haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
I wrote an email to John Atkinson yesterday and there has been a dialog between me, Mr Atkinson and Mr Fremer, and we all agree that we have both stepped over the line. in this thread. I certainly have and Michael Fremer has apologized too.

At Mr Atkinson's request I'm posting his response:

The blue writing is Mr Atkinson's responses

>I have been a Stereophile subscriber for a long time, and for most of this
period I have enjoyed reading Stereophile, but I think things have changed,
and I think attitudes of you editors have changed.<

Sorry to hear that, Harald. I have been editing Stereophile for more than 22 years and I don't believe my attitude has changed in that time, I still believe that listening to one's favorite music in the highest possible quality is one of the most rewarding ways to spend time.


>When I post a thread at Audioholics forum, I do this as a private person,
when Michael Fremer adds a very rude post at Audioholics forum signed as
"Stereophile Senior Contributing Editor" he is not writing this as a private

person but in my sense he represents Stereophile officially.<

I agree, He is representing Stereophile on forums like that, even if he does not attach the tag line.


>I believe that companies that do not value theit customers and those who
actually buy the product, will be out of business. Simple fact. Do you value
your customers? Do you try to keep in touch with customers, when I look at
how some persons in your company reacts to criticism I wonder...<

Of course I value my readers. I checked out the May 2008 thread you referred to at http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43732 . Yes, I agree that Micheal Fremer's response was intemperate, but when you write that:


>This was as a response to a very critical post by me...

I have to say that your original post was also insulting and intemperate and, considering the factual inaccuracies -- what continued Musical Fidelity and Triangle reviews by Sam Tellig? what review of Monster Cable in Stereophile (mentioned by you in a subsequent posting)? -- it appeared to be little more than a rather mean-spirited troll. So while I don't condone Michael's language, I do sympathize with his vexation over the attitude that came over in your posting.

And yes, Stereophile does devote a significant proportion of its review space to budget-priced gear. See, for example, the listing at http://www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/ . I do feel that many of the magazine's critics on the Audioholics forum either don't read the magazine thoroughly or at all.


>I don't ask for anything from Stereophile, I'm just seeing that probably
most active participants at Audioholics forum are seriosly shocked by Mr
Fremer's way of approaching his customers and his way of responding to
criticism.<

To be honest, I think you are being disingenuous here. Your original post was immoderate and confrontational in tone: ie, "Perhaps I'll renew my subscription just to have a monthly laugh" and "Does this man [Michael Fremer] have a problem with his ego? or another part?" Did you really not expect that Michael might be offended by your post? As I said, while I wouldn't have responded to your post in the manner Michael did -- my skin is probably thicker than his -- I do understand why he wrote the way he did.


> Does mr Fremer know that he is talking to the people that
actually provides his paycheck?<

I think this point would have greater validity if some Audioholics posters didn't admit they read the magazine free at the bookstore rather than purchasing it :)

Thank you for writing. And you are welcome, of course, to post this response to Audioholics if you so wish.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
 
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Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
I think this point would have greater validity if some Audioholics posters didn't admit they read the magazine free at the bookstore rather than purchasing it :)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile
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On the off chance that you are talking about me, it's Sound & Vision. :D
And it's at the grocery store. :)
If I'm paying $5/lb for chicken and they won't hire a bagger, I insist on being entertained. :p
Stop & Shop doesn't carry Stereophile. :(
 
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gus6464

Audioholic Samurai
Sometimes Stereophile will have good articles on budget components that are actually well written and hit very close to home. I remember one article on budget speakers and why an expensive speaker ($1000+) could be no better than a cheaper one (~$1000). I remember an article where they talked about a couple of speakers including the Amphion Helium paired with a Rega P3 and a cheap $700 integrated and how one could have more fun and be happier than a person with a crazy high priced system.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Along the way, this forum has provided Mr Atkinson with some new ideas about things to cover in Stereophile.... so wait and see, something never seen in Stereophile before may come up, I hope.....

This may actually be very cool things :cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
If I bought that fuse business then I would have walked away stupider than when I got there.
Then who would tie my shoes? Huh? :D
Fine, so I had to bring home the shoelace tying board when I was in kindergarten because I couldn't figure it out. I already felt dumb enough about it...now I gotta relive the humiliation. Oh, the humanity. :(

:D:D
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Fine, so I had to bring home the shoelace tying board when I was in kindergarten because I couldn't figure it out. I already felt dumb enough about it...now I gotta relive the humiliation. Oh, the humanity. :(

:D:D
It's a cruel world.... or as George Costanza said once.... Look out Jerry, there's a lot of nuts out there.... :p
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
something never seen in Stereophile before may come up, I hope.....
Are you waiting for a review on this:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452

or this:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72948

or this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/_e/Harmonic_Technology/product/HTMagicWoofer/Magic_Reference_Woofer_Speaker_Cable.htm

Sometimes hope is all a person has and I would hate to take that away from you. :rolleyes:

A shoelace tying board?
When I was a kid they just told me to run down the stairs with my hands in my pockets. :D
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Are you waiting for a review on this:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/73452

or this:

http://www.musicdirect.com/product/72948

or this:

http://www.tweekgeek.com/_e/Harmonic_Technology/product/HTMagicWoofer/Magic_Reference_Woofer_Speaker_Cable.htm

Sometimes hope is all a person has and I would hate to take that away from you. :rolleyes:

A shoe lace tieing board?
When I was a kid they just told me to run down the stairs with my hands in my pockets. :D

Wow, those Magic Reference Woofer Speaker Cable must be something......
And $159.99 for cable elevators, real bargain indeed :eek:

I really also thought about those new devices to minimize the effect of moon gravity on speaker cables, think they're only around $6000 each.... well worth the money.....
Especially useful when there's a full moon :D


he he, let's say I tipped Mr Atkinson on something quite different that's in touch with the spirit of this forum :cool:
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Y'know, I got gooned with a couple of guys I worked with one night and we discussed all kinds of BS that goes with this industry. One does A/V equipment service and installs, while the other went to MSOE (Milwaukee SChool Of Engineering) for the ECET program (Electronics Communications Engineering Technology) and has designed X-Ray equipment for the food industry. At one point, I made a comment that we should have some fuses plated with gold and we'd make a fortune. We thought about it (after laughing hysterically for a while) and decided that it wouldn't fly, for several reasons, like the fact that we didn't want to scam anyone. DOH!!!!!
 
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