Stereophile

[chadnliz]

Why do members here waste their time and energy building and the jumping on their home made soap box to look down at and mock those who they disagree with, I have subscribed to Stereophile for years and like the mix of budget and cutting edge gear, my complaint is more in the Political Op-ED's inserted where it has no place but its a pretty good magazine all and all.
Most Audiophiles have heard the rants and scoffs about gear and cables to a point where it just gets turned off, so have your fun but nobody really cares even when a few step in to make a point now and then, I mean really dont you have anything better to do?
I have contacted Michael Fremer both via email and spoke to him in May at the NYC show, he is always helpful and respectful.....he obviously has a good opinion of himself and I wonder why that would be considered a flaw? With all due respect I think attacking those who champion something you dont agree with for their individual pleasure and have no intention of learning any real knowledge of what you dismiss is more telling of your character and not of those you laugh at and dispise.
I dont drink fine wine, drive a fancy car or sport a hand made watch or even care to sit and fiddle with a vintage model train as it makes pointless rounds on a table in a basement but I understand one key thing about most men and that is the fact we are all classified as "nerds" about something. Hunters are nerds in camouflage, bikers in leather, divers in wet suits and countless others have whatever hobby and its associated gear and often premium priced items from collectables to the equipment and gear required to enjoy the hobby chosen.
So laugh at those you see as silly or out of touch but know somebody somewhere wether in bed next to you, across town or all across the country are laughing at YOU aswell for whatever hobby makes you the nerd you are.
In close you may assume those who talk about and dream of new subwoofers, projection screens and bass shakers in their seats while they spout off at the products others use and rant about the large companies who manufactur these goods for hours on end are laughed at just like those in Hi-End Audio..............but thats just crazy talk..

 

[AdrianMills]

Regardless of whether I/we agree with Fremer's particular slant of audiophilia or not, he came here as a representative of Stereophile and acted like an arse. That alone deserves derision. Or maybe you think he should be forgiven that because he's a "contributing editor"?

As for “high end” audio; if people want to spend their money on expensive toys that’s their business but what a lot of people have issues with is the snake oil that tends to be associated with the esoteric side of this industry. Unfortunately it’s rags like Stereophile and their “contributing editors” that encourage snake oil and give it credibility with the general public.

Why do members here waste their time and energy building and the jumping on their home made soap box to look down at and mock those who they disagree with, I have subscribed to Stereophile for years and like the mix of budget and cutting edge gear, my complaint is more in the Political Op-ED's inserted where it has no place but its a pretty good magazine all and all.
Most Audiophiles have heard the rants and scoffs about gear and cables to a point where it just gets turned off, so have your fun but nobody really cares even when a few step in to make a point now and then, I mean really dont you have anything better to do?
I have contacted Michael Fremer both via email and spoke to him in May at the NYC show, he is always helpful and respectful.....he obviously has a good opinion of himself and I wonder why that would be considered a flaw? With all due respect I think attacking those who champion something you dont agree with for their individual pleasure and have no intention of learning any real knowledge of what you dismiss is more telling of your character and not of those you laugh at and dispise.
I dont drink fine wine, drive a fancy car or sport a hand made watch or even care to sit and fiddle with a vintage model train as it makes pointless rounds on a table in a basement but I understand one key thing about most men and that is the fact we are all classified as "nerds" about something. Hunters are nerds in camouflage, bikers in leather, divers in wet suits and countless others have whatever hobby and its associated gear and often premium priced items from collectables to the equipment and gear required to enjoy the hobby chosen.
So laugh at those you see as silly or out of touch but know somebody somewhere wether in bed next to you, across town or all across the country are laughing at YOU aswell for whatever hobby makes you the nerd you are.
In close you may assume those who talk about and dream of new subwoofers, projection screens and bass shakers in their seats while they spout off at the products others use and rant about the large companies who manufactur these goods for hours on end are laughed at just like those in Hi-End Audio..............but thats just crazy talk..

 

[stratman]

Has anyone remember reading a negative review of any product that advertises heavily at Stereovile?

 

[stratman]

A lot of the so-called "cutting-edge" gear is nothing more than rehashing(read Gene's technically treatises), people just don't get it. There's nothing wrong with owning "esoteric" gear, as long as you bought it for the supposed right reasons, mainly looks, exclusivity and when you entertain your less well-heeled friends, they can oooh and aaaah at your pretentious and expensive toys and cables. I own so called esoteric gear, it's not better sounding than "mid-fi," it does however look much better. As for people feeling superior to others due to their status in a rag, well, someone once told me "never believe the hype, especially if it concerns you." Once you learn enough you can see Sterovile for what it is, pure marketing, that's all, self-appointed judges and mouth pieces for the way things should be in A/V 'dom. A lot like the Wine Spectator and Cigar Aficinado, self-appointed judge, jury and executioner.

 

[Alex2507]

Why do members here waste their time and energy building and the jumping on their home made soap box to look down at and mock those who they disagree with, I have subscribed to Stereophile for years and like the mix of budget and cutting edge gear, my complaint is more in the Political Op-ED's inserted where it has no place but its a pretty good magazine all and all.
Most Audiophiles have heard the rants and scoffs about gear and cables to a point where it just gets turned off, so have your fun but nobody really cares even when a few step in to make a point now and then, I mean really dont you have anything better to do?
I have contacted Michael Fremer both via email and spoke to him in May at the NYC show, he is always helpful and respectful.....he obviously has a good opinion of himself and I wonder why that would be considered a flaw? With all due respect I think attacking those who champion something you dont agree with for their individual pleasure and have no intention of learning any real knowledge of what you dismiss is more telling of your character and not of those you laugh at and dispise.
I dont drink fine wine, drive a fancy car or sport a hand made watch or even care to sit and fiddle with a vintage model train as it makes pointless rounds on a table in a basement but I understand one key thing about most men and that is the fact we are all classified as "nerds" about something. Hunters are nerds in camouflage, bikers in leather, divers in wet suits and countless others have whatever hobby and its associated gear and often premium priced items from collectables to the equipment and gear required to enjoy the hobby chosen.
So laugh at those you see as silly or out of touch but know somebody somewhere wether in bed next to you, across town or all across the country are laughing at YOU aswell for whatever hobby makes you the nerd you are.
In close you may assume those who talk about and dream of new subwoofers, projection screens and bass shakers in their seats while they spout off at the products others use and rant about the large companies who manufactur these goods for hours on end are laughed at just like those in Hi-End Audio..............but thats just crazy talk..

Hey, what's that red square mean on the top right of your post?
Hover your cursor on it and see what it says.

Mr. Happy to offend 1st time poster is gonna have a huge following here.
Thank you for taking the time to talk sense into me.

 

[chadnliz]

I know perfectly well what the dot means and maybe you should have one too seeing how its handed out for telling things as I see them, I also appreciate the skillful way you insult me without any recourse so BRAVO. It looks like posting about what others say to a first time poster who was surely not interested in this site or what members have to say until he was drawn into the discussion is another breach of the wolfpack way of intellectually navigating this site...even if I have real world experience with this individual, But I refuse to simply get into lock-step with the leader and blindly follow anyone with limited eyesight. In the end I could dumb it down and say Emotiva and Blue Jean cables are the best creations in modern time while treating Monster Inc as an evil empire and any cables that cost over $50.00 are snake oil and anyone who buys them is an idiot, I could also say that this site is the only real info you need on HT and Audio topics out of the entire offerings online but none of these examples are true so I choose to think for myself.

 

[Alex2507]

Remember people, why buy stereopile when you can read it for free.

I had a stack of 'em given to me. All but one got thrown out. I had to keep the one because of a fry 'em and freeze 'em ad. Their measurements on speakers are nice though. Little by little I will learn more and more and will eventually know what those graphs are saying. I appreciate the measurements.

The problem is that they tell you that a special fuse makes a receiver sound better. I had to bring the question to AH to find out it was bologna.

So unless you're an A/V brainiac, be careful. Reading it can make you stupid.

 

[yettitheman]

PS: If I've offended anyone, it's been my pleasure. CHEERS!

Hmm... well, we know exactly what's going on now.

IB4TL.

 

[stratman]

PS: If I've offended anyone, it's been my pleasure. CHEERS!

Wow! This tells me everything I needed to know/suspected all along. What a tool.

 

[chadnliz]

Well atleast Fremer has enough class not to call anyone names, I could go on but its pointless.............Kool-Aid anyone?

 

[Matt34]

I read the car magazines and when they cover Ferraris, and Porsches and Maseratis, people tend to enjoy the reviews. It's only in audio that we end up with so many jealous wankers and where so many try to level the playing field by claiming "it all sounds the same," and that when you spend more you get less.

-Michael Fremer
senior contributing editor, Stereophile

PS: If I've offended anyone, it's been my pleasure. CHEERS!

The magazines can back up an exotic cars performance with real numbers. The same can't be said for a majority of the hi-fi audio world.

AdrianMills post just reminded me of the Randi speaker cable challenge....too bad there isn't something like that involving car exhausts. I think I could pick the Ferrari everytime.

 

[Alex2507]

Well atleast Fremer has enough class not to call anyone names, I could go on but its pointless.............Kool-Aid anyone?

You could go on? What, making stuff up? On what planet is calling people "wankers" not name calling? Didn't you earn that red badge of honor by calling somebody a retard that licks school bus windows? It's okay for you and Fremer but not for anybody else? Yeah, you got class alright.

Is that last bit a Jimmy Jones reference? Let me give you a tip: don't go making offensive posts while in a pain med induced fog.

 

[markw]

As for car mags and exotic cars...

..while people like reading about the hi-buck exotics I do notice that they also have frequent articles and shootouts on more mundane vehicles that almost anyone can afford. Like, say, econoboxes?

Methinks mikey's standard of living is a bit above Joe Sixpacks if he considers his reviews are of "real world" products that Joe sSixpack would consider.

 

[Halon451]

I find it rather appalling that the OP in this case voiced some valid concerns regarding magazine content, and a senior staff of said magazine comes onto the forum to do nothing but bash the guy - excuse me, did I miss something in Business 101? You go attacking your customers, instead of politely and respectfully attempting to understand their concerns and offer positive feedback, best of luck to you when the well runs dry and nobody wants to subscribe to your stinking rag anymore. I could call that pretentiousness from a pretentious, high brow magazine at its best, and it's nothing but elitist, holier-than-thou mentality. Hey, maybe you've got enough high-brown pompous a**holes subscribing to your magazine to keep you employed for the next x amount of years, so be it. Thanks for your input here, now get lost.

As for me - not a subscriber, but I have come up with some interesting new uses for Stereophile magazine:

1.) Shredded padding for a hamster cage
2.) Flyswatter
3.) Beer coaster
4.) Kindling
5.) Stereophile + Wood chipper = confetti party!

Oh, anyone feel free to add to the list if you wish...

 

[Halon451]

In the end I could dumb it down and say Emotiva and Blue Jean cables are the best creations in modern time while treating Monster Inc as an evil empire and any cables that cost over $50.00 are snake oil and anyone who buys them is an idiot, I could also say that this site is the only real info you need on HT and Audio topics out of the entire offerings online but none of these examples are true so I choose to think for myself.

Wow.... you know Chad thinking for yourself is one thing, but going against reason and rationale just because a growing number of people are beginning to see a certain reality all for the sake of maintaining your "individual" process of thought is just another form of ignorance. These are subjective examples for the most part that you indicated anyway, so why are you getting so defensive?

 

[chadnliz]

I am not defensive just making my case, and as far as the guy I called a retard and windoow licker got kicked off..enough said. Go on and on about this and anything else you wish to rant about, its a beautiful day and life is too short.........see ya

 

[Alex2507]

I am not defensive just making my case, and as far as the guy I called a retard and windoow licker got kicked off..enough said. Go on and on about this and anything else you wish to rant about, its a beautiful day and life is too short.........see ya

He didn't get kicked off, he got put on probation and just hasn't posted since then.
Get it right, will ya? I can't keep correcting you like this. It's a lot of work.

 

[chadnliz]

Knowing the info of the members of this site is almost certainly one of the fews things you have over me so enjoy your moment in the sun.

 

[mike c]

haraldo has a point.

i DON'T buy these magazines because i CAN'T afford the stuff in there.

i want to, i've actually walked into magazine stores looking for an AV fix, but i just don't know the brands they are talking about.

 

[Alex2507]

Knowing the info of the members of this site is almost certainly one of the fews things you have over me so enjoy your moment in the sun.

It's just that we got put on probation together. But I am basking in it alright and since it is one of the few things that I do have over you, you will understand my lording this great knowledge over you.