals are too stupid or lazy to do the same?

Or are wet he stupid ones for handing it out to them for no effort on their part?

 

[NicolasKL]

I wouldn't call the guy ignorant. His wife is an immigrant.

He understand the process pretty well I bet. Plus my friend's husband got legal too so it can be done.

I don't care if he himself is an immigrant, what he's saying is flat out dumb. The US Gov. website basically says that if you don't have an employee or relative sponser you might as well not even try. Not to mention that the fees for just being able to seek work in the US amount to a years worth of work at the Mexican minimum wage.

 

[sawzalot]

No. It's extremely obvious that a lot of people here don't understand the immigration process. You don't fill out a few forms, wait a while, and then boom you're a citizen. If you don't have immediate family already legally here or an employer sponser then there's no guarantee you'll EVER get permission to become a citizen (you most likely will NOT), and the fees and other cost requirements are extremely prohibitive for most people from Mexico, where the minimum wage is about 4 dollars per DAY.

For you to repeatedly say "just fill out the forms" is ridiculous and demonstrates your ignorance of the situation.

If people want to do it legal there is always a means to do so, but of course those that find it soo much easier to break the law, come here as an illegal which in turn makes the process even harder yet for those that want to do it the right way.

 

[lsiberian]

This whole thread amuses me as African-Americans and Native Americans are pretty much the only people that didn't immigrate to the US somewhat illicitly. (Well, African-Americans didn't quite immigrate.)

Most people posting in this thread descended from illegal/semi-legal immigrants even if they "think" their ancestors came here perfectly in the clear.

Actually a lot of us have Native American ancestory. I've got some cherokee blood, but the european blood dominates.

 

[NicolasKL]

If people want to do it legal there is always a means to do so

Find me a source that outlines a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL method for a mexican to immigrate to the US that doesn't have a relative or employee sponser. Until you do so you're just talking out your ***.

 

[CraigV]

I don't care if he himself is an immigrant, what he's saying is flat out dumb. The US Gov. website basically says that if you don't have an employee or relative sponser you might as well not even try. Not to mention that the fees for just being able to seek work in the US amount to a years worth of work at the Mexican minimum wage.

OK, I don’t have first hand knowledge with the process or cost, so I’ll side with you. But, so what? What’s your point? Does that make us obliged to allow these parasites to leech off of us and cater to their every need and whim, and give nothing in return?

 

[markw]

I don't care if he himself is an immigrant, what he's saying is flat out dumb. The US Gov. website basically says that if you don't have an employee or relative sponser you might as well not even try. Not to mention that the fees for just being able to seek work in the US amount to a years worth of work at the Mexican minimum wage.

So, you're saying that if it's too much effort to do it the legal way it's all right to become an illegal?

I'd like to see you say thet to GM's wife. She'd rip your lungs out.

She went through it and so did/do many others.

Gee, using thst logic you seem to feel that if it's too much trouble and costs too much money to buy and register a car and buy insurance it's OK to steal someone elses, right?

Hey, that's all in the "pursuit of happiness" clause, isn't it

 

[highfigh]

No. It's extremely obvious that a lot of people here don't understand the immigration process. You don't fill out a few forms, wait a while, and then boom you're a citizen. If you don't have immediate family already legally here or an employer sponser then there's no guarantee you'll EVER get permission to become a citizen (you most likely will NOT), and the fees and other cost requirements are extremely prohibitive for most people from Mexico, where the minimum wage is about 4 dollars per DAY.

For you to repeatedly say "just fill out the forms" is ridiculous and demonstrates your ignorance of the situation.

You can't just trot out their $4/day typical wage without showing what their cost of living is. "1 Mexican peso = 0.077207 U.S. dollars", so $4/day comes to almost $52 and that's not much less than the US minimum wage. What's your point?

Part of the problem with many illegals is the fact that they were born and raised in small villages, which may, or may not, have a school. Many never spent much time in school if they even went at all. That means they'll either need to work their azzes off to learn new things or they'll always work in jobs that require no reading, writing, math, or advanced communications skills. What happens if they're injured? They certainly can't have insurance, AFLAC, or anything like that and if they don't pay income tax (which they won't if they only make minimum wage),their employer doesn't pay FICA for them and they don't contribute, the US taxpayers have to carry them.

What I would really like to see is a Mexican government that gives a crap about its people.

 

[sawzalot]

I don't care if he himself is an immigrant, what he's saying is flat out dumb. The US Gov. website basically says that if you don't have an employee or relative sponser you might as well not even try. Not to mention that the fees for just being able to seek work in the US amount to a years worth of work at the Mexican minimum wage.

So what a years worth of work to come here and start a new life legally , is that so bad ? I saved for many years to get what I wanted and made extreme sacrafices along the way.I like your statement to not even try, well that sounds like someone I really want here in our country , it just typifies the whole ordeal , well if my chances to do it legal are slim, ahh just screw it lets sneak in, B.S.

 

[highfigh]

This whole thread amuses me as African-Americans and Native Americans are pretty much the only people that didn't immigrate to the US somewhat illicitly. (Well, African-Americans didn't quite immigrate.)

Most people posting in this thread descended from illegal/semi-legal immigrants even if they "think" their ancestors came here perfectly in the clear.

You do know Native Americans are genetically linked to Asian people, right? They came over by crossing the land bridge and sailing from the Pacific Islands. However, there was no standing government at the time, so it was OK, right?

Don't blame only whites for enslaving Aficans- conquering warriors have always either killed the losing opponents or enslaved them and Africans are no different. They took members of other tribes and did the same or worse to their victims. How many Europeans did the Moors kill? How about the Ethiopians? Egyptians? Somalis? Kenyans? Look at Liberia now. It's still happening.

 

[highfigh]

Maybe you should move to a country that doesn't have freedom of speech then. Maybe China?

You just made my point for me.

 

[gmichael]

No. It's extremely obvious that a lot of people here don't understand the immigration process. You don't fill out a few forms, wait a while, and then boom you're a citizen. If you don't have immediate family already legally here or an employer sponsor then there's no guarantee you'll EVER get permission to become a citizen (you most likely will NOT), and the fees and other cost requirements are extremely prohibitive for most people from Mexico, where the minimum wage is about 4 dollars per DAY.

For you to repeatedly say "just fill out the forms" is ridiculous and demonstrates your ignorance of the situation.

1) I've been through the process. To say I am ignorant of it is ridiculous.
2) Life never comes with a guarantee of any kind. There was no guarantee that they would let my wife come here. I had to leave her behind for 9 months while we waited. Do you think that was easy? Do you really believe that I didn't explore EVERY LEGAL possibility to get her here ASAP?
3) You don't have to be a citizen to work here. That took us 8 years.
4) You don't have to have a green card to work here. That took 3 years.
5) You can get a work authorization to work here. That took a few months after she got here.
6) You do not have to be sponsored by anyone to apply and be approved for a visa. It just makes it easier.
7) My wife was making $20 per WEEK! She found a way.
8) I think the ignorant label you stuck on me, belongs on you.
9) JUST FILL OUT THE FORMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[highfigh]

Please define "illegal/semi-legal immigrants".

There was a time when we were a growing nation and we were a rapidly growing industrial country and welcomed people that were willing to work hard, learn, and blend into the culture without papers, but those boom times ended early the last century. They also learned the language of the land and asked nothing of this country except a chance to work.

Somehow, it seems that people creeping between the cracks to get into this country today feel free to demand free health care, all documents be printed in their language, schools cater to their non-English speaking brood. ..not to mention social services that are denied many Americans.

What's going on today is a travesty when you consider the Germans, Italians, and all other non-English speaking nationalities that came in a hundred years ago or so. If they could do what it takes to make it here, are you saying that today's illegals are too stupid or lazy to do the same?

Or are wet he stupid ones for handing it out to them for no effort on their part?

If you think people generally came here in the last 200+ years without papers, I'm pretty sure you're mistaken. They needed papers in the 1600s.

 

[gmichael]

I don't care if he himself is an immigrant, what he's saying is flat out dumb. The US Gov. website basically says that if you don't have an employee or relative sponser you might as well not even try. Not to mention that the fees for just being able to seek work in the US amount to a years worth of work at the Mexican minimum wage.

I'd like to see where it says that. I've been through hundreds of pages on their site and never saw anything that says that.


Oh, and please leave out the "dumb" comments. It only reflects on you.

 

[highfigh]

Find me a source that outlines a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL method for a mexican to immigrate to the US that doesn't have a relative or employee sponser. Until you do so you're just talking out your ***.

They can marry a US citizen, or have/father a child. Once this happens, they can even collect Social Security if they're disabled. They don't call those children 'anchor babies' for nothing.

 

[sawzalot]

Find me a source that outlines a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL method for a mexican to immigrate to the US that doesn't have a relative or employee sponser. Until you do so you're just talking out your ***.

Just as in every day life there are no guarantees, period.So there should be no guarantee that everyone gets here legally if some do excellent and for those that do not try again, and again, but at least try to go about it through legal process, that is the way it should be.I know it can be done as I have spent time with fine upstanding ,brand new legal immigrants that are so ecstatic to finally see a light at the end, One young man from Mexico had to go back to Mexico TWICE, as his documents expired, but now 12 years since he started his journey, he now lives here as a permanent resident. Oh I guess he found some secret loophole, yeah O.K.
There is not an instant way to be here unless you want to live as an illegal but when you really want something and exhaust every measure to achieve that goal usually it works out for the best.

* instant status-marriage (not always 100%)-woman giving birth here usually 100%.

 

[gmichael]

Find me a source that outlines a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL method for a mexican to immigrate to the US that doesn't have a relative or employee sponser. Until you do so you're just talking out your ***.

Please show me a source that says that breaking the law is a GUARANTEED SUCCESSFUL method for a mexican to immigrate to the US. If you can't, then who is it who's... Well. you know...

 

[gmichael]

Do we even know why we have laws anymore? Why bother? Lets all just run amuck, if it is what we want.