Swerd

Swerd

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The Hoffman et al. paper showed that an inhibitor of TMPSS2, camostat mesilate, can be effective at preventing virus uptake by lung cells. This should also be investigated in clinical trials. Camostat mesilate is presently approved in Japan for use in pancreatic inflammation.

See this idea discussed further here.
Camostat mesilate is being tested in a trial recently started by the University of Aarhus:

The Impact of Camostat Mesilate on COVID-19 Infection: An Investigator-initiated Randomized, Placebo-controlled, Phase IIa Trial

Here is what little else I could find on camostat mesilate.
 
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
cigars, cigarettes, Tiparillos ............

All I can say about that article is "interesting". Among scientists, that's a polite way of saying "while I can't positively rule out what you say, I also don't believe it myself". Interesting, very interesting ;).

To be more fair, I can say this is a review article that is entirely speculation, a thought experiment, without any data. It has no positive findings regarding Covid-19 or SARS-CoV-2 to talk about. Like all speculation, it may or may not be right. There is no data to support it, and there is no data to rule it out.

The Hoffman et al. paper that I previously talked about involved searching for genes whose expression in single cells were necessary for viral infection. It showed that two genes, ACE2 and TMPSS2 were necessary. In a cultured lung cell model, expression of these two genes was sufficient for viral infection to take place. And a drug, camostat mesilate, that inhibits the action of TMPSS2 could prevent viral uptake by lung cells. That's good evidence to support their ACE2 and TMPSS2 hypothesis.

The authors of that paper had nothing to say about the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor (nAChR). I would hope their search method would have come up with other possible viral entry mechanisms such as nAChR. It apparently didn't. But at this point I can't definitively rule out the nAChR hypothesis.

So, it is possible that there may be more than one mechanism of SARS-Cov-2 viral infection and Covid-19 disease causation. We'll see if anyone follows up on this idea. That's how science works. Many ideas get put out there for consideration. If we're lucky, one idea takes root, experimental data accumulates to support it, and the other ideas get ignored or disproved.
 
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mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
All I can say about that article is "interesting". Among scientists, that's a polite way of saying "while I can't positively rule out what you say, I also don't believe it myself". Interesting, very interesting ;).

...
So, interesting, very interesting = ????

I am stumped :D :D
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
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Seriously, I have no life.
What I meant is that when newspapers report on scientific topics, such as we now see with Coronavirus test troubles, they dumb things down too much. Of course, most reporters and editors don't understand the science well enough to comment intelligently. If I remember correctly, in the 1990s, only the NY Times and Washington Post had science reporters who understood basic sciences.

Most newspapers or internet news sites, also have editorial policies on what language levels can go into their articles. In the 1990s, that meant any story about antibody test kits couldn't use the word 'protein'. It was thought to be too far above the heads of their readers. I don't know what their standard practice is now.
'Dumb things down' implies that someone at the news outlet actually understands the information well enough to do that correctly and from what I have read, some of them don't know the difference between a gram and a kilogram.

They used to say that newspapers were written at the eighth grade level. I'd like them to write at a third grade level because it would be an improvement. Copy editors and proof readers? Nope! Must be on vacation.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
'Dumb things down' implies that someone at the news outlet actually understands the information well enough to do that correctly and from what I have read, some of them don't know the difference between a gram and a kilogram.

They used to say that newspapers were written at the eighth grade level. I'd like them to write at a third grade level because it would be an improvement. Copy editors and proof readers? Nope! Must be on vacation.
Because of shrinking revenues, copy editors and proof readers were amongst the first to be dumped from newsrooms.
 
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highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Because of shrinking revenues, copy editors and proof readers were amongst the first to be dumped from newsrooms.
...in hopes that their customers won't notice or care.

Have they never read comments about grammar and spelling on FaceBook?????????????????
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
So on a happier note Professor Sarah Gilbert has started her recombitant vaccine trial for the Covid 19 virus today.

What I did not know is that she has used this technique successfully against the MERS Coronavirus.

Here are a couple of interesting videos from the BBC.

Video 1

Video 2


A more in depth report on the story here.

I think the whole world needs to get behind this one. I think this has the best chance of success. If the UK has a decline in cases, then Trump can do something useful for once and have professor Gilbert trial her vaccine in the stupid states.
 
M

Mr._Clark

Audioholic Samurai
So on a happier note Professor Sarah Gilbert has started her recombitant vaccine trial for the Covid 19 virus today.

What I did not know is that she has used this technique successfully against the MERS Coronavirus.

Here are a couple of interesting videos from the BBC.

Video 1

Video 2

I think the whole world needs to get behind this one. I think this has the best chance of success. If the UK has a decline in cases, then Trump can do something useful for once and have professor Gilbert trial her vaccine in the stupid states.
One of the articles touches on the subject of deliberately exposing people to the virus

>>>If the numbers could be a problem, why not deliberately infect volunteers with coronavirus?

That would be a quick and certain way to find out if the vaccine was effective, but it would be ethically questionable because there are no proven treatments for Covid-19.

But that might be possible in the future. Prof Pollard said: "If we reach the point where we had some treatments for the disease and we could guarantee the safety of volunteers, that would be a very good way of testing a vaccine."<<<
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
One of the articles touches on the subject of deliberately exposing people to the virus

>>>If the numbers could be a problem, why not deliberately infect volunteers with coronavirus?

That would be a quick and certain way to find out if the vaccine was effective, but it would be ethically questionable because there are no proven treatments for Covid-19.

But that might be possible in the future. Prof Pollard said: "If we reach the point where we had some treatments for the disease and we could guarantee the safety of volunteers, that would be a very good way of testing a vaccine."<<<
In the USA, deliberately infecting volunteers would be unquestionably unethical. The FDA would never approve a clinical trial with that as part of the protocol. Neither would any hospital's Institutional Review Board approve such a human experiment. It simply could not happen as things are now done in the USA. I don't know for certain, but I suspect things are similar in the UK and Europe.

I wonder if "deliberately infecting volunteers" was mentioned only because a vaccine had been developed against SARS, using a similar technique used for SARS-CoV-2. Clinical development was never finished because the disease faded away after about 2 years. Without natural exposure to SARS disease, no vaccine could be tested for efficacy.
 
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Verdinut

Verdinut

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IMO, the only logical way to get more people infected to increase immunity is a very gradual return to normal activities in the least affected areas . Of course, rapid reopening of full activities in areas with a greater percentage of affected people, would create a huge problem with the medical system unable to cope with the crisis.

The social distancing is really problematic for restaurants and bars. For instance, some restaurant owners in Montreal and in Quebec City are starting to complain and possibly 50% are threatened to close down. They wish to receive some compensation from governments.
 
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Out-Of-Phase

Out-Of-Phase

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"....have professor Gilbert trial her vaccine in the stupid states."

What's that supposed to mean?
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
We could ask Kim for help? ;) :D
Or the pres as he was so keen on prescribing drugs. What does he have to loose?
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
If the UK has a decline in cases, then Trump can do something useful for once and have professor Gilbert trial her vaccine in the stupid states.
This guy from GA says "ouch", but you are indeed correct.
They were talking on NPR today about Governer Kemps decision (trying to be last in and first out) - shelter at home would have been an actual rule here for a grand total of 3 weeks). Kemp is tight with Trump and was pretty much betrayed when Trump said Wednesday that it was a bad plan after applauding Kemp on Tuesday for his plans to "liberating GA"!
One of the guests was talking about what a difficult situation Kemp was being put in to have to try to walk the tightrope between economic crisis and health crisis. I liked it that one of the other guests made the point that that is a critical part of the Govenor's job and, while it is an atrociously complicated problem, he has access to expertise to assist him! Leaving it up to individual businesses to each make this decision without access to expertise assures bad decisions will be made and shirking his duty to provide governance of the state!

Over the past 5 days (sun - Thurs), we had 316, 1,240, 767, 963, 781 new cases, but he only obvious trend I can see is a cyclical reduction of new cases on the weekends (in other words when fewer tests are being performed).
The chart will not copy n paste to here, but here is a link if anyone wants to see the GA data:
 

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