a Democrat Texan wants more gun control...........

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lovinthehd

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Guy was probably in a hurry to play golf with Trumpy ! :eek:
The road would simply have been blocked.
I gave up riding on roads long ago but since the state/DNR have improved old RR track beds and expanded the mileage that can be used for biking/walking/boarding/etc, I only need to cross roads, not ride on them. The roads suck around here and it's much better to not need to dodge idiots in cars & trucks. Unfortunately, some bike riders are idiots, too- they ride 3-4 across and refuse to ride in a line, on the bike trails, either- won't even get out of the way for other bikers. At my size (I'm a bit of a Clydesdale), it would be foolish for most to play Chicken and when someone annoys or pisses me off by being stupid or arrogant, I'm not afraid to.

Could be a deadly weapon if someone drills a little kid or an old, frail person.
True, too but the weight of a car and its speed is generally a far greater concern and issue. That's why sometimes I wish we just kept the paved roads to ourselves (in that bicyclists were the original lobbying party for such :) ).
 
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The road would simply have been blocked.


True, too but the weight of a car and its speed is generally a far greater concern and issue. That's why sometimes I wish we just kept the paved roads to ourselves (in that bicyclists were the original lobbying party for such :) ).
I often rode my bike to work when I was in high school and one day, a semi passed really close to me on a curve that went to the right- I was almost sucked into the wheels so, yeah- cars and truck are my primary concern. The bad roads just add to the charm of the experience,
 
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Danzilla31

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I've been looking through this thread good points by all. Personally I feel realistic gun control sailed a long time ago. They should have been on this 30 40 50 years ago. You have WAY too many in circulation out there now. It's not really the legal ones that are now the issue. It's the illegal ones.

Even if they successfully buy back legal guns your never going to get the illegal ones back in this country. Which leaves regular citizens at the mercy of anyone with intent and a gun to do harm or commit crime.

When I was younger I was really into the underground poker scene here in San Antonio. There was a private card game everywhere. I mixed with a lot of people at those games. From lawyers and doctors to gangsters and drug dealers.

You would not believe how easy it was for me to get access to any gun I wanted with some of those contacts at those games.

I retired from all that. But still stay in contact with the fellas. One of my good friends when Covid hit contacted me and asked me if I needed any guns just in case. Not just guns I mean you name it I could get it for cheap too.

There's no way your going to get all the illegal ones in big cities like Chicago that are causing all these issues. And it's the illegal ones that are creating most of the problems.

It's why it's so hard for some of the places with the strictest gun control laws to get a handle on this. There going about it all a,$$ backwards. Putting all this effort on getting guns out of the hands of citizens is not the way. You have to target the areas in crime that are bringing in the illegal ones.

With that being said stricter background checks waiting periods and training and certification requirements I'm down with on the legal side of things
 
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I've been looking through this thread good points by all. Personally I feel realistic gun control sailed a long time ago. They should have been on this 30 40 50 years ago. You have WAY too many in circulation out there now. It's not really the legal ones that are now the issue. It's the illegal ones.

Even if they successfully buy back legal guns your never going to get the illegal ones back in this country. Which leaves regular citizens at the mercy of anyone with intent and a gun to do harm or commit crime.

When I was younger I was really into the underground poker scene here in San Antonio. There was a private card game everywhere. I mixed with a lot of people at those games. From lawyers and doctors to gangsters and drug dealers.

You would not believe how easy it was for me to get access to any gun I wanted with some of those contacts at those games.

I retired from all that. But still stay in contact with the fellas. One of my good friends when Covid hit contacted me and asked me if I needed any guns just in case. Not just guns I mean you name it I could get it for cheap too.

There's no way your going to get all the illegal ones in big cities like Chicago that are causing all these issues. And it's the illegal ones that are creating most of the problems.

It's why it's so hard for some of the places with the strictest gun control laws to get a handle on this. There going about it all a,$$ backwards. Putting all this effort on getting guns out of the hands of citizens is not the way. You have to target the areas in crime that are bringing in the illegal ones.

With that being said stricter background checks waiting periods and training and certification requirements I'm down with on the legal side of things
It's just a matter of knowing the right people, as usual. I don't understand why government doesn't know this- black markets have been around for hundreds, if not thousands, of years. "Whatever you need, I got a guy" isn't a new phrase.

If government would stop telling us what we need and get their heads out of their asses, they might be able to do something useful.
 
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corneileous

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I've been looking through this thread good points by all. Personally I feel realistic gun control sailed a long time ago. They should have been on this 30 40 50 years ago. You have WAY too many in circulation out there now. It's not really the legal ones that are now the issue. It's the illegal ones.

Even if they successfully buy back legal guns your never going to get the illegal ones back in this country. Which leaves regular citizens at the mercy of anyone with intent and a gun to do harm or commit crime.

When I was younger I was really into the underground poker scene here in San Antonio. There was a private card game everywhere. I mixed with a lot of people at those games. From lawyers and doctors to gangsters and drug dealers.

You would not believe how easy it was for me to get access to any gun I wanted with some of those contacts at those games.

I retired from all that. But still stay in contact with the fellas. One of my good friends when Covid hit contacted me and asked me if I needed any guns just in case. Not just guns I mean you name it I could get it for cheap too.

There's no way your going to get all the illegal ones in big cities like Chicago that are causing all these issues. And it's the illegal ones that are creating most of the problems.

It's why it's so hard for some of the places with the strictest gun control laws to get a handle on this. There going about it all a,$$ backwards. Putting all this effort on getting guns out of the hands of citizens is not the way. You have to target the areas in crime that are bringing in the illegal ones.

With that being said stricter background checks waiting periods and training and certification requirements I'm down with on the legal side of things
I was actually enjoying reading your post up until that last part but how can you say you’re “down with” stricter BG checks and waiting periods when you literally just got done saying like 4 paragraphs ago on how easy it was for someone to get a gun? Was your poker buddy gonna take you to a nearby FFL and make you fill out the form before he sold you a gun you were telling us about had you been interested in one? I didn’t think he would have either so how can you say you’re “down with” infringing BG checks and waiting periods when you just proved just how easy it was for a criminal or anybody for that matter to bypass these silly gun control laws?

You said you’re “down with” the legal side of things….. why? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I think people should seek real training and really learn the laws of their state if they’re gonna keep a gun around or carry one for protection because these days it’s real easy to not know what will keep you out of and what will most definitely get you thrown in jail the minute you exercise that second amendment right, especially in these states with the most gun restriction and laws so knowing your laws is important but, why care about the legal side of gun buying when the majority of gun buying is going to be illegal?


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Gun haters just don't get it. People that are NOT law abiding are not going to give up their guns. They just laugh at the gullible law abiding people that do.
 
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corneileous

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Gun haters just don't get it. People that are NOT law abiding are not going to give up their guns. They just laugh at the gullible law abiding people that do.
Pretty much. The bad people and real criminals love it each and every time the gun haters try to come up with a new gun law because that just makes life a whole lot easier for them every time they put up a no gun sign or any other law that further restricts the law abiding citizens.






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Danzilla31

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I was actually enjoying reading your post up until that last part but how can you say you’re “down with” stricter BG checks and waiting periods when you literally just got done saying like 4 paragraphs ago on how easy it was for someone to get a gun? Was your poker buddy gonna take you to a nearby FFL and make you fill out the form before he sold you a gun you were telling us about had you been interested in one? I didn’t think he would have either so how can you say you’re “down with” infringing BG checks and waiting periods when you just proved just how easy it was for a criminal or anybody for that matter to bypass these silly gun control laws?

You said you’re “down with” the legal side of things….. why? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I think people should seek real training and really learn the laws of their state if they’re gonna keep a gun around or carry one for protection because these days it’s real easy to not know what will keep you out of and what will most definitely get you thrown in jail the minute you exercise that second amendment right, especially in these states with the most gun restriction and laws so knowing your laws is important but, why care about the legal side of gun buying when the majority of gun buying is going to be illegal?


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I know in this current political climate it seems like everything has to be an extreme but I still believe in balance. Not every point democrats make about this are invalid.

Absolute deregulation is just as problematic as over regulation.

If conservatives want to gripe about there being realistic checks and balances on voter laws. (Which I agree with by the way) Then the same should apply to legally acquiring a gun. And people should be held to some training.

You have to train consistently with that type of tool. An average citizen just owning one with no real training is more likely to get themselves in trouble with a tool that lethal.

Plus those checks and balances can keep that impulsive buyer from just picking one up and going off. Which has happened by the way. If a few impulsive buys are prevented and it saves some lives while somebody cools there head a little and hopefully has a change of heart it's worth it if it saves a life.

Besides life is a game of compromises. We'll never get people to focus on the real problem if you don't put some compromises on the legal side of it.

We're never going to get everything we want. I think it's a realistic compromise that's all.
 
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Pretty much. The bad people and real criminals love it each and every time the gun haters try to come up with a new gun law because that just makes life a whole lot easier for them every time they put up a no gun sign or any other law that further restricts the law abiding citizens.

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Someone needs to find out how much news the criminals watch, read and listen to. Apparently, it's not freaking much, because the news constantly harps about the murder rate and how many children are dying because of the idiots with guns who aren't supposed to have them.

Maybe, the reports and articles should insult the criminals, just to get a reaction, with police guarding the stations to intercept the potential shooters when they show up to gun down the reporters who pissed them off.
 
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Danzilla31

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"mean, don’t get me wrong, I think people should seek real training and really learn the laws of their state if they’re gonna keep a gun around or carry one for protection because these days it’s real easy to not know what will keep you out of and what will most definitely get you thrown in jail the minute you exercise that second amendment right, especially in these states with the most gun restriction and laws so knowing your laws is important" but, why care about the legal side of gun buying


This right here if you think the majority of people in our current society will actually self discipline themselves to do this without some legal incentive to do it well I don't know what to tell you.

It's the same reason we have speeding laws for the highway. Because if you didn't too many people wouldn't follow them. Just too many knuckleheads out there
 
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If conservatives want to gripe about there being realistic checks and balances on voter laws. (Which I agree with by the way) Then the same should apply to legally acquiring a gun. And people should be held to some training.

You have to train consistently with that type of tool. An average citizen just owning one with no real training is more likely to get themselves in trouble with a tool that lethal.
After the last time I went to a range, I'll probably never go back to that one. Nobody made sure that some of the people who went in to practice had a clue about guns or safety. The guy to my left hurt his hand- I don't know if it was 'slide bite' or if he shot something at the ceiling and it ricocheted, but someone was watching and came down to check on him. Someone came down with a long gun and blasted 5 rounds in the lane next to me, jumped up & down, yelling "Is this f&cking great, or what?" before running upstairs again. I'm not sure long guns are supposed to be used in that part of the range. Two lanes over, a newb was firing at one of those big, paper targets with a silhouette of a person- it took at least five rounds to nick the bottom edge- the rest of it was pristine.

I would like mandatory training with certificates when someone reaches higher levels of competence. THAT could be rewarded, not just having a larger arsenal. The first is an accomplishment, the latter is just for fragile egos.
 
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corneileous

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Someone needs to find out how much news the criminals watch, read and listen to. Apparently, it's not freaking much, because the news constantly harps about the murder rate and how many children are dying because of the idiots with guns who aren't supposed to have them.

Maybe, the reports and articles should insult the criminals, just to get a reaction, with police guarding the stations to intercept the potential shooters when they show up to gun down the reporters who pissed them off.
Unfortunately, people are going to do dumb things. I hate it when people leave guns out for kids to get their hands on no but what do you do?

It’s just like with this guy… there’s just no excuse to not know this stuff but hey, we just can’t spend our lives worrying about what other people do.


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corneileous

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It's the same reason we have speeding laws for the highway. Because if you didn't too many people wouldn't follow them. Just too many knuckleheads out there
Man, we already have people breaking the speed limit every day even though it is posted but really, and I’m not advocating getting rid of all speed limits but what does the speed limit do to slow people down? Nothing.


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Man, we already have people breaking the speed limit every day even though it is posted but really, and I’m not advocating getting rid of all speed limits but what does the speed limit do to slow people down? Nothing.


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I feel that your just making my point. They already won't follow rules responsibly even when they are enforced as laws. All it does is slow people down. But take off the speed bumps and what's going to happen

You feel your way I feel mine. Here's how I feel you need some kind of regulations with even the legal side of gun control. You can't trust the masses to do the right thing.

You gotta compromise. Refusing to compromise because some people out there won't follow the laws so what's the point of even trying type of point is not good enough of a discouraging point to convince me.
 
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corneileous

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I feel that your just making my point. They already won't follow rules responsibly even when they are enforced as laws. All it does is slow people down. But take off the speed bumps and what's going to happen

You feel your way I feel mine. Here's how I feel you need some kind of regulations with even the legal side of gun control. You can't trust the masses to do the right thing.

You gotta compromise. Refusing to compromise because some people out there won't follow the laws so what's the point of even trying type of point is not good enough of a discouraging point to convince me.
Well you know, I guess I don’t necessarily consider myself as a Second Amendment extremist but I still do believe that a lot of gun control laws are in fact unconstitutional. I realize there’s bad people on this planet and no, I do believe there are some people that shouldn’t be allowed to have guns and at least when the laws finally catches up to them they’re usually dealt with and handled accordingly but on certain things, I guess as far as having to fill out a redundant background check every time I want to go purchase a gun legally, I have nothing on my record to hide but what I don’t like is this proposition to still make me wait how ever long of time they’re pushing for when a normal background check is usually pretty thorough at looking at enough reason why an FFL dealer shouldn’t sell a gun to a specific person. Every gun I’ve bought, I was in the gun store for no more then 45 minutes when I started the process of purchasing one. There’s no need why that needs to take any longer.

Also what I don’t like is some of the things that a background check will find that will disqualify somebody from being able to purchase a gun. Now, if a guy who just got out of prison for serving 20 years for killing somebody or of that nature, I don’t believe that person should be able to buy a gun legally just because they’ve already pretty much proven themselves that having a gun is what put them in prison in the first place but say somebody got a felony gun charge for carrying a gun without a permit… keep in mind, this is not a dangerous person. Even if that personally spent a minimal amount of time in jail and was fined and all that other stuff, should that guy not be able to buy a gun legally? Just because, oh my God, he got caught carrying one without a permit.

Now on to permits. I’m really glad that my state of Oklahoma almost 2 years ago made it to where you no longer have to pay for your rights and I’m glad that so many other states have done the same thing but other states, you shouldn’t have to pay for your rights. The state should not be making money from people wanting to exercise their constitutional right. This is still kind of redundant in my case because I still purchase a permit every five years because when I travel, I like being able to carry in other states but still, those other states should not be profiting on allowing their citizens to exercise a constitutional right.

The inability to purchase a handgun in a state in which you do not reside in. You can buy a rifle, but you cannot buy a handgun. Tell me why this is and why we need such a law? I really don’t see how it’s for safety because if somebody wanted to travel outside of their state to another state to go murder somebody, they can very easily bring their own gun or once they get there, they can buy one illegally off the street or steal it, so tell me how that does any good?

Reciprocity; I’m not advocating for the government to step in and force that national reciprocity legislation on the states simply because that would involve the government coming in and taking individual states rights away but these states that don’t want to honor permits from other states it’s just stupid. If I was to travel to California for vacation, I would sure like to be able to take my pistol with me but due to California’s laws on not reciprocating with other states, I would be breaking the law if I brought it anyway.

Magazine restrictions; why? Although I don’t necessarily agree with it when it comes to A.R. 15‘s but at least I can a lot more understand it on those when it comes to 30 round magazines but why handguns? And yes, I know, in most situations of when you’ll have to defend yourself, you shouldn’t need a 17 round magazine to do that but still, nobody knows just what kind of self-defense situation they may encounter and who knows, the person doing the assaulting might be armed with a lot more ammunition than what you have if you’re following a magazine restriction law.

The states that have the “may” issue attitude versus the “shall” issue when it comes to issuing permits. Why should somebody have to come up with a good reason to meet their criteria in order to be allowed their rights when just going outside of your house is plenty of a reason to carry? Nobody knows when they’re going to get mugged, assaulted, or attacked.

But like I said, I agree there’s certain people who shouldn’t have guns; even though they still get them anyway, I still think certain people shouldn’t have guns but unfortunately the way the laws are right now, they put far too much restriction on the people who do deserve them and they virtually do nothing to keep them out of the wrong hands.

When it comes to idiots who leave guns out for their kids to mess with, there’s no way to restrict that because that all comes down to proper parenting. Maybe we need to do like we did in the old days and actually have gun safety courses in school so that people are being taught stuff about guns because see, when so many people start chanting that not enough people‘s getting trained, the fact of the matter is, they probably aren’t because nobody seems to push for any real gun training like they do when a kid is going to go get his drivers license.

You might think I’m a little biased because yes, I am a truck driver and I see it every day but just like how there’s so many accidents these days involving passenger cars and semi‘s when, I know, there’s a lot of people in trucks these days that have no business piloting an 80,000 pound machine but on the other side, there’s also not a whole lot of training and teaching that takes place that tells people how you should and how you shouldn’t drive around a large truck.


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Unfortunately, people are going to do dumb things. I hate it when people leave guns out for kids to get their hands on no but what do you do?

It’s just like with this guy… there’s just no excuse to not know this stuff but hey, we just can’t spend our lives worrying about what other people do.


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Does this qualify as 'dumb'?


Go Bucks.
 
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This right here if you think the majority of people in our current society will actually self discipline themselves to do this without some legal incentive to do it well I don't know what to tell you.

It's the same reason we have speeding laws for the highway. Because if you didn't too many people wouldn't follow them. Just too many knuckleheads out there
With 327 million people, a small percentage going kabonk can do a lot of damage.

Yeah, traffic laws. Those aren't working very well, lately.
 
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Why would that not be? I don’t understand why you’re asking me this.


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Just reinforcing the point.

I could make a comment about why MKE has had so many shootings at that intersection recently, but people would call me 'racist'. The details and stats don't lie, though. It's not a matter of racism, it's facts.
 
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diskreet

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Just reinforcing the point.

I could make a comment about why MKE has had so many shootings at that intersection recently, but people would call me 'racist'. The details and stats don't lie, though. It's not a matter of racism, it's facts.
It's racism if you think there's some evil magic related to skin pigmentation that makes people inherently good or bad (implying somehow skin color/race are a cause). It's statistics to say the majority of shootings in X location are done by Y race (effect).
 

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