On Trump

[jinjuku]

It's an idea at best I think. Mostly in the minds of the wackos on the right.

There are a lot of ideas out there. Those are just ideas. Whacking people with bike locks and cement milk shakes, I think most reasonable and prudent people can think for themselves, is a movement.

"Yes, antifa is a decentralized political movement of various far-left activists opposing fascist and far-right ideologies through direct action, which can include protests, counter-demonstrations, and sometimes property damage or physical altercations. It is not a single organized group but a loose collection of autonomous local groups with no central leadership, united by a shared goal of resisting authoritarianism and racism '

Just let A.I. do it's thing and I don't see much to poke a hole in.

Or we can just ask Andy Ngo.

 

[lovinthehd]

There are a lot of ideas out there. Those are just ideas. Whacking people with bike locks and cement milk shakes, I think most reasonable and prudent people can think for themselves, is a movement.

"Yes, antifa is a decentralized political movement of various far-left activists opposing fascist and far-right ideologies through direct action, which can include protests, counter-demonstrations, and sometimes property damage or physical altercations. It is not a single organized group but a loose collection of autonomous local groups with no central leadership, united by a shared goal of resisting authoritarianism and racism '

Just let A.I. do it's thing and I don't see much to poke a hole in.

Or we can just ask Andy Ngo.

Have no idea what you're on about with bike locks and cement milk shakes, you okay?

Antifa is a fantasy, get over it.

 

[jinjuku]

Have no idea what you're on about with bike locks and cement milk shakes, you okay?

Antifa is a fantasy, get over it.

Lol... What?

Everyone is allowed their opinion but you aren't entitled to manufacturing of 'facts'.

Just google Eric Clanton, philosophy professor at Diablo Valley College,

 

[lovinthehd]

Lol... What?

Everyone is allowed their opinion but you aren't entitled to manufacturing of 'facts'.

Just google Eric Clanton, philosophy professor at Diablo Valley College,

LOL your insisting on antifa as some "thing" to deal with....it's a joke.

 

[jinjuku]

LOL your insisting on antifa as some "thing" to deal with....it's a joke.

You said antifa was an 'idea'. I just did the mildest of searches. Antifa is considered a 'movement'. Please either do one of three things. I would certainly agree they aren't an 'organization'.

1. Point out where I said Antifa or even Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist have to be 'dealt with'
2. If you can't do #1 then the expectation is that you will correct your accusation.
3. Be intellectually diligent and debunk my position that Antifa isn't a movement. This, I understand, would be your toughest option.

I can always ask a mod (I'm a member here don't forget) to look to see if they will action your posts in thread.

 

[Dude#1279435]

From your apparent perspective, I can understand why you would think that but if you were on any other side, the BLM, Antifa, etc bullshyte was worse. BILLIONS, probably tens of billions of dollars in damages and they aren't finished.

I tend to think MAGA is a cult and therefore feelings based. In terms of dollar amount I'd agree BLM, Antifa are worse. (Though I do believe they are finished doing their destruction LOL.) My experience was that in the past the right would call the left looney and accuse them of being feelings oriented and snowflakes. It was ironic considering the right ended up being the very thing they accused the left of during the Trump years.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Speaking of antifa I don't think this aged very well. I remember when Trump said this right during the national debate. That statement ended up being the catalyst for one of the Proud Boys to organize J6. Ah woops.

 

[highfigh]

I tend to think MAGA is a cult and therefore feelings based. In terms of dollar amount I'd agree BLM, Antifa are worse. (Though I do believe they are finished doing their destruction LOL.) My experience was that in the past the right would call the left looney and accuse them of being feelings oriented and snowflakes. It was ironic considering the right ended up being the very thing they accused the left of during the Trump years.

Left & right always see the other side as something bad, crazy or stupid. It's all a pendalum on both sides, but the swing is getting to be more wild than ever. Social media has a lot to answer for, too- organizing protests, takeovers, riots and destruction have never been easier.

Not to make Trump a hero or anything, but is America great? Look at health, education, crime, poverty, mental health, housing, peoples' acts and words used against others or any other metric you want- I don't think this country is what is was or what it could be. I also don't see Congress trying to make it better, just their version of 'better'.

People in many cities don't feel safe, so they don't go out at night- watch interviews (preferably unaffiliated WRT major networks) and that's not right. People should be able to walk in their neighborhoods without fearing attack. Drive-by shootings still happen, they're sometimes random, but many shots are hitting the wrong homes. Criminals are being released because too much importance is placed on their happiness and sometimes, it leads to more crimes commited by them.

The debate won't end here and it won't be solved quickly.

 

[highfigh]

Do you actually believe antifa is a real "organization"?

Define 'organization'. Do you mean with offices, staff, official stance on the ideas being put forth? Or do you mean 'a large number of like-minded groups who communicate and plan protests, create dialog to be used by the protesters, what to wear, masks, etc'? If the latter, then yes, I think it's an organization and the events are not just random. It didn't happen instantaneously- the ones who weren't involved at the beginning saw it happening and decided that they wanted to be part of it.

Not all protesters are local- many travel to cities where protests are planned and yes, they are planned. Whether it was the Milwaukee riots in 1967 or more recently, the mobs included many from Chicago. They should operate at home, not ruin other cities.

Look into flash mobs- they're not necessarily a formal organization but they do a lot of damage in a short time. They have groups on Facebook & Twitter and, I assum other social media- sometimes the police catch these events in time, sometimes not. Organization comes in many forms.

Are gangs considered to be 'organizations'?

 

[GO-NAD!]

This looks like a pretty good summary of what constitutes "Antifa":

Ask PolitiFact: What is antifa?

In the weeks since protests erupted after the death of George Floyd, one mysterious word has consistently popped up in p

www.politifact.com

Between the hard left and hard right, I think there’s more to be concerned about on the right. Why is that? Unity.

The left is made up of numerous groups with as many causes. Those causes often align, but not always.

In 2016, BLM hijacked and held up the Toronto Pride parade to protest against racism. It wasn't long after the Orlando Pulse massacre, so those at the back of the parade - who had no idea what was happening at the front - were getting pretty scared before it got underway again.

This year, pro-Palestinian protesters held up the Ottawa pride parade to the point where it was canceled.

So, you see supposed allied groups at odds with each other.

I seen progressives and Muslims demonstrate together against Islamophobia. I've also seen demonstrations for and against school sex education, with these same groups on opposite sides.

If anyone wants "something done" about a concept as nebulous as antifa, good luck with that.

On the other hand, the far right seems to be able to sing from the same song sheet. I'm sure the various groups may have some differences, but they appear to paper those over for the "greater good". For example, there are groups that strongly support Israel, while others would happily have another Holocaust. But, I haven't heard of any squabbling over it.

Along with its apparent unity, the hard right has the advantage of already having a foot in the door of power, with SCOTUS, Congress and the Senate unwilling to hold the the Trump administration to account.

While the hard left may be able to cause trouble, they'll never achieve significant power, as it's like herding cats. Shear centrifugal force will keep them from unifying for any length of time.

Of course, there's no saying if unity on the right will last. They may eventually have their own "night of the long knives".

Oh, and Andy Ngo? He is what, in literature, would be called an unreliable narrator.

Review: Andy Ngo's new book still pretends antifa's the real enemy

"Unmasked" is a work of right-wing propaganda wearing the mask of journalism. After the Jan. 6 riots, it must be vigorously debunked.

www.latimes.com