Firearms discussion - hardware only, no politics

[Cpt.America]

Kimber is having some MAJOR quality control issues with thier 1911s, and have been the last couple years. Currently, they are close to the bottom of the totem pole in reliability, in the 1911 market. There are MUCH better choices out there currently.

 

[Tomorrow]

I wonder if this guy has time/money enough for two hobbies (including a/v, natch).....

 

[jonnythan]

Anyone else notice the flamethrowers on the wall?

I wonder what the couches is pointed at.

 

[Cpt.America]

I like the tommy guns

 

[Tomorrow]

....and all I want is one lousy FN FAL.

 

[itschris]

Kimber is having some MAJOR quality control issues with thier 1911s, and have been the last couple years. Currently, they are close to the bottom of the totem pole in reliability, in the 1911 market. There are MUCH better choices out there currently.

I've heard that said about Kimber... and just about every other manf. as well. My brother in law literally owns 5 Kimber 1911 - 3 in .45 and 2 in 9mm.

Last year when he came down we went to the range. I'd say we put close to400 rounds of range ammo through his cqw with zero malfunctions. When I was up there, we probably put over a thousand rounds through 2 of his Kimbers with only one FTE that I remember... but we're talking about a pretty filthy gun at that point and in pretty cold outdoor weather (he belongs to a private gun club)

Either way, I just don't believe the "Kimbers are junk" sentiment. Hell, my gun shop had to send my COLT back for serious feeding problems when I first got it a 4 years or so ago.

 

[GlocksRock]

I have one of the older Kimber Classic Custom 1911s before the series II when the started using MIM parts, and it has been excellent, but if I were to get another one, I would have to consider a different brand.

 

[Cpt.America]

I've heard that said about Kimber... and just about every other manf. as well. My brother in law literally owns 5 Kimber 1911 - 3 in .45 and 2 in 9mm.

Last year when he came down we went to the range. I'd say we put close to400 rounds of range ammo through his cqw with zero malfunctions. When I was up there, we probably put over a thousand rounds through 2 of his Kimbers with only one FTE that I remember... but we're talking about a pretty filthy gun at that point and in pretty cold outdoor weather (he belongs to a private gun club)

Either way, I just don't believe the "Kimbers are junk" sentiment. Hell, my gun shop had to send my COLT back for serious feeding problems when I first got it a 4 years or so ago.

That's great, and im happy for you. When you get a good gun from Kimber, you have yourself a good gun. But... just as often, the buyer ends up with a piece of you-know-what that spends more time at the shop than at the range. And im not talking about a onzey or twozey, im talking about a very high percentage. The frequency has shot up dramatically in the last few years and it is a commonly known issue amongst the 1911 die hards.

So if you have a slighly older Kimber (i don't know, maybe 6 or 7 years old), then it is probably a fantatic piece. If you were to go buy a brand new one today, it would be a gamble.

Spend any amount of time on any of the 1911 forums talking to the gurus, and you will see this has been a wide spread issues with the NEWEST 1911s from kimber.

 

[unreal.freak]

Ive always had very good service out of my Taurus hand guns. They also make a very nice 1911. I read in one of the handgun mags, that it was the best bang for the buck at that time, for a 1911. Just a thought. I have held a few of them and they feel good and we all know what quality Taurus puts out.

Peace,
Tommy

 

[itschris]

That's great, and im happy for you. When you get a good gun from Kimber, you have yourself a good gun. But... just as often, the buyer ends up with a piece of you-know-what that spends more time at the shop than at the range. And im not talking about a onzey or twozey, im talking about a very high percentage. The frequency has shot up dramatically in the last few years and it is a commonly known issue amongst the 1911 die hards.

So if you have a slighly older Kimber (i don't know, maybe 6 or 7 years old), then it is probably a fantatic piece. If you were to go buy a brand new one today, it would be a gamble.

Spend any amount of time on any of the 1911 forums talking to the gurus, and you will see this has been a wide spread issues with the NEWEST 1911s from kimber.

The latest one he got... the CQB was 2 years old. Either way, I hear what you're saying and perhaps I should do some more research. If the problems really are that widespread, I'll just go with Wilson Combat or get something from the Springfield Custom shop though the cost is greater and the wait time a lot longer.

I'm in no real hurry. I'm actually trying to get my crap together to get an tactical AR put together. That should be my focus.

 

[Cpt.America]

WIlson Combat's 1911 are in an entirely different league than even the best Kimber. I would DEFINITLY go that route if funds permit Also look at Les Bear 1911s, and Ed Brown 1911s. The top 3 1911 manufacturers in the world.

 

[itschris]

I was trying to keep it simple and just get a decent gun. It's not that I want to avoid the custom route, but I'd like to think I can just go buy a nice gun and not worry about waiting weeks or months to get something with most of the features I want.

Bob Cogan of Accurate Plating & Weaponry has built a few of my guns for me over the past 15 or so years. He's a guy I trust. I really ought to just worry about getting an AR rather than getting all wrapped up in another custom 1911.

Thanks for the good advice.

 

[Cpt.America]

In my opinion, the single best performing 1911 that is NOT custom, and doesn't carry a cusom price tag, but is damn close to shooting like one, is the Springfield TRP. VERY hard to beat for its price.

 

[unreal.freak]

Are you opposed to Taurus? If not have a look, they put in alot of upgrades in their base model 1911's


http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=612&category=Pistol

Peace,
Tommy

 

[Cpt.America]

Are you opposed to Taurus? If not have a look, they put in alot of upgrades in their base model 1911's


http://www.taurususa.com/products/product-details.cfm?id=612&category=Pistol

Peace,
Tommy

Hhhmm.. i really have never heard anything about Taurus' 1911s. Might want to stop by 1911forum.com and peak around there. I'm sure theres info on its quality to price ratio.

 

[Nemo128]

I want an AR15. Steer me right!

 

[itschris]

I want an AR15. Steer me right!

It's not an easy proposition these days. Supplies are very limited right now and long wait times are the norm... as well as prices that are about 30% higher than they were a year ago.

I'm still figuring out the best route to take... which at this point I think is building my own. My brother-in-law is coming down for the holidays and he's pretty much an expert on the matter with several high-end AR's and M4's. I have a good idea of what I want but I'll run everything past himk. I'll share anything I come up with.

 

[Cpt.America]

I want an AR15. Steer me right!

The best way to go for an AR, is to buy the assembled upper you want, buy the lower you want, buy the BCG you want, buy the fire control group you want, buy the stock you want, then put it all together yourself. It's very fun, very easy, requires almost no tools, and will give you better knowledge on how it all works and comes apart for future cleaning and upgrades.

All you need to do, is research what brand for each peice you prefer, and where the best place is to buy those pieces. I recommend ar15.com as a hang out. I hung out there for a couple months before finally pulling the trigger (no pun) on all my parts for my latest AR build.

 

[itschris]

The best way to go for an AR, is to buy the assembled upper you want, buy the lower you want, buy the BCG you want, buy the fire control group you want, buy the stock you want, then put it all together yourself. It's very fun, very easy, requires almost no tools, and will give you better knowledge on how it all works and comes apart for future cleaning and upgrades.

All you need to do, is research what brand for each peice you prefer, and where the best place is to buy those pieces. I recommend ar15.com as a hang out. I hung out there for a couple months before finally pulling the trigger (no pun) on all my parts for my latest AR build.

I totally agree. After you told me to go this route a week or so, I've been doing a lot of research on the build. It's definately the way to go.

The downside is there still is a stranglehold on components. It's hard to get anything but the most expensive components right now. I don't want to spend $2k+ just for the rifle so I'm willing to deal with the waiting times for the solid midrange stuff.

 

[Cpt.America]

I don't want to spend $2k+ just for the rifle so I'm willing to deal with the waiting times for the solid midrange stuff.

That is a solid plan. I was fortunate enough to finish my build somewhere around june... I was able to build my rifle with top shelf components, with no wait time, for perfectly reasonable costs.