We're Gonna Die!

[stratman]

The IPCC has a politcal ax to grind, it's obvious. And I'll say it loud and clear when science becomes politicized or media"ized" the results are dubious at best.

 

[tbewick]

Hi stratman,

The recent and previous (2001) IPCC Working Group I Summary for Policymakers was approved in line-by-line detail by all of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change signatories, which includes the United States. The IPCC process has also been supported by all of the G8 science academies and the academies of China, India and Brazil.

Just to be clear, when I say I think a precautionary approach is best, I mean precautionary in the sense of supporting binding emission cuts to reduce the possibilility of large changes to the climate system.

 

[Tomorrow]

Just to be clear, when I say I think a precautionary approach is best, I mean precautionary in the sense of supporting binding emission cuts to reduce the possibilility of large changes to the climate system.

That puts you in good company with the Chinese, American, and many other governments. These are very complex historical, economic, and political times. Anything less than scientifically perfect prediction models will find huge impediments to any global warming treaties that include emission cuts. And even without cuts there will be national agendas to be dealt with.

 

[MUDSHARK]

Loser says we're gonna die but if this rain doesn't stop it will be by drowning. It must have rained an inch within fifteen minutes at noon today. Thirty straight days of rain.

 

[Johnd]

Loser says we're gonna die but if this rain doesn't stop it will be by drowning. It must have rained an inch within fifteen minutes at noon today. Thirty straight days of rain.

Hmmm. And we haven't had a full inch in here in Milwaukee in 60 days. Drought/flood. Flood/drought. I don't think it has anything to do with Nostradamus.

 

[mazersteven]

Loser says we're gonna die but if this rain doesn't stop it will be by drowning. It must have rained an inch within fifteen minutes at noon today. Thirty straight days of rain.

Now your biatching about the rain. First the fires, and now the rain. Make up your mind Mud. LOL

 

[majorloser]

NEWS FLASH: We're still gonna die.

I'm sorry, my local television weather man still says "We're gonna die".
According to the "Super Mega Viper Atomic Astro Radar System" he uses and is only available at his television station, a storm is brewing off the coast of Africa right now. Granted, those normal radar and satellite systems that NOAA uses can't see anything. But he says we need to be ready. And we all know that the local weather guys in Florida are never wrong

Note to self: need to prep the "safe room" in the house to hunker down.

 

[Johnd]

Don't worry majorloser. We're all gonna die!!!

For those of you down in the alley, stay prepared to batten down the hatches and roll down the steel shutters.

 

[stratman]

I'm sorry, my local television weather man still says "We're gonna die".
According to the "Super Mega Viper Atomic Astro Radar System" he uses and is only available at his television station, a storm is brewing off the coast of Africa right now. Granted, those normal radar and satellite systems that NOAA uses can't see anything. But he says we need to be ready. And we all know that the local weather guys in Florida are never wrong

Note to self: need to prep the "safe room" in the house to hunker down.

Hmmm.....your's has the Viper radar too, I thought only Miami had the Viper. Channel 7 or 6, don't know which since I stopped watching local "news", for that matter al news, I get my hrrricane info straight from the source: NHC.

Yeah NOAA's system can't compare to The Viper, afterall the Viper is the ultimate radar system, right? I bet if you ask one those looney tunes if they know what a "viper" radar is he'll stare at you for hours on end. Hell they can't tell you if its going to rain tomorrow.

 

[mazersteven]

I'm sorry, my local television weather man still says "We're gonna die".
According to the "Super Mega Viper Atomic Astro Radar System" he uses

Super Mega Viper Atomic Astro Radar System???

I bet my "Heat Seeking Moisture Missile" can find wetness, or moisture faster then that thing.

 

[Tomorrow]

Super Mega Viper Atomic Astro Radar System???

I bet my "Heat Seeking Moisture Missile" can find wetness, or moisture faster then that thing.

LOL, spoken like a married guy!

 

[Dolby CP-200]

Wow that was more theatrical than a Shakespeare play, we’re all going to die, where not shall I see another moon or sunset, oh we’re all going to die.

 

[Audioholics]

If you live in a place where the weather actually does anything (like FL) I challenge all of you to take one month... just one month and do the following:

1) Write down the actual weather in your area.
2) Compare to what local weather guy said
3) Compare to what weather.com said

These guys might as well be telling me they can turn lead into gold. Innaccurate weather prediction is what makes me cautious of other longer term meteorological predictions about the planet. If these guys can't tell me what's happening next week...

 

[stratman]

If you live in a place where the weather actually does anything (like FL) I challenge all of you to take one month... just one month and do the following:

1) Write down the actual weather in your area.
2) Compare to what local weather guy said
3) Compare to what weather.com said

These guys might as well be telling me they can turn lead into gold. Innaccurate weather prediction is what makes me cautious of other longer term meteorological predictions about the planet. If these guys can't tell me what's happening next week...

Spoken like a native Floridian, funny you can tell who's new down here and who's been around by the way they react to the local news hurricane forecasts, sensationalism at it's best.

 

[Audioholics]

It especially ticks me off when EVERY YEAR they try to predict the number of hurricanes... and PEOPLE ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THEM AND PRINT THIS CRUD.

As if they have a prayer of being anything other than completely lucky (in a given year, only to be completely off base for the next 5.)

It reminds me of the mystic mind readers who get one thing right which supposedly offsets the prior 10 things they were completely wrong about as they guess their way through your consciousness...

 

[Johnd]

Spoken like a native Floridian, funny you can tell who's new down here and who's been around by the way they react to the local news hurricane forecasts, sensationalism at it's best.

Isn't it precisely this kind of attitude (I know better than the experts) that caused the catastrophic human losses and "lesser casualties" in Katrina and Andrew?

Whilst I do appreciate the hassle of the seemingly incessant reports of "impending doom" over this three month period, is it not better to heed the wisdom, experience and technology of NOAA, rather than complain of the wolf that cried? I'd just hate to be the one scooping up your guys' remains off of 275 or 195 because of some ill-placed bravado. Stay safe down there.

 

[stratman]

Isn't it precisely this kind of attitude (I know better than the experts) that caused the catastrophic human losses and "lesser casualties" in Katrina and Andrew?

Whilst I do appreciate the hassle of the seemingly incessant reports of "impending doom" over this three month period, is it not better to heed the wisdom, experience and technology of NOAA, rather than complain of the wolf that cried? I'd just hate to be the one scooping up your guys' remains off of 275 or 195 because of some ill-placed bravado. Stay safe down there.

No it really isn't, most damage done by Andrew was due to years of faulty construction done by unscrupulous developers and bribed county inspectors that would look the other way when wholesale tracts of new homes were being built against code (Country Walk, Kendall) the other much publicized damage was done in Homestead where the majority of dwellings destroyed were mobile homes, which you can't reinforce in a worthwhile manner to begin with. In fact most of the older homes withstood the storm without complete loss or major damage. And given the strength of Andrew, human loss was extremely low, most happened after the storm when people wandered outside and touched live wires. It's not NOAA who "spreads the crap" it's the local newsboys in search of ratings. All you need to survive is common sense, a large percentage of homes down here have either shutters or impact glass, my roof is rated till 203 mph (conc. tile and foam glue down.) There is no need whatsoever for the fear mongering these idiots put the elderly and newbies through, you die in a Hurricane if you're suicidal. I get my weather info straight from NOAA and NHC via their site, I don't listen to local forecasts, much less when a Hurricane "threatens."

 

[majorloser]

Yes, I'm a native Floridian. Born and raised in Fort Lauderdale during the BEST years of Spring Break

Florida builders were selling crap home in South Florida for years. The home I grew up in was built by an architect back in the early '50s. The thing was a freakin' bomb shelter. The stuff that was built in the '70s and '80s was just plain criminal. But they met the building codes at the time (or they bribed the inspectors). After Andrew, Dade County came up with their own much more stricter codes. It's only been a few years (2002) since the State enacted a state-wide building code that takes into account hurricane reinforcement. It's still not as strong as the Dade code. That means there's a LOT of homes down here that will suffer substantial damage if another major storm hits a large city.

The homes that were built in South Florida that failed during Andrew had no reinforcement. They were just simple block construction with no ties, no rebar and no down-pours around the openings (doors & windows). They either simply collapsed or the truss work fell over like dominoes.

I'm used to hurricanes. Part of life here. Stock up on water, food and beer And after the crap that happened after Andrew, stock up on ammo.

I'm just sick of hearing idiots (like Brian Norcross) who says stupid things on TV like, "hunker down". http://cbs4.com/bios/local_bio_053140656/

The news weather people here are just plain idiots. It's easy to get people excited in Florida since most of the people here aren't from Florida. They see the images of destroyed mobile homes, poorly built homes and shacks that were destroyed during storms since that's the first place the newscaster go after a storm.

 

[stratman]

Yes, I'm a native Floridian. Born and raised in Fort Lauderdale during the BEST years of Spring Break

Florida builders were selling crap home in South Florida for years. The home I grew up in was built by an architect back in the early '50s. The thing was a freakin' bomb shelter. The stuff that was built in the '70s and '80s was just plain criminal. But they met the building codes at the time (or they bribed the inspectors). After Andrew, Dade County came up with their own much more stricter codes. It's only been a few years (2002) since the State enacted a state-wide building code that takes into account hurricane reinforcement. It's still not as strong as the Dade code. That means there's a LOT of homes down here that will suffer substantial damage if another major storm hits a large city.

The homes that were built in South Florida that failed during Andrew had no reinforcement. They were just simple block construction with no ties, no rebar and no down-pours around the openings (doors & windows). They either simply collapsed or the truss work fell over like dominoes.

I'm used to hurricanes. Part of life here. Stock up on water, food and beer And after the crap that happened after Andrew, stock up on ammo.

I'm just sick of hearing idiots (like Brian Norcross) who says stupid things on TV like, "hunker down". http://cbs4.com/bios/local_bio_053140656/

The news weather people here are just plain idiots. It's easy to get people excited in Florida since most of the people here aren't from Florida. They see the images of destroyed mobile homes, poorly built homes and shacks that were destroyed during storms since that's the first place the newscaster go after a storm.

AMEN! My home was built in '56, my parent's in 40 or 42, we suffered 0 damage during Andrew, I must point out we're about 20 miles north of Homestead, but we still had winds in excess of 125+ mph. If you buy a house down here built after '69 the best thing to do is have a structural engineer give it a once over. Brian Norcross is a dolt. Country Walk (an expensive development in Kendall) had particle board for roof sheeting STAPLED (totally illegal) to the trusses, after the fiasco a bunch of inspectors were kicked out of the county building department, a few went over to Broward's building department and guess what around 3 to 4 years ago Broward did an investigation and also kicked out a number of inspectors for not tagging violations and allegedly taking payments from developers to cut corners. Most of the damage can be averted if contractors and inspectors would do their job. Hurricanes are "over-blown" (no pun intended) by the media, Home Despot loves it because their sales quadruple when the fear mongering starts, generator sales go through the roof (again, no pun) and the majority of people don't know how to connect a generator, so guess what? You get deaths attributed to the storm when in actuality its the numbnuts doing what they shouldn't.

 

[Johnd]

No it really isn't, most damage done by Andrew was due to years of faulty construction

You may be right. I've been intimately involved in construction for 20 years, and I'm here to tell you the typical home is not made to withstand 165 mph winds (Andrew's force at landfall). Period. Whether it be strapping and tie downs, capillary breaks, or venting...165 mph is one hell of a force. And that's what Hurricane Andrew had to offer. You blame the builders. There is no doubt inferior building practices occurred. Your state and municipalities permitted that unfortunate scenario...hopefully, they've learned their lesson.

If I hear 165 mph winds with a storm surge are bearing down on me, I will not hunker down in my cabana hoping it is able to uphold. Nor will I fault my builder for shoddy construction after the storm has passed. I will get as far away from that place as possible in the 3-4-5 days allowed. You know, southern Florida has largely unpredicatable (more accurately, volatile) weather for a reason. And I certainly know nothing of the local forecasts of which you speak. If their forecasts are continually disproportionately inaccurate...call 'em on it.

We have our own issues up here in the north. I've done outdoor work when the air temp was -25 F with wind chills at -72 F...out of necessity, not by choice. (that's dangerously cold for those of you who are unfamiliar). But I knew the storm and the cold was coming because of the weather man (and intellicast). I've also been around long enough to see drastic improvements in forecasting over the past few decades. So I say Hail the weatherman, and for the ne'er-do-wells that spurn the advice of the professionals, we will remain on standby to deal with the casualties of bliss.