2nd Impeachment of Trump

Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
A day or so I watched Bill Maher's first episode for this year and he had Mrs Conway as first guest, and she was pretty much defending Trump as usual, but with some small distance and reflection compared to before.

Mrs Conway left her position as a Trump advisor while Mr Conway left the Lincoln Project, so I sort of expected a tit-for-tat and here we are.

"I believe in truth, democracy and the rule of law. I believe in a lot of other things as well, but after the past four years, these seem most important now.​
I believe truth isn’t always easy to find, or to face. I believe that, as human beings, we tend to believe what we want to believe, because that’s easier, more soothing and convenient. But I believe, as the late senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.) said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. I believe that if you don’t change your views as you learn new facts, then many of the facts you believe probably aren’t facts.​
I believe Donald Trump is an enemy of truth. I believe he’s a con man, a pathological liar — now the most prodigiously documented liar in American history, if not the history of the world. I believe he doesn’t care about, and may not even fully comprehend, the difference between truth and lies, between honesty and mendacity. I believe he has always said what he wants to believe, what he wants others to believe, and what he thinks he can get away with, and always will.​
I believe that, as president, Trump was a danger to democracy and the rule of law, precisely because he was a danger to truth. But I believe his lies weren’t necessarily the most damaging ones to our country. Equally harmful, if not more so, were the lies that allowed him to flourish — not just others’ repetition of his lies, but also lies that many told themselves and others to justify not contradicting them — that you can’t take him literally, that you need to look at what he does or that his policies justified it all.​
I believe many people didn’t know any better than to believe Trump’s lies, and still don’t. But I believe that the ignorance, intellectual indolence or hatred of those who don’t know better can’t excuse the failures of those who do, who could have said something, but didn’t because they felt it too inconvenient, unpleasant or politically perilous to do so. I believe it’s good, and I’m grateful, that some who were politically aligned with him are speaking out against him now. But I believe the country could have been saved great anguish had they done so before.​
At one time, I believed, because I wanted to believe, that Trump could be a good president, or at least a passable one. I wanted to believe that, because I believed in many of the policies he, his party and his administration have professed to believe in. I still believe in many of these policies, even though Trump’s incompetence and perfidy have discredited them. And I believed that those who rise to the great office of the presidency often rise to the occasion, out of appreciation of something greater than themselves, and that Trump would do the same.​
I believe I was wrong. I believe that not because I want to, but because the facts — mostly, Trump’s own words and actions — showed otherwise. As time went on, I came to believe Trump was a terrible president, and could never become a good one, and that, indeed, he was far worse that many of his critics, whom I had disagreed with, had made him out to be.​
I came to believe Trump was mentally, psychologically and morally unfit for the high office he held, and, indeed, any position of public (or even private) trust. I came to believe he will go down in history as the worst president America ever had. I came to believe that his pathologies fostered division and hatred, and potentially violence, and rendered him incapable of achieving persuasion and consensus, and therefore incapable of successful governance.​
And I came to believe he was a grave threat to democracy and the rule of law, and that he cared about neither.​
I believe Trump’s conduct during the past 78 days alone has proved these views correct, and it makes me deeply sad. I believe his deceitful attacks on the election results, and by extension on the Constitution he swore to uphold, were the metastasis of his moral deficiencies and psychological disorders. As for the insurrection he incited, I believe it never should have come to that, but thanks to Trump (and his enablers), it was always going to come to that.​
I believe there is hope for the country, because I believe truth wins out in the end. I believe it’s already starting to. I believe many who supported Trump are beginning to see their mistakes, and that, his influence will wane as he fades into history as a pariah.​
I believe that, even though we may disagree, strongly, about policy issues of the day, there is more that should unite us than divide us: belief in democracy, the rule of law, freedom of speech and religion, equality under the law and so many other things. I believe that if we always remember that, our democracy will survive.​
I believe President-elect Joe Biden understands that, and will act accordingly. And although four short years ago,​
I could have never imagined myself saying so, and even though I will disagree with many policies he may enact, I believe that, for this simple reason, he will serve America well.​
I believe we should pray for our new president, and pray for our country."​
 
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Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
This article is somewhat interesting.

>>>“The President Threw Us Under the Bus”: Embedding With Pentagon Leadership in Trump’s Chaotic Last Week
Throughout the final, frenzied days of the Trump administration, a reporter rode shotgun with the outgoing acting defense secretary, Christopher Miller, the man who, under the distracted eye of his commander in chief, became America’s de facto guardian.<<<

 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
This article is somewhat interesting.

>>>“The President Threw Us Under the Bus”: Embedding With Pentagon Leadership in Trump’s Chaotic Last Week
Throughout the final, frenzied days of the Trump administration, a reporter rode shotgun with the outgoing acting defense secretary, Christopher Miller, the man who, under the distracted eye of his commander in chief, became America’s de facto guardian.SIZE]

Truly frightening, truly. I read it this morning.

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Just saw something reporting that he spent his first night outside the whitehouse trying to find legal representation for the impeachment....let alone other things, seems no one wants to play Roy Cohn for him now.
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Just saw something reporting that he spent his first night outside the whitehouse trying to find legal representation for the impeachment....let alone other things, seems no one wants to play Roy Cohn for him now.
There is always runny dye hair Rudy!

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
There is always runny dye hair Rudy!

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Oh, don't forget the rude one has said he can't represent because he's now a witness.... LOL\

PS That Sidney gal's been sued for $1.3B too....such fun!
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Oh, don't forget the rude one has said he can't represent because he's now a witness.... LOL\

PS That Sidney gal's been sued for $1.3B too....such fun!
1.3 B as in billion! Seriously? She is as crazy as a poop house rat so I'm not surprised. Rudy is right there with the crazy.

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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
1.3 B as in billion! Seriously? She is as crazy as a poop house rat so I'm not surprised. Rudy is right there with the crazy.

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Yeah B! Not that she has it :).

The Dominion folk she and the qanon/idiotic republicans have been blaming I guess are tired of having their brand being smudged....the power of the marketplace, how appropriate.
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Yeah B! Not that she has it :).

The Dominion folk she and the qanon/idiotic republicans have been blaming I guess are tired of having their brand being smudged....the power of the marketplace, how appropriate.
Oh right, that's right, Dominion. They are gonna win that easy. Put them in the poor house is fine with me.

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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
According to BTC, McConnell blocked the Dems attempt on the second impeachment while Trump was in office, then said something about Trump's wrongdoing, but in the end voted to acquit him. Similar to Graham's "we have to let go of Trump" but then supports Laura Trump in NC because the current Republican senator voted to impeach Trump. It sounds like the tactic was to stall the trial till after Trump was out of office so they could use the argument that you can't indict a president out of office. No real surprise but fyi.

It's why I lean towards the side McConnell wouldn't have stopped the election from being stolen. Even though he said it's over (after 60/61 attempts failed), I still don't believe him.
 
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Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
According to BTC, McConnell blocked the Dems attempt on the second impeachment while Trump was in office, then said something about Trump's wrongdoing, but in the end voted to acquit him. Similar to Graham's "we have to let go of Trump" but then supports Laura Trump in NC because the current Republican senator voted to impeach Trump. It sounds like the tactic was to stall the trial till after Trump was out of office so they could use the argument that you can't indict a president out of office. No real surprise but fyi.

It's why I lean towards the side McConnell wouldn't have stopped the election from being stolen. Even though he said it's over (after 60/61 attempts failed), I still don't believe him.
GOP has become increasingly autocratic/authoritarian during the Trump presidency and Trump has shown himself to be a fascist with using political violence to overturn the election. The scary part is that a non-minor part of GOP is fascist as well, and that is not something I've thought about GOP before the insurrection.
 
Trell

Trell

Audioholic Spartan
The major target of these new GOP voting restrictions is to block people of color to vote.


"GOP state lawmakers across the country have proposed a flurry of voting restrictions that they say are needed to restore confidence in U.S. elections, an effort intended to placate supporters of former president Donald Trump who believe his false claims that the 2020 outcome was rigged.

But the effort is dividing Republicans, some of whom are warning that it will tar the GOP as the party of voter suppression and give Democrats ammunition to mobilize their supporters ahead of the 2022 midterms.
The proposals include measures that would curtail eligibility to vote by mail and prohibit the use of ballot drop boxes. One bill in Georgia would block early voting on Sundays, which critics quickly labeled a flagrant attempt to thwart Souls to the Polls, the Democratic turnout effort that targets Black churchgoers on the final Sunday before an election.

States where such legislation is under consideration also include Arizona, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
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highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
The major target of these new GOP voting restrictions is to block people of color to vote.


"GOP state lawmakers across the country have proposed a flurry of voting restrictions that they say are needed to restore confidence in U.S. elections, an effort intended to placate supporters of former president Donald Trump who believe his false claims that the 2020 outcome was rigged.

But the effort is dividing Republicans, some of whom are warning that it will tar the GOP as the party of voter suppression and give Democrats ammunition to mobilize their supporters ahead of the 2022 midterms.
The proposals include measures that would curtail eligibility to vote by mail and prohibit the use of ballot drop boxes. One bill in Georgia would block early voting on Sundays, which critics quickly labeled a flagrant attempt to thwart Souls to the Polls, the Democratic turnout effort that targets Black churchgoers on the final Sunday before an election.

States where such legislation is under consideration also include Arizona, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
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If they're trying to do that here, they're being very quiet about it because it would have become known in this county, which is the most populated in the state. It also has the largest concentration of minorities. Drop boxes were used all over the last time, as well as mail-in ballots. If this becomes publicly known, you're going to hear it in Sweden without using electronic communication.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
The major target of these new GOP voting restrictions is to block people of color to vote.


"GOP state lawmakers across the country have proposed a flurry of voting restrictions that they say are needed to restore confidence in U.S. elections, an effort intended to placate supporters of former president Donald Trump who believe his false claims that the 2020 outcome was rigged.

But the effort is dividing Republicans, some of whom are warning that it will tar the GOP as the party of voter suppression and give Democrats ammunition to mobilize their supporters ahead of the 2022 midterms.
The proposals include measures that would curtail eligibility to vote by mail and prohibit the use of ballot drop boxes. One bill in Georgia would block early voting on Sundays, which critics quickly labeled a flagrant attempt to thwart Souls to the Polls, the Democratic turnout effort that targets Black churchgoers on the final Sunday before an election.

States where such legislation is under consideration also include Arizona, Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.
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It's not difficult to see they're targeting the methods Democrats use to vote. Most of the states listed were the ones in question during the election fraud fiasco. TX isn't really close, yet, but Florida is usually neck-and-neck.
 
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Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
It's not difficult to see they're targeting the methods Democrats use to vote. Most of the states listed were the ones in question during the election fraud fiasco. TX isn't really close, yet, but Florida is usually neck-and-neck.
Well yeah thats what Damoc-rats do, they give and give, the more they give the more free money, food stamps, welfare. Why work when the Damoc-rats will just give it to you.
 
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Dude#1279435

Audioholic Spartan
Well yeah thats what Damoc-rats do, they give and give, the more they give the more free money, food stamps, welfare. Why work when the Damoc-rats will just give it to you.
So it's ok to cheat to win because you know better than the Democrats?
 
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lp85253

Audioholic Chief
Well yeah thats what Damoc-rats do, they give and give, the more they give the more free money, food stamps, welfare. Why work when the Damoc-rats will just give it to you.
Kinda funny how the last 4 years have been a complete dumpster fire brought about 100% by the guy that got elected to the white house and somehow it's (everything )the dems fault..did i say funny? I may have to reconsider the definition of funny...
 
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Hetfield

Audioholic Samurai
Kinda funny how the last 4 years have been a complete dumpster fire brought about 100% by the guy that got elected to the white house and somehow it's (everything )the dems fault..did i say funny? I may have to reconsider the definition of funny...
Even blaming Democrats for what it's going on in Texas which is a tragedy but come on they way they are passing around blame.

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