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lp85253

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Oh yeah? Tell that to people invested in the oil and gas industry, the coal industry, the hospitality industry, the travel industry, or even IBM. :)
to the tune of 10 to 100s of billions? .. we both know better.. these guys are better diversified than that.. even if amazon went under bezos would still be worth 10s of billions,,, if you(they) aren't an idiot that's 20 generations of wealth.. my entire point is :that ain't ok.. he owns us .. and that's not ok either..we aren't talking about the same level ....
 
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How are billionaires a threat to democracy? The recent elections at various levels have shown a much reduced relationship between spending and election results. Biden and his benefactors vastly out-spent Trump and his, but in terms of the popular vote the presidential election was closer than I would have liked. The same is true for so many other elections. I think the threat to democracy is over-rated.
every one of them can afford to buy law.. to insure that they stay wealthy and "we" stay on the hamster wheel.. i got news for you .. you can't be like bezos.. he got lucky , broke laws, whatever.. but the rest of us get the hamster wheel , he gets the money .. and he gets to (legally ) bribe a buncha senators to keep it that way..baseball is exempt from anti trust.. football is a license to print money.. it goes on and on...there's nothing "equal. just or fair"about it...a guy worth 100 million isn't even close to in the same league...did you know that owning a football team is , at this time, bulletproof?.. the entire overhead of each team is covered by the tv contract.. tickets, parking, concessions seat licenses ,, all gravy,, plus afaik *every * nfl owner gets a big % of everything else that goes on in "their stadium"(concerts , ect) plus most nfl stadiums are taxpayer paid....and that's not a threat? they use *billions of taxpayer money* to have easy money made.. you know why the nfl is playing this year? the tv contract , they can't afford to give that back... trump's been trying to get a franchise since the 80's , they won't let him in.. that's why he's always kissing their asses and bagging on players.. trump bankrupted the usfl in the 80's trying to force the nfl to merge , he got in a bidding war for players and it killed a buncha the usfl teams and he got no access to an nfl franchise ... Lamar Hunt he ain't...
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

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I wonder if the Trump ass-wipes are crying like the 'snowflakes' were four years ago ........


While Sarah's song(Angel) was the number one song played at young peoples funerals back when it was on the charts it seems just wrong for an old hag like Hillary .......
 
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lp85253

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I wonder if the Trump ass-wipes are crying like the 'snowflakes' were four years ago ........


While Sarah's song(Angel) was the number one song played at young peoples funerals back when it was on the charts it seems just wrong for an old hag like Hillary .......
it doesn't matter.. they can whine all they want.. it's over ..:)
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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every one of them can afford to buy law.. to insure that they stay wealthy and "we" stay on the hamster wheel.. i got news for you .. you can't be like bezos.. he got lucky , broke laws, whatever.. but the rest of us get the hamster wheel , he gets the money .. and he gets to (legally ) bribe a buncha senators to keep it that way..baseball is exempt from anti trust.. football is a license to print money.. it goes on and on...there's nothing "equal. just or fair"about it...a guy worth 100 million isn't even close to in the same league...did you know that owning a football team is , at this time, bulletproof?.. the entire overhead of each team is covered by the tv contract.. tickets, parking, concessions seat licenses ,, all gravy,, plus afaik *every * nfl owner gets a big % of everything else that goes on in "their stadium"(concerts , ect) plus most nfl stadiums are taxpayer paid....and that's not a threat? they use *billions of taxpayer money* to have easy money made.. you know why the nfl is playing this year? the tv contract , they can't afford to give that back... trump's been trying to get a franchise since the 80's , they won't let him in.. that's why he's always kissing their asses and bagging on players.. trump bankrupted the usfl in the 80's trying to force the nfl to merge , he got in a bidding war for players and it killed a buncha the usfl teams and he got no access to an nfl franchise ... Lamar Hunt he ain't...
ahhhh Lamar Hunt and the 'Foolish Eight Club' , great memories of the founding of the AFL ! lets see how good you are ........name the only two teams of the original eight to have never moved or changed their names ?
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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every one of them can afford to buy law.. to insure that they stay wealthy and "we" stay on the hamster wheel.. i got news for you .. you can't be like bezos.. he got lucky , broke laws, whatever.. but the rest of us get the hamster wheel , he gets the money .. and he gets to (legally ) bribe a buncha senators to keep it that way..baseball is exempt from anti trust.. football is a license to print money.. it goes on and on...there's nothing "equal. just or fair"about it...a guy worth 100 million isn't even close to in the same league...did you know that owning a football team is , at this time, bulletproof?.. the entire overhead of each team is covered by the tv contract.. tickets, parking, concessions seat licenses ,, all gravy,, plus afaik *every * nfl owner gets a big % of everything else that goes on in "their stadium"(concerts , ect) plus most nfl stadiums are taxpayer paid....and that's not a threat? they use *billions of taxpayer money* to have easy money made.. you know why the nfl is playing this year? the tv contract , they can't afford to give that back... trump's been trying to get a franchise since the 80's , they won't let him in.. that's why he's always kissing their asses and bagging on players.. trump bankrupted the usfl in the 80's trying to force the nfl to merge , he got in a bidding war for players and it killed a buncha the usfl teams and he got no access to an nfl franchise ... Lamar Hunt he ain't...
to the tune of 10 to 100s of billions? .. we both know better.. these guys are better diversified than that.. even if amazon went under bezos would still be worth 10s of billions,,, if you(they) aren't an idiot that's 20 generations of wealth.. my entire point is :that ain't ok.. he owns us .. and that's not ok either..we aren't talking about the same level ....
Wow. You're drowning in a delusional ocean of hate and jealousy. Perhaps you need to understand that there are indeed people who are smarter, have knowledge you don't, work harder, take greater risks, and, yes, sometimes are just plain luckier than you. And there are also some who figure out how to game the system, or lobby to get tax laws that benefit them in place (carried interest and hedge fund managers immediately come to mind), but that doesn't mean that everyone who gets to be a billionaire did it without merit or nefariously. It is not what I've observed. I don't care what the power-hungry democratic socialists in this country say, you don't always "take a billion", you can indeed earn it. I don't agree with everything Bezos, to use your example, has done. But beyond a shadow of a doubt he deserves a lot of the wealth he has. There wouldn't be an Amazon and it wouldn't as successful without him. End of story. The same is true of many others. I often don't agree with Elon Musk, but I've got to hand it to him, there wouldn't be a Tesla car company or a SpaceX without him. Although I did agree with him recently when he called Robert Reich "a modern day moron".

On the other hand, there are some billionaires who I think didn't earn it, like the Walton family after Sam Walton died. They are a creation of our inheritance and tax laws, and as a group they get to be the richest family in the world. Bezos and Amazon (and many newer companies which grew from start-ups) are getting huge advantages from US tax laws like loss carry-forward, but so do many individuals, some of whom I'm sure post on this forum. If it were up to me I would change the tax laws, but it isn't. It's up to Congress to pass them and the President to sign them, and every President and Congress, Democratic or Republican, has put these laws in place or left them in place. You can take advantage of them too, should you start a company. And it's not just the big guys that do it. Small businesses do it too.

I know what's going on in sports, both college and professional, and I just don't care enough to worry about it. I don't go to sports events, I don't watch sports, I don't pay for ESPN or whatever... I just plain don't care. Yeah, I get rather annoyed when the city I live in builds a new stadium for like $1B and the events disrupt my life (I lived in Santa Clara when the new stadium was being built there and the Super Bowl was played there), but that's small compared to other distortions in our tax systems so everyone but wage earners can benefit. These inequities don't reduce the contributions to our national success that a lot of billionaires have made. I know I'd be much poorer without them.

I've met a lot of very wealthy people in my time. There's no getting around it, most of them were smarter than me, had ideas and knowledge I didn't, took risks I didn't, and no amount of unfair advantages can explain away why they are more successful than I was. Sometimes it isn't like that, but often enough it is. I think your stories of mostly ill-gotten gains are delusional.
 
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Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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ahhhh Lamar Hunt and the 'Foolish Eight Club' , great memories of the founding of the AFL ! lets see how good you are ........name the only two teams of the original eight to have never moved or changed their names ?
I'm not even a football fan and I think I can guess. Buffalo Bills and Denver Broncos?
 
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lp85253

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ahhhh Lamar Hunt and the 'Foolish Eight Club' , great memories of the founding of the AFL ! lets see how good you are ........name the only two teams of the original eight to have never moved or changed their names ?
jets , bills is my guess .. bills for sure ...edit : my bad , .. jets moved.. must be the broncos,.......btw .. this is top of my head no stinkin' internet cheating...
 
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lp85253

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Wow. You're drowning in a delusional ocean of hate and jealousy. Perhaps you need to understand that there are indeed people who are smarter, have knowledge you don't, work harder, take greater risks, and, yes, sometimes are just plain luckier than you. And there are also some who figure out how to game the system, or lobby to get tax laws that benefit them in place (carried interest and hedge fund managers immediately come to mind), but that doesn't mean that everyone who gets to be billionaire did it without merit or nefariously. It is not what I've observed. I don't care what the power-hungry democratic socialists in this country say, you don't always "take a billion", you can indeed earn it. I don't agree with everything Bezos, to use your example, has done. But beyond a shadow of a doubt he deserves a lot of the wealth he has. There wouldn't be a Amazon and it wouldn't as successful without him. End of story. The same is true many others. I often don't agree with Elon Musk, but I've got to hand it to him, there wouldn't be a Tesla car company or a SpaceX without him. Although I did agree with him recently when he called Robert Reich "a modern day moron".

On the other hand, there a some billionaires who I think didn't earn it, like the Walton family after Sam Walton died. They are a creation of our inheritance and tax laws, and as a group they get to be the richest family in the world. Bezos and Amazon (and many newer companies which grew from start-ups) are getting huge advantages from US tax laws like loss carry-forward, but so do many individuals, some of whom I'm sure post on this forum. If it were up to me I would change the tax laws, but it isn't. It's up to Congress to pass them and the President to sign them, and every President and Congress, Democratic or Republican, has put these laws in place or left them in place. You can take advantage of them too, should you start a company. And it's not just the big guys that do it. Small businesses do it too.

I know what's going on in sports, both college and professional, and I just don't care enough to worry about it. I don't go to sports events, I don't watch sports, I don't pay for ESPN or whatever... I just plain don't care. Yeah, I get rather annoyed when the city I live in builds a new stadium for like $1B and the events disrupt my life (I lived in Santa Clara when the new stadium was being built there and the Super Bowl was played there), but that's small compared to other distortions in our tax systems so everyone but wage earners can benefit. These inequities don't reduce the contributions to our national success that a lot of billionaires have made. I know I'd be much poorer without them.

I've met a lot of very wealthy people in my time. There's no getting around it, most of them were smarter than me, had ideas and knowledge I didn't, took risks I didn't, and no amount of unfair advantages can explain away why they are more successful than I was. Sometimes it isn't like that, but often enough it is. I think your stories of mostly ill-gotten gains are delusional.
i don't think it's ill gotten gain.. i think the system is now rigged .. they OWN us...you have your thoughts ... i respectfully submit that they are the thoughts of delusion... i've known a buncha rich folks too.. i was a country club rat as a kid and worked at several country clubs.. ever hear of Eddie Chiles? he owned the Texas Rangers b4 he sold them to his buddy GWBush.. to make a long story short .. i knew him well enough to be conversational .. so that delusional jealousy rant.. nope .. not so accurate.. it's not about *that *they got rich.. it's about *how* they are allowed now to game a shitty system .. i could go back and forth with you all day .. if you want i'll start dropping the *dozens* of uber wealthy i've talked with ..i got news for you , many of em ain't anything special .. including your president..i'll spell it out in certain terms for you.. *capitalism* is an aborted , out of control ,corrupt version of it's origins and has irreparably harmed democracy...
 
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Billy106

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Buffalo & Denver. Jets moved to NJ the other 5( Dallas,LA,Boston, Oakland)....either changed location and/or name.

Last one considering they were my team growing up were the Houston Oilers.... yikes....
 
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Mikado463

Mikado463

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I'm not even a football fan and I think I can guess. Buffalo Bills and Denver Broncos?
Bingo....Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner !!

lp, good you corrected yourself for the Jets were originally the NY 'Titans'. Interesting that a lot (up until recently) would have guessed the Chargers but they have in fact come back to roost for in '60 they were in fact the LA Chargers.

For the record, born and raised in Bflo, went to my first Bills game, War Memorial Stadium, nickname, 'the Rockpile' in '61. Ok, one more more stupid trivia question, what famous movie was shot in Bflo @WAR Memorial stadium just prior to it's demolition ?
 
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Irvrobinson

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Bingo....Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner !!

lp, good you corrected yourself for the Jets were originally the NY 'Titans'. Interesting that a lot (up until recently) would have guessed the Chargers but they have in fact come back to roost for in '60 they were in fact the LA Chargers.

For the record, born and raised in Bflo, went to my first Bills game, War Memorial Stadium, nickname, 'the Rockpile' in '61. Ok, one more more stupid trivia question, what famous movie was shot in Bflo @WAR Memorial stadium just prior to it's demolition ?
Well I’ll be damned. I was born in Buffalo too.

The Natural.
 
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lp85253

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Bingo....Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner !!

lp, good you corrected yourself for the Jets were originally the NY 'Titans'. Interesting that a lot (up until recently) would have guessed the Chargers but they have in fact come back to roost for in '60 they were in fact the LA Chargers.

For the record, born and raised in Bflo, went to my first Bills game, War Memorial Stadium, nickname, 'the Rockpile' in '61. Ok, one more more stupid trivia question, what famous movie was shot in Bflo @WAR Memorial stadium just prior to it's demolition ?
i'm guessing :that walter mathau , jack lemon comedy about the camera guy that got run over by the halfback? was it "the fortune cookie"?
 
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lp85253

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Well I’ll be damned. I was born in Buffalo too.

The Natural.
that's cheating , lol, you lived there .. why don't we ask what stadium was featured in the Streisand movie "a star is born"......???
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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i'm guessing :that walter mathau , jack lemon comedy about the camera guy that got run over by the halfback? was it "the fortune cookie"?
yeah Irv(being a 'Buffalonian') got it right, The Natural, great movie Glenn Close, Redford, Walter Brimely.......

Ok, I lied ONE MORE dumb trivia question (see I've got your mind off political BS not to mention I had an extra Manhattan before dinner)....... what movie (great soundtrack BTW) did Glenn Close get her start(along with several others) ??
 
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lp85253

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yeah Irv(being a 'Buffalonian') got it right, The Natural, great movie Glenn Close, Redford, Walter Brimely.......

Ok, I lied ONE MORE dumb trivia question (see I've got your mind off political BS not to mention I had an extra Manhattan before dinner)....... what movie (great soundtrack BTW) did Glenn Close get her start(along with several others) ??
i'm not gonna cheat, i'm thinking that movie with cybil shepard and dude from big lebowski , but the movie name escapes me.. edit:*Wilford* "brimley"
 
Mikado463

Mikado463

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i'm not gonna cheat, i'm thinking that movie with cybil shepard and dude from big lebowski , but the movie name escapes me.. edit:*Wilford* "brimley"
well actually lp I somewhat misled everyone, her first screen debut was 'The World According to Garp' but the one that followed a year later 'The Big Chill' is the one that really launched her career and had the great sound track that I mentioned.

Ok, just one more.........the opening scene of the 'Big Chill' who was the actor portraying the 'stiff' in the coffin ? Last one I promise !!
 
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