Coronavirus

[TLS Guy]

I watched this YouTube clip of Trump today.

My first reaction was to LMAO.

However I watched it again, and now I'm very concerned he has Pics disease. His speech pattern is increasingly strange. He inappropriately inserts the word "beautiful" often. His father had a dementia before they were classified.

I think the possibility of the POTS having a fronto temporal dementia is actually high, after a recent review of his behavior and especially his speech pattern.

I really do think congress has to push for an urgent evaluation.

 

[JerryLove]

I really do think congress has to push for an urgent evaluation.

His health evaluations, by the doctors he chooses, say what he wants them to say: Need I remind you:

"His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary, If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

Not a single republican felt that Trump's solicitation of bribery of a foreign power to announce a sham investigation into his opponent was impeachable.

But for arguments sake: let's say that the house and (republican controlled) senate manage to demand one.
He won't do it. This is a whitehouse that simply refuses subpoenas (from congress, from the pentagon, from special investigators).

But let's imagine that congress demands it.
Let's pretend that he actually takes it.
Let's assume it shows him as mentally unfit.
Let's imagine that the result gets out.

He not only won't be removed (that would require his hand-picked cabinet to agree), He not only won't be impeached (that would require some GOP support)... it won't even hurt his chances at re-election. His supporters will see it as a conspiracy or, as they have done with his admitted sexual assault, his admitted child porn (is that the correct term for deliberately walking in to where underage beauty contestants are naked?), his numerous affairs and divorces, his mocking of the handicapped, his racism, his draft dodging, his treason... they will not care because <insert reason> and vote for him anyway. It's part of their identity at this point.

Oh sure. Some will claim they are "independent" and they don't like him... and then proceed to rationalize why the focus should be on not voting for his opponent ("but her emails").

But it's not like this mental inability is new. He's been doing this for years (https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459)

 

[mtrycrafts]

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But it's not like this mental inability is new. He's been doing this for years (https://www.amazon.com/Dangerous-Case-Donald-Trump-Psychiatrists/dp/1250179459)

One only needs to read the 17 books also on that page.

 

[Swerd]

I have heard a few anecdotal reports of people who supposedly came down with a bad virus of some sort last winter before the virus that causes COVID-19 is believed to have spread, and later tested positive for COVID-19 antibodies. Even if these reports are true, it's a leap (or two or three) to say that the positive antibody test resulted from a different coronavirus, and that this would result in immunity against COVID-19.

These are certainly testable questions. I would hope someone is looking into them now.

 

[Swerd]

In Australia, there is info about how long social distancing should be used. The first cases of COVID-19 were identified in late January. The number of new cases rapidly increased through March, followed by a reduction in daily reported cases in early April. Social distancing was only recently dialed back, in mid April.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) case numbers and statistics

This page provides updates about the current situation, latest case numbers and related information. It is updated every day by 9 pm AEST and reflects the previous 24 hours.

www.health.gov.au

Keeping social distance in place should be carefully followed in the USA. States, such as Texas, that propose to reduce distancing while the number of new cases is still rapidly increasing should pay close attention to the evidence from Australia.

 

[antennausa]

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This may be serious. The videos I saw on twitter were disturbing. The hospital(s) appear to be overwhelmed.

Wuhan is larger than NYC. And it's not the only city on lockdown. As of 5 hours ago, there are 23 million under quarantine.

 

[antennausa]

I have been in lock down for over 5 weeks.Spending most of my time in the sound room.Have 5000 lp collection and have not even scratched the surface(no pun intended) on playing .Also listening to lots of talk shows like coast to coast AM and different FM stations.We have a great Jazz FM station that plays vintage Jazz on Sunday night.I listen to most menus from classic rock to New age and classical.
.My friends that own home stereos are also enjoying the time off.They are also spending more time in there sound rooms Great to have such a hobby.
Mike

 

[TLS Guy]

These are certainly testable questions. I would hope someone is looking into them now.

That is one of the big problems with the roll out of Elisa antibody testing, and that is reacting to antibodies from other corona virus infections. This is actually proving to be yet another problem with this infection. Due to lack of a Federal response, " all states" develop their own," this is going to be a massive problem of data collection.

This is one of the reasons that the UK say the Chinese tests are useless. You can not believe Chinese data. The quality of those tests is worse then their receivers!

Mayo say their test is specific for Covid 19. That was to have been used in Minnesota. However for now Mayo say that they will use the test where the need is greatest. In Minnesota I understand we will use the test developed by the University of Minnesota going forward for now. Governor Waltz has said he will not lift the lock down until there are sufficient tests to provide enough data that it is safe to do so. This despite "Liberate Minnesota" from Trump.

 

[shadyJ]

I watched this YouTube clip of Trump today.

My first reaction was to LMAO.

However I watched it again, and now I'm very concerned he has Pics disease. His speech pattern is increasingly strange. He inappropriately inserts the word "beautiful" often. His father had a dementia before they were classified.

I think the possibility of the POTS having a fronto temporal dementia is actually high, after a recent review of his behavior and especially his speech pattern.

I really do think congress has to push for an urgent evaluation.

You do understand that there is no way congress will confront this problem so long as Republicans hold the senate? They have shown that there is nothing beneath them for the aim of holding power.

 

[3db]

Now fcuktard Trump is undermining the Governors who are still staying the course in their decision to remain shutdown. He is publically questioning these governors and disagreeing with their assessment. That's not the job of a president to undermine state governors. The only justice that would fix this if they rounded up the protestors with Trump and isolate them in in state away from the rest of the population. That way, people who understand the risks with COVID will not be innocent victims of natural selection. Unfortunately COVID not only kills the stupid.

 

[Kvn_Walker]

Now fcuktard Trump is undermining the Governors who are still staying the course in their decision to remain shutdown. He is publically questioning these governors and disagreeing with their assessment. That's not the job of a president to undermine state governors. The only justice that would fix this if they rounded up the protestors with Trump and isolate them in in state away from the rest of the population. That way, people who understand the risks with COVID will not be innocent victims of natural selection. Unfortunately COVID not only kills the stupid.

LIBERATE THE WHITE HOUSE!

 

[highfigh]

His health evaluations, by the doctors he chooses, say what he wants them to say: Need I remind you:

"His physical strength and stamina are extraordinary, If elected, Mr. Trump, I can state unequivocally, will be the healthiest individual ever elected to the presidency."

Not a single republican felt that Trump's solicitation of bribery of a foreign power to announce a sham investigation into his opponent was impeachable.

But for arguments sake: let's say that the house and (republican controlled) senate manage to demand one.
He won't do it. This is a whitehouse that simply refuses subpoenas (from congress, from the pentagon, from special investigators).

But let's imagine that congress demands it.
Let's pretend that he actually takes it.
Let's assume it shows him as mentally unfit.
Let's imagine that the result gets out.

He not only won't be removed (that would require his hand-picked cabinet to agree), He not only won't be impeached (that would require some GOP support)... it won't even hurt his chances at re-election. His supporters will see it as a conspiracy or, as they have done with his admitted sexual assault, his admitted child porn (is that the correct term for deliberately walking in to where underage beauty contestants are naked?), his numerous affairs and divorces, his mocking of the handicapped, his racism, his draft dodging, his treason... they will not care because <insert reason> and vote for him anyway. It's part of their identity at this point.

From the link-

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

The 25th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

SECTION. 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

constitutioncenter.org

He's losing support from some Republicans, but removing him may end up being more a practice in procedure than having a useful effect, since the election is in November and any debate over it will take a fair amount of time since it requires 2/3 majority in both houses.

When did rudeness, sarcasm and draft dodging become grounds for removal?

 

[Trell]

From the link-

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

The 25th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

SECTION. 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

constitutioncenter.org

He's losing support from some Republicans, but removing him may end up being more a practice in procedure than having a useful effect, since the election is in November and any debate over it will take a fair amount of time since it requires 2/3 majority in both houses.

When did rudeness, sarcasm and draft dodging become grounds for removal? [bold added]

This is very disingenuous as you know perfectly well that this not the grounds claimed.

 

[highfigh]

This is very disingenuous as you know perfectly well that this not the grounds claimed.

Well, would you expect him to declare himself unfit?

 

[Trell]

Well, would you expect him to declare himself unfit?

Now you are deflection from your statement.

 

[JerryLove]

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

"Principle officers" is the cabinet, which is filled with Trump appointed cronies. "Loyalty tests" have been part and parcel of this administration.

He's losing support from some Republicans, but removing him may end up being more a practice in procedure than having a useful effect, since the election is in November and any debate over it will take a fair amount of time since it requires 2/3 majority in both houses.

Zero republicans voted for impeachment when he bribed the Ukraine to influence the outcome of the American election and then impeeded and attempted to prevent that investigation.

Zero.

You think 2/3 rds is a likely outcome?

When did rudeness, sarcasm and draft dodging become grounds for removal?

In the 1990s when the same republicans defending Trump were impeaching Clinton for optics.

“What’s a high crime?” Graham asked in the well of the Senate in 1999. “How about an important person hurting somebody of low means? It’s not very scholarly, but I think it’s the truth. I think that’s what they meant by high crimes. Doesn’t even have to be a crime. It’s just when you start using your office and you’re acting in a way that hurts people, you’ve committed a high crime.”

But I didn't say they were grounds for removal. I said that Trumps supporters had overlooked those when they voted for him just as they overlooked the assaults, staring at nude children, lack of qualifications, mental incompetence, and everything else. They *should* be grounds for not voting for a candidate (well, not sarcasm.. I'm not sure Trump has the wit for anything but a bland base sarcasm).

 

[Swerd]

That is one of the big problems with the roll out of Elisa antibody testing, and that is reacting to antibodies from other corona virus infections.

You've mentioned ELISA antibody tests. These are enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay (ELISA) tests. They're quantitative tests that require a qualified lab with specialized equipment to run the test. Usually, ELISA tests are very sensitive and specific for one type of antigen.

They should not be confused with the rapid antibody tests. They are rapid Yes/No diagnostic tests suitable for point-of-care testing. Some of these tests resemble pregnancy dipstick tests sold over the counter. I believe these rapid coronavirus antibody tests are the sources of various kinds of trouble. Because of the pandemic emergency, the FDA has temporarily removed the validation usually required before these tests can be sold in the USA. As a result, many companies have quickly produced a product to sell without any effort at properly validating them.

At the risk of repetition, there are two kinds of tests for SARS-CoV-2 virus. One is the polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test, a very sensitive measure of how much viral RNA, and thus how many viral particles, are present in a patient's nose swab sample. This test shows an ongoing infection in a patient. (This test is also called reverse transcriptase PCR, RT-PCR.) These PCR tests are highly specific for SARS-CoV-2 virus and do not cross-react with other corona viruses.

The antibody tests, both ELISA and rapid tests, show the presence of a patient's antibodies in the blood, evidence of a past infection that is no longer active.

• There is a lag time between a viral infection and when the immune system produces circulating antibodies – usually about 4 to 8 weeks.
• The presence of these antibodies only means a patient's immune system has been exposed to a previous infection. This may actually indicate that the patient is immune to future corona virus infection, however, a patient can also test positive for anti-corona virus antibodies without being immune to future infection.
• And, as I already mentioned, some rapid antibody tests don't distinguish between antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 virus, and antibodies against other corona viruses that do not cause Covid-19 disease.

 

[Mikado463]

Swerd / TLS Guy, thank you for continuing to take the high road in this discussion while the L/R nut jobs here continue to act like the current resident @ 1600 Pennsylvania Ave ........

 

[Swerd]

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[Danzilla31]

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