We're Gonna Die!

[mazersteven]

my roof is rated till 203 mph (conc. tile and foam glue down.)

For 3 seconds. Roof tile wind rating are done for 3 seconds. Lets see it last for 24 hours on 203 mph winds.

 

[mazersteven]

If I hear 165 mph winds with a storm surge are bearing down on me, I will not hunker down in my cabana hoping it is able to uphold. I will get as far away from that place as possible in the 3-4-5 days allowed.

Your going to need 3-4 or 5 days to get out of here. Anyone remember Hurricane Floyd in 99? Took me 7 hours to get from the coast to Orlando. 17 hours to get to the only hotel I could find in the Fort Walton Beach/Destin area. Highways where bumper to bumper.

How about 04's hurricane season. By the time the forth hurricane came through all the hotels had no rooms because people with damaged homes from the other three storms where living in them. You couldn't go anywhere if you wanted to.

How about the thousands of people stranded on I-95? Ran out of gas. Bumper to bumper traffic and no gas people where all over the sides of the road. Nice place to ride one out.

 

[stratman]

For 3 seconds. Roof tile wind rating are done for 3 seconds. Lets see it last for 24 hours on 203 mph winds.

Which was the last Hurricane you saw blowing 203 mph for 24 hours or even 12? Even the so called super hurricane Andrew barely scratched 180 if at all, jury is still out on that one. Storm surge, non-issue where I live (a non-flood area to start, then my house is 4' above street crown.)

 

[Johnd]

I think you're misinterpreting his post stratman. I don't think he meant 24 hours of sustained winds are necessary to cause catastophic failure. Fine. Your roof is rated at 203 mph. More precisely, your type of roof, constructed per spec in every every detail is rated at 203 mph...do you have any idea how easy it is to not be up to spec in the field? Your roof could very well fail at 100 mph. It seems certain it will fail at 204 mph. And not with 24 hour sustained winds...as soon as 204 mph hits your roof...it will most probably fail.

But have you had your doors and windows tested at 203 mph? Or your steel shutters (if you have them)? Or your veneer? Or your anchors to the slab? If any one of these fails at high wind speeds catastrophic failure is certain to result. Never mind all the projectiles that will be flying threw the air and sky (street signs, trees, overhangs, garbage cans, etc.). Most walls and roofs are not impact tested...certainly not with these projectiles.

I guess a word to the wise. You mentioned your 203 mph type of roof, but failed to mention any other part of your system that meets or exceeds that spec. You can huff...and you can puff...

 

[stratman]

I think you're misinterpreting his post stratman. I don't think he meant 24 hours of sustained winds are necessary to cause catastophic failure. Fine. Your roof is rated at 203 mph. More precisely, your type of roof, constructed per spec in every every detail is rated at 203 mph...do you have any idea how easy it is to not be up to spec in the field? Your roof could very well fail at 100 mph. It seems certain it will fail at 204 mph. And not with 24 hour sustained winds...as soon as 204 mph hits your roof...it will most probably fail.

But have you had your doors and windows tested at 203 mph? Or your steel shutters (if you have them)? Or your veneer? Or your anchors to the slab? If any one of these fails at high wind speeds catastrophic failure is certain to result. Never mind all the projectiles that will be flying threw the air and sky (street signs, trees, overhangs, garbage cans, etc.). Most walls and roofs are not impact tested...certainly not with these projectiles.



I guess a word to the wise. You mentioned your 203 mph type of roof, but failed to mention any other part of your system that meets or exceeds that spec. You can huff...and you can puff...

Sure they came out (independent inspectors/engineers they perform a lift test and submit the results), BTW my roof has gone through 2 hurricanes clocked at 100, both times the eye passed by overhead (I'm less than 2 miles from the NHC) not one tile moved, I have my roof inspected after major storm. My windows and doors are laminated, small-missile impact proof, I only put additional shutters if high cat 4 or 5, just in case. All is anchored and epoxied to concrete, I wouldn't be foolish enough to put my family's life in jeopardy due to false bravado. Obviously it's very easy to build a hurricane proof home the caveat is simple it costs more. Concrete roof, bullet proof windows (my buddy owns a company the builds them) and lots of supplies. The great thing about a foam set roof is that if the tile cracks it won't go anywhere, it stays put, while the old fashion system of mortar and nails clocks out after 120mph.

Check out www.polyfoam.cc

Click on hurricane Charlie, interesting.

 

[Johnd]

Sure they came out (independent inspectors/engineers they perform a lift test and submit the results), BTW my roof has gone through 2 hurricanes clocked at 100, both times the eye passed by overhead (I'm less than 2 miles from the NHC) not one tile moved, I have my roof inspected after major storm. My windows and doors are laminated, small-missile impact proof, I only put additional shutters if high cat 4 or 5, just in case. All is anchored and epoxied to concrete, I wouldn't be foolish enough to put my family's life in jeopardy due to false bravado. Obviously it's very easy to build a hurricane proof home the caveat is simple it costs more. Concrete roof, bullet proof windows (my buddy owns a company the builds them) and lots of supplies. The great thing about a foam set roof is that if the tile cracks it won't go anywhere, it stays put, while the old fashion system of mortar and nails clocks out after 120mph.

Considering all the proofing that seems necessary, despite your typically wonderful weather, I'd probably rather live in Kansas Dorothy. Oh, wait, they have tornadoes.

 

[stratman]

Now those I won't mess around with!, F5

 

[Dolby CP-200]

Yes, I'm a native Floridian. Born and raised in Fort Lauderdale during the BEST years of Spring Break

No kidding I have an aunty who leaves in “Fort Lauderdale” if you bump into an English lady called Christen, say hello to her.

 

[stratman]

Major, are you hunkered down yet? Dean is a-knocking on our back door


I ran into an 80 year old man yesterday, the father of a client, he looked exasperated, I asked him what was the matter and he said he'd been looking at the evening news and they had him so riled up he went to Publix to buy water, I felt so bad for this guy I called his daughter had her check in on him, she said that his cardiologists doesn't want him looking at the news, can you believe this.

 

[majorloser]

Major, are you hunkered down yet? Dean is a-knocking on our back door


I ran into an 80 year old man yesterday, the father of a client, he looked exasperated, I asked him what was the matter and he said he'd been looking at the evening news and they had him so riled up he went to Publix to buy water, I felt so bad for this guy I called his daughter had her check in on him, she said that his cardiologists doesn't want him looking at the news, can you believe this.

This is what I'm complaining about. The freakin' news is getting people all shook up and the storm isn't even going to hit anywhere in Florida, might not even hit anywhere in the USA.

The only people the win are Home Depot, Lowes and Publix.

 

[stratman]

This is what I'm complaining about. The freakin' news is getting people all shook up and the storm isn't even going to hit anywhere in Florida, might not even hit anywhere in the USA.

The only people the win are Home Depot, Lowes and Publix.

Yeah, and male appendages selling un-needed generators to the elderly.

 

[stratman]

All's been quiet, I checked the NHC site, all quiet. Well the new sport over at Channel 7 news is "Wave Watching"(according to the reporter), they're out of control. Wave Watching (as pertaining to Channel 7 news) is spotting tropical waves as they form over the Atlantic or the African west coast, as they speed toward the west they sometimes develop into depressions and storms, some into hurricanes. But this is taking it way over top, akin to saying a freckle might turn into a cancerous mole and the dimwits were "keeping an eye" on it just for us, now mind you the NHC puts up a flag if they think it might evolve into a depression, but there's no flag so where is channel 7 getting their weather info from? They just love to keep Home Depot in business.

 

[MUDSHARK]

We're all gonna die
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080410/NEWS01/804100338/1006

 

[stratman]

We're all gonna die
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080410/NEWS01/804100338/1006

Wait till May, that's when the kooks come out from the woodwork.

 

[Audioholics]

It's time I make a prediction: Experts predictions wrong. Storms fail to appear in the numbers predicted. Experts fail to admit mistakes, and simply make more predictions the following year.

That guy from last year who was completely off just made up some excuses and will be back again this year making more predictions...

They can't even tell me for certain if it's going to rain tomorrow on my street.

Idiocy - and, like lemmings, everyone digests it as if it's news. Those guys can barely predict the sun rising in the morning...

 

[Tomorrow]

It's time I make a prediction: Experts predictions wrong. Storms fail to appear in the numbers predicted. Experts fail to admit mistakes, and simply make more predictions the following year.

That guy from last year who was completely off just made up some excuses and will be back again this year making more predictions...

They can't even tell me for certain if it's going to rain tomorrow on my street.

Idiocy - and, like lemmings, everyone digests it as if it's news. Those guys can barely predict the sun rising in the morning...

Yeah, and they are payed handsomely for their not-so-accurate predictions. Good work if you can get it.

I recently heard an interview with NOAA's chief meteorologist. He said that with today's advanced satelllite coverage and doppler radar, the best weather event forecasting done is at most twice what it was before all the technology was developed. To be "right" more than 1/2 the time, they used to be able to predict 2 days in advance. Now it's 4 days. 51%. Hmmm. Whoopee.

 

[MUDSHARK]

Tough crowd tonight!

I am a former Air Force Meteorologist (long time ago) and am singular here in knowing the difficulties forecasting in the tropics or semi-tropics. Unlike the mid-latitudes, vorticity tools are of little value. These annual projections based on several tools are little more than a persistence and probability study. The atmospheric physics of this gaseous atmosphere of ours is an imprecise science at best. While my area was upper air I can appreciate the many variables that can skew storm forecasts with little warning.

 

[Tomorrow]

Tough crowd tonight!

I am a former Air Force Meteorologist (long time ago) and am singular here in knowing the difficulties forecasting in the tropics or semi-tropics. Unlike the mid-latitudes, vorticity tools are of little value. These annual projections based on several tools are little more than a persistence and probability study. The atmospheric physics of this gaseous atmosphere of ours is an imprecise science at best. While my area was upper air I can appreciate the many variables that can skew storm forecasts with little warning.

Mud, my apologies for the sideways glance at your profession. There is no doubt that it is VERY difficult to forecast weather conditions in spite of advanced technologies and modeling. It's just that weather-casting is so visible in the news media, and is presented as high-probability, even inevitable at times, when it should be relegated to back-page news.

And besides, apparently you guys in Florida have some genius (Brian Somethingorother) that keeps promising doom and destruction in his forecasts!

 

[stratman]

Tough crowd tonight!

I am a former Air Force Meteorologist (long time ago) and am singular here in knowing the difficulties forecasting in the tropics or semi-tropics. Unlike the mid-latitudes, vorticity tools are of little value. These annual projections based on several tools are little more than a persistence and probability study. The atmospheric physics of this gaseous atmosphere of ours is an imprecise science at best. While my area was upper air I can appreciate the many variables that can skew storm forecasts with little warning.

Dang that global warming!

 

[stratman]

I never fail in my predictions: It'll be daylight today at 9:00 AM and at 10:00 PM it'll be night time, same prediciton holds true for the rest of the week, got to send my resume to NOAA.