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[lp85253]

I thought it was in the late-'70s or early-'80s that they were saying we're headed toward another Ice Age. My, how things have changed.

A bridge over the entrance to the Milwaukee harbor was built in the '70s and between the time of design and completion, the water level rose so much that most freight ships couldn't pass under, so they had to dredge the entrance. More recently, the water level has changed drastically between low and high. In the late-'80s, I was on a boat with friends when we went to an event at the lakefront- we tied to the sea wall and climbed up the ladder on the wall; must have been over ten feet. Fast forward, a friends' boat was docked at a local yacht club and at some point, he had to add a step below the dock in order to step into the boat without dealing with a major height difference. Same boat and slip, ten years later, he had to add a step ON the dock, to allow stepping up to get into the boat. This past Winter, Lake Michigan didn't freeze and a bad storm rolled through with 50 MPH winds, along with 20 plus foot waves. The water is only a few feet below the top of the break walls on a calm day but when the wind comes from the East, Northeast or Southeast, it goes over the walls easily. No ice, high water level and high wind caused this- the place was so heavily damaged that they had no boats docking and then, COVID struck, so they basically lost most of the business they would have had. Still waiting on Federal aid (FEMA)- if it has come in, the County may have used it for something else.

https://www.fox6now.com/weather/freak-s/torm-damaged-port-milwaukee-south-shore-yacht-club-pleasant-prairie-home

that was a magazine article (*time* i think) that the right wing has pulled outta it's rear end as "proof" global warming is "non existent, not man made", or whatever else they want to claim at the moment.. admittedly the article was pretty widely accepted as possible for a while...

 

[lp85253]

Not sure I remember that. My whole life has been "Warming" issues, and my earliest memories are of Polar Bears and shrinking ice. I can't say I remember talk of an Ice age. Though clearly that would suck just as much..!

global warming has been widely accepted since the early 90's iirc..

 

[lp85253]

If you watch the video, go to 1:02 and you'll see a white lighthouse- we tied up to go in less than ten years ago and the water was well below the top of the wall. The waterline can be seen on the concrete base and it's above the level of the door sill. The sea wall at about 1:45 is only about 3'-4' from the water and a walkway was usable for walking and fishing but that's covered, now.

are tidal conditions being taken into consideration? reading the entire post *lake Michigan* correct?.. there would be run off variables as well ...

 

[Trebdp83]

Ice ages will be back. Earth will shift on its axis at some point. These things will happen a long time from now and we will all be dead and gone seein' as how we have a short life span. So, let's waste what little time we have and shave off a few of those precious years complainin' about assholes and eatin' bacon and eggs.

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

I was, too.

The important thing about LBJ, in my opinion is that he evolved. For whatever reason he's thinking changed and in the end he did the right thing. I draw a similar parallel on Obama with same-sex marriage. And my point isn't to lionize either of these man. But to show that progression in thinking is possible and often a good thing over time, that lead to positive results. Can't we all agree on that at least?

 

[lp85253]

The important thing about LBJ, in my opinion is that he evolved. For whatever reason he's thinking changed and in the end he did the right thing. I draw a similar parallel on Obama with same-sex marriage. And my point isn't to lionize either of these man. But to show that progression in thinking is possible and often a good thing oh, that lead to positive results. Can't we all agree on that at least?

i see Biden a a possible evolution to the LBJ period..

 

[Trebdp83]

Those f#%kers live and die by the polls. Most won't risk a win by standing for something. A few years in, and the voters start screaming, they change their tune. Most of those f#%kers have been campaigning for themselves their whole life long. It's why they'll do anything to stay around. They don't know how to do much else except charge outrageous amounts of money for speaking engagements once they are out of office. Yikes, there I go wasting precious time.

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

are tidal conditions being taken into consideration?

Oh my friend, I live now and grew up on the waters of Lake St Clair, the Detroit, and Clinton, and St Mary's rivers as well as 3 of the Great Lakes. I've watched up close, and I've had my Marinas dredged before we could put the boats in twice. In fully aware without video of what's happening. I can walk out 50 yards if dirt and weeds where 3ft of water used to be at the seawall not a mile from me now on Lake St Clair.

I'm not sure of the correlation to the video and Ice Age. I skipped thru it. Maybe I'll watch again. But I saw where it was going and figured I already knew first hand about the water levels.

BTW, you realize a good part of this is the Earth's crust still rising in "rebound" from the monster Glacier that used to sit here, and created the Great Lakes. I think if I remember the Erie canal, and Niagara Falls are both on borrowed time as the crust continues to rise.

There are more than melting glaciers to consider when discussing water levels in the St Lawrence waterways and Great Lakes. When I was young I thought it was just bad snow years, or warm winters. But in truth there are Geologic forces at work that have been and continue to play a large part.

 

[lp85253]

Oh my friend, I live now and grew up on the waters of Lake St Clair, the Detroit, and Clinton, and St Mary's rivers as well as 3 of the Great Lakes. I've watched up close, and I've had my Marinas dredged before we could put the boats in twice. In fully aware without video of what's happening. I can walk out 50 yards if dirt and weeds where 3ft of water used to be at the seawall not a mile from me now on Lake St Clair.

I'm not sure of the correlation to the video and Ice Age. I skipped thru it. Maybe I'll watch again. But I saw where it was going and figured I already knew first hand about the water levels.

BTW, you realize a good part of this is the Earth's crust still rising in "rebound" from the monster Glacier that used to sit here, and created the Great Lakes. I think if I remember the Erie canal, and Niagara Falls are both on borrowed time as the crust continues to rise.

There are more than melting glaciers to consider when discussing water levels in the St Lawrence waterways and Great Lakes. When I was young I thought it was just bad snow years, or warm winters. But in truth there are Geologic forces at work that have been and continue to play a large part.

now that's interesting.. i'm a native resident of the desert southwest.. that great lakes historical reference is all new stuff for me.. i'm going to have to read up , that's the kinda stuff that interests me

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

now that's interesting.. i'm a native resident of the desert southwest.. that great lakes historical reference is all new stuff for me.. i'm going to have to read up , that's the kinda stuff that interests me

I was blown away actually when I learned this. It's pretty amazing, but you can see it in the recorded altitude of the state and lake bottoms in regard to height above sea level.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I....

https://www.fox6now.com/weather/freak-s/torm-damaged-port-milwaukee-south-shore-yacht-club-pleasant-prairie-home

Not working.

 

[mtrycrafts]

that was a magazine article (*time* i think) that the right wing has pulled outta it's rear end as "proof" global warming is "non existent, not man made", or whatever else they want to claim at the moment.. admittedly the article was pretty widely accepted as possible for a while...

How about that congress person who brought a snowball to congress to show global warming is a hoax.

 

[mtrycrafts]

global warming has been widely accepted since the early 90's iirc..

Even an Exxon scientist before that so stated in company papers that have been kept under lock.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The important thing about LBJ, in my opinion is that he evolved. For whatever reason he's thinking changed and in the end he did the right thing. ..

He probably saw the signs and wanted to be on the right side of history?

 

[mtrycrafts]

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BTW, you realize a good part of this is the Earth's crust still rising in "rebound" from the monster Glacier that used to sit here, and created the Great Lakes. I think if I remember the Erie canal, and Niagara Falls are both on borrowed time as the crust continues to rise.
...

Yep, been reading about this result of the huge mass loss above the soil and how that will rise. Yet, low waterfront areas will get flooded nevertheless.

 

[lp85253]

How about that congress person who brought a snowball to congress to show global warming is a hoax.

i remember that.. it was ridiculous ...

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

He probably saw the signs and wanted to be on the right side of history?

I'll buy that... I've read about some of this in Biographies, but have come to the conclusion that no matter the reason, being on the right side is the important thing.

This is just my personal opinion. People do all manner of things for a plethora if reasons. Some you can understand, others maybe not. But your decision, your choice in the end is what matters.

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

How about that congress person who brought a snowball to congress to show global warming is a hoax.

Inhoff from Oklahoma. Bought and paid for by oil and gas... Frustratingly stupid. And not even the decency to be embarrassed.

I'm also reminded of recently Sen Ben Sasse (just reelected BTW) making his point on masks in March I think by wearing a gas mask on the floor of the Senate. *sigh*

 

[mtrycrafts]

Yep, been reading about this result of the huge mass loss above the soil and how that will rise. Yet, low waterfront areas will get flooded nevertheless.

And, that land mass rise will also cause water rising as the earth around those areas underwater will be rising as well since the weight of water may not be enough to offset sea bottom to rise in the area.

 

[IansDad88(Don)]

And, that land mass rise will also cause water rising as the earth around those areas underwater will be rising as well since the weight of water may not be enough to offset sea bottom to rise in the area.

Actually it lowers the water level as if a bathtub is emptying. Everything west drains out the Ohio and Mississippi, and everything east down the St Lawrence and out to the Atlantic.

In time all these lakes will be far shallower, and the rivers will dry up. Being from Michigan this really saddened me. But the good news is that it's taking several hundred thousand more years to get there. But in combination with the receding of Niagara Falls, the eastward drain could empty Erie, which is on average very shallow.