jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
It's an idea at best I think. Mostly in the minds of the wackos on the right.
There are a lot of ideas out there. Those are just ideas. Whacking people with bike locks and cement milk shakes, I think most reasonable and prudent people can think for themselves, is a movement.

"Yes, antifa is a decentralized political movement of various far-left activists opposing fascist and far-right ideologies through direct action, which can include protests, counter-demonstrations, and sometimes property damage or physical altercations. It is not a single organized group but a loose collection of autonomous local groups with no central leadership, united by a shared goal of resisting authoritarianism and racism '

Just let A.I. do it's thing and I don't see much to poke a hole in.

Or we can just ask Andy Ngo.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
There are a lot of ideas out there. Those are just ideas. Whacking people with bike locks and cement milk shakes, I think most reasonable and prudent people can think for themselves, is a movement.

"Yes, antifa is a decentralized political movement of various far-left activists opposing fascist and far-right ideologies through direct action, which can include protests, counter-demonstrations, and sometimes property damage or physical altercations. It is not a single organized group but a loose collection of autonomous local groups with no central leadership, united by a shared goal of resisting authoritarianism and racism '

Just let A.I. do it's thing and I don't see much to poke a hole in.

Or we can just ask Andy Ngo.
Have no idea what you're on about with bike locks and cement milk shakes, you okay?

Antifa is a fantasy, get over it.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Have no idea what you're on about with bike locks and cement milk shakes, you okay?

Antifa is a fantasy, get over it.
Lol... What?

Everyone is allowed their opinion but you aren't entitled to manufacturing of 'facts'.

Just google Eric Clanton, philosophy professor at Diablo Valley College,
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Lol... What?

Everyone is allowed their opinion but you aren't entitled to manufacturing of 'facts'.

Just google Eric Clanton, philosophy professor at Diablo Valley College,
LOL your insisting on antifa as some "thing" to deal with....it's a joke.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
LOL your insisting on antifa as some "thing" to deal with....it's a joke.
You said antifa was an 'idea'. I just did the mildest of searches. Antifa is considered a 'movement'. Please either do one of three things. I would certainly agree they aren't an 'organization'.

1. Point out where I said Antifa or even Neo-Nazi/White Supremacist have to be 'dealt with'
2. If you can't do #1 then the expectation is that you will correct your accusation.
3. Be intellectually diligent and debunk my position that Antifa isn't a movement. This, I understand, would be your toughest option.

I can always ask a mod (I'm a member here don't forget) to look to see if they will action your posts in thread.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
From your apparent perspective, I can understand why you would think that but if you were on any other side, the BLM, Antifa, etc bullshyte was worse. BILLIONS, probably tens of billions of dollars in damages and they aren't finished.
I tend to think MAGA is a cult and therefore feelings based. In terms of dollar amount I'd agree BLM, Antifa are worse. (Though I do believe they are finished doing their destruction LOL.) My experience was that in the past the right would call the left looney and accuse them of being feelings oriented and snowflakes. It was ironic considering the right ended up being the very thing they accused the left of during the Trump years.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Warlord
Speaking of antifa I don't think this aged very well.:p I remember when Trump said this right during the national debate. That statement ended up being the catalyst for one of the Proud Boys to organize J6. Ah woops. ;)
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
I tend to think MAGA is a cult and therefore feelings based. In terms of dollar amount I'd agree BLM, Antifa are worse. (Though I do believe they are finished doing their destruction LOL.) My experience was that in the past the right would call the left looney and accuse them of being feelings oriented and snowflakes. It was ironic considering the right ended up being the very thing they accused the left of during the Trump years.
Left & right always see the other side as something bad, crazy or stupid. It's all a pendalum on both sides, but the swing is getting to be more wild than ever. Social media has a lot to answer for, too- organizing protests, takeovers, riots and destruction have never been easier.

Not to make Trump a hero or anything, but is America great? Look at health, education, crime, poverty, mental health, housing, peoples' acts and words used against others or any other metric you want- I don't think this country is what is was or what it could be. I also don't see Congress trying to make it better, just their version of 'better'.

People in many cities don't feel safe, so they don't go out at night- watch interviews (preferably unaffiliated WRT major networks) and that's not right. People should be able to walk in their neighborhoods without fearing attack. Drive-by shootings still happen, they're sometimes random, but many shots are hitting the wrong homes. Criminals are being released because too much importance is placed on their happiness and sometimes, it leads to more crimes commited by them.

The debate won't end here and it won't be solved quickly.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Do you actually believe antifa is a real "organization"?
Define 'organization'. Do you mean with offices, staff, official stance on the ideas being put forth? Or do you mean 'a large number of like-minded groups who communicate and plan protests, create dialog to be used by the protesters, what to wear, masks, etc'? If the latter, then yes, I think it's an organization and the events are not just random. It didn't happen instantaneously- the ones who weren't involved at the beginning saw it happening and decided that they wanted to be part of it.

Not all protesters are local- many travel to cities where protests are planned and yes, they are planned. Whether it was the Milwaukee riots in 1967 or more recently, the mobs included many from Chicago. They should operate at home, not ruin other cities.

Look into flash mobs- they're not necessarily a formal organization but they do a lot of damage in a short time. They have groups on Facebook & Twitter and, I assum other social media- sometimes the police catch these events in time, sometimes not. Organization comes in many forms.

Are gangs considered to be 'organizations'?
 
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