Medicare For All

[Out-Of-Phase]

sterling, I'm very sorry for the loss of your eyesight.

Remember that Medicare came from democratic socialist values. You say you are grateful for the plan. Why? Isn't that hypocrisy on your part?

"Had I not had Medicare and supplements, instead of a $3500 expense, I would have had about a $10,000 expense"

Hallelujah. See, it's working for you. Medicare won't bite.

 

[RedCharles]

Warren's fundraising is down 30 percent from last quarter. Her poll numbers are down 45 percent from her October high. She will burn through the money she has, win no states, and quit before the end of February.

Everybody went after Elizabeth Warren over Medicare-for-all

Warren got a frontrunner’s treatment over the hard questions of Medicare-for-all.

www.vox.com

She shared her plan and it's been rejected. See the brown line? That's Warren's campaign going in the crapper.

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Over a half million people would lose their jobs if Warren got her plan through. And they know it.
Starting in rural areas, Medicare for All would bankrupt hospitals. Currently Medicare pays about 30 percent less than private insurance, and in turn administrators, doctors, physician's assistants, nurses, medical assistants, would all get paid less. And many of them will get laid off. They will lose their homes. Their marriages. And there's some 20 million people that work in healthcare. And sure as hellfire, they're gonna vote to keep their BMW's.

Have you thought about any of that? Her plan was DOA because it's too stupid to live. Only a self righteous fanatic would see health care as a right instead of a service. There's over 20 million busting their asses to make healthcare happen every day. Working 10, 12, 16 hour shifts. It's a service, not a right.

 

[Trell]

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Have you thought about any of that? Her plan was DOA because it's too stupid to live. Only a self righteous fanatic would see health care as a right instead of a service. [added bold] There's over 20 million busting their asses to make healthcare happen every day. Working 10, 12, 16 hour shifts. It's a service, not a right.

The pot calling the kettle black

 

[Gmoney]

Yeah i’m for MFO, only if they pass a Federal tax so everyone puts in. Say like a 1 cent sales tax so the 45 % that doesn’t pay any Federal taxes has to pay something! Put the tax on say Electricity or water bill
I personally know of a woman who gets close to 10k a year from the Earned income credit, she gets food stamps over 500 a month, get a SSi check of 723 a month for one of her kids. The hand outs in the Country is definitely out of control. Plus on top of that her mother claims one of her grandchildren to get that Earned income credit hand out. Geez man!
Go shopping at your Local grocery store if you haven’t noticed before the ones using food stamp cards, there Morbidly obese! Walk out behind them they’ll be getting in a brand new SUV, i’ve see that 1st hand.

 

[Mikado463]

The pot calling the kettle black

it's called the truth son .........

 

[Mikado463]

Yeah i’m for MFO, only if they pass a Federal tax so everyone puts in. Say like a 1 cent sales tax so the 45 % that doesn’t pay any Federal taxes has to pay something! Put the tax on say Electricity or water bill
I personally know of a woman who gets close to 10k a year from the Earned income credit, she gets food stamps over 500 a month, get a SSi check of 723 a month for one of her kids. The hand outs in the Country is definitely out of control. Plus on top of that her mother claims one of her grandchildren to get that Earned income credit hand out. Geez man!
Go shopping at your Local grocery store if you haven’t noticed before the ones using food stamp cards, there Morbidly obese! Walk out behind them they’ll be getting in a brand new SUV, i’ve see that 1st hand.

Sad but true in so many areas of the country, hell, 48 years ago when I was in college working part time at a local grocery store I saw it. Sadly little has changed .........

 

[Trell]

it's called the truth son .........

OK boomer .........

 

[Gmoney]

Sad but true in so many areas of the country, hell, 48 years ago when I was in college working part time at a local grocery store I saw it. Sadly little has changed .........

Mike, same here, not to mention all the illegals draining the system. Especially illegals that’s been in this country for a long time, when they get Caught the Fake news media post up some BS about the Illegals being good citizens yeah right! 11 million or more here maybe more costing Legal Citizens taxpayers billions!

 

[Irvrobinson]

OK boomer .........

Insulting people on the basis of their age is dumb. If you want to have a silly dumb attack on a bunch of my posts, have at it. I really don't care how many dumbs I get in retaliation.

 

[Trell]

Insulting people on the basis of their age is dumb. If you want to have a silly dumb attack on a bunch of my posts, have at it. I really don't care how many dumbs I get in retaliation.

Did you even read what I replied to?

Besides, I've been following this thread and do think some of your posts are just dumb. For some reason you hate universal health care (shown in this thread as well as others) using specious arguments as to why it can not work down to "socialist bullshit", "stupid", "scam", "Queen Elisabeth", "Comrade Bernie" and so forth. It is a little tiresome, to be honest.

 

[Mikado463]

Did you even read what I replied to?

Besides, I've been following this thread and do think some of your posts are just dumb. For some reason you hate universal health care (shown in this thread as well as others) using specious arguments as to why it can not work down to "socialist bullshit", "stupid", "scam", "Queen Elisabeth", "Comrade Bernie" and so forth. It is a little tiresome, to be honest.

again, Irv speaks a lot of truth.

Ok, so what's your plan ??

 

[Irvrobinson]

Did you even read what I replied to?

Besides, I've been following this thread and do think some of your posts are just dumb. For some reason you hate universal health care (shown in this thread as well as others) using specious arguments as to why it can not work down to "socialist bullshit", "stupid", "scam", "Queen Elisabeth", "Comrade Bernie" and so forth. It is a little tiresome, to be honest.

I did read what you replied to, and I'm tired of this OK Boomer crap going around now. It's insulting people based on their age. Replace Boomer with any racial group, gender, or religious group and see how people react.

I do hate government-provided universal healthcare because governments are usually the least efficient means of both defining benefits (here in the US, the Congress) and administering the program. And, BTW, calling it Medicare for All is a scam, because the legislation written by Comrade Sanders has nothing in common with Medicare other than it being government administrated. As Sterling revealed so nicely, Medicare has premiums associated with it, deductibles, and significant gaps in coverage that have to be filled with supplemental policies, which also have premiums. Medicare for All is free, unlimited coverage for everyone with no deductibles and no premiums. There are no natural limiters on how much service people will demand, so there will be long waiting lists and effective rationing. Long waiting lists already exist in areas where there are shortages of professionals or facilities, and these shortages will get a lot worse when everything is free to everyone.

IMO, Congress needs to start thinking about the country ahead of their agendas and careers and put in place some regulations for the healthcare field, especially about pricing, and stop using the issues as an excuse to get people all wound up convincing them that the only fix is to throw out the existing system entirely. We regulate transparency in pricing for cars and trucks, but somehow drugs and medical procedures are beyond us. For drugs, one simple law that you have to sell a drug in the US at the lowest price available worldwide would end the drug pricing nonsense. It would also get countries that dictate drug pricing to stop taking advantage of the US free market to subsidize R&D costs. Price transparency at hospitals would be a huge advantage, just a law away. Eliminating insurance networks as collusion and price fixing would force insurance providers to compete on efficiency and services rather than how much they can secretly screw everyone.

Every aspect of a market economy needs some ground rules, just like sports need rules. Many markets in the US get legislated rules; it's time for healthcare to conduct themselves like mature adults.

 

[Trell]

I did read what you replied to, and I'm tired of this OK Boomer crap going around now. It's insulting people based on their age. Replace Boomer with any racial group, gender, or religious group and see how people react.

My "OK boomer ........." was a nicely condescending reply to the condescending "it's called the truth son .........". But now you are a bit snowflaky.

 

[Mikado463]

My "OK boomer ........." was a nicely condescending reply to the condescending "it's called the truth son .........". But now you are a bit snowflaky.

Ok, my bad, change that to 'young man' ! ...... better ??

still waiting for your answer as to what you would do with health care .....

 

[Trell]

Ok, my bad, change that to 'young man' ! ...... better ??

still waiting for your answer as to what you would do with health care .....

People needs to come to terms with that US health care is much more expensive with no better outcome, along with large part of population with no health care, compared to other advanced countries.

Look abroad and see that while advanced countries have universal health care, it's financing and implementation differs quite a bit. I'm sure that USA could find some kind of universal health care to your liking.

Obamacare is much maligned but it is based upon the GOP (conservative) market based alternative to Medicare for all, once upon a time.

 

[Irvrobinson]

People needs to come to terms with that US health care is much more expensive with no better outcome, along with large part of population with no health care, compared to other advanced countries.

Look abroad and see that while advanced countries have universal health care, it's financing and implementation differs quite a bit. I'm sure that USA could find some kind of universal health care to your liking.

Obamacare is much maligned but it is based upon the GOP (conservative) market based alternative to Medicare for all, once upon a time.

I find it fascinating that no one in the US seems to care about what other countries do with their domestic programs for health, education, and welfare, yet Europeans always seem to have a lot of advice for the US. It is especially fascinating because with the exception of Germany there isn't a country with a well-functioning economy with over 30 million people in it.

 

[Trell]

I find it fascinating that no one in the US seems to care about what other countries do with their domestic programs for health, education, and welfare, yet Europeans always seem to have a lot of advice for the US. It is especially fascinating because with the exception of Germany there isn't a country with a well-functioning economy with over 30 million people in it.

Ah, "no one" means you, I take it? That seems quite a narrow minded attitude but I guess that is a nice protection against cognitive dissonance.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Ah, "no one" means you, I take it? That seems quite a narrow minded attitude but I guess that is a nice protection against cognitive dissonance.

Though I am well-read, I seldom read articles about European systems, with the exception lately being healthcare, because there's so much misinformation about how various countries handle healthcare. Most of what I read as responses from other people in the US is resentment that drug price controls in other developed countries seem to be forcing US pricing higher to fund R&D and profits. Last year so few people were aware. That's a good first step, as a realignment is needed. I hope all of you in Europe understand that when we do put price controls on drugs here that your prices will go up. ;-). Already there's a concern that allowing US imports of Canadian drugs will adversely impact Canadian prices and availability.

I think the bottom-line reason why so little about Euro systems are discussed in the US is that the successful European countries that are admired here for one reason or another are so small (e.g. Norway and Sweden) or so different (Germany) that it is difficult to consider their solutions for the US, or everyone in the US hates how the programs are funded. Like a VAT. VATs are one thing the left and right both despise in the US. Warren and Sanders are also trying hard to convince people that all you have to do is make billionaires, who are only that rich because they are either crooks or taking advantage of others, pay for everything. Their bogus strategy is postponing the time we discuss real solutions, because they've promised the children unlimited toys for free.

 

[Mikado463]

after looking back over this thread I'm wondering why none of the 'lefties' have not acknowledged (even once) the role of ones 'personal responsibility' in the grand scheme of health care. You know, proper diet, exercise, etc. Obesity along with tobacco contributes to many if not most of our health maladies yet both obesity and tobacco are for the most part self induced. So, if one self destructs, my tax dollars should support this ..............

 

[ski2xblack]

Mikado, eat right, stay fit, die anyway.

I support a public option. VATs are the sort of approach that the uber wealthy corporations cannot easily escape.

There is a prevailing sentiment of scarcity which prevents some from thinking outside their respective boxes. The US is the wealthiest country in history, yet our collective priorities are so skewed we insist on paying more for less when it comes to healthcare.