Medicare For All

[RedCharles]

There is no alternative use for money if you're dead. So capitalism won't lower the cost of every kind of healthcare.

An example of alternative use would be how my audio and car hobbies compete. SVS doesn't know they're competing with Edelbrock for the same pool of money, but they are.

If you need a pill to live, it's worth every dollar you got.

You could spend every dollar of GDP on healthcare, but we're all still gonna die.

Healthcare is going to be expensive no matter what. The question is, who pays for it?

What's the greatest healthcare innovation that Canada came up with in the last ten years? What cutting edge surgery was performed in Canada first? Canada's healthcare system works because they live in America's hat. They rely on American innovation and drug companies.

And just take a look at how hard Warren cratered after explaining her Medicare for all proposal.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

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Warren: Millions can't afford their Rx drugs

During a heated exchange over health reform during the December Democratic presidential primary debate Thursday, Sen. El

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[RedCharles]

Warren: Millions can't afford their Rx drugs

During a heated exchange over health reform during the December Democratic presidential primary debate Thursday, Sen. El

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So you're dismissing an average of all major polls taken from the ESPN of politics because realclearpolitics editorials are not left wing. Oooookaaay then....

Edit: To be clear, I now know you're a fanatic, and not a fair minded, critical thinker.

 

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Edit: To be clear, I now know you're a fanatic, and not a fair minded, critical thinker.

If only we all thought like you. Are you related to Grimsurfer?

 

[highfigh]

I can still remember all the Republicans when I was a kid complaining about LBJ's Medicare, Medicaid plan.

Then they became hypocrites when they all turned 65 and signed up for it. Typical.

Read this link, which contains this- "Generally, if an individual is receiving either Social Security retirement or disability benefits, it is not allowable to opt out of Medicare Part A."

Is Medicare Mandatory?

medicareconsumer.com

 

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What does that have to do with Warren's campaign?

 

[highfigh]

What does that have to do with Warren's campaign?

If you're asking me, I edited my post.

 

[cornemuse]

Jumping in late, newbie, , ,

Two problems with any & all health insurance/coverage:
The profit angle, they are a beaurocracy spending millions if not billions on lawyers, just to figure out ways of refusing treatment to their so-called "covered". The investors come first, period.

The government is the absolute worst agency to run any health care program. They have no incentive to save any amount of money, it is their nature to waste, , ,

-c-

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Beautifully said cornemuse.

The profit angle....
Billions on lawyers....
Refusing treatment....
The investors come first....

The American healthcare industry.

 

[Mikado463]

"Last year, 36 million Americans didn’t have a prescription filled because they couldn’t afford it."

Elizabeth Warren on Thursday, December 19th, 2019 in comments made during the December Democratic presidential primary debate.

damn, I missed it, too busy watching paint dry ..............

 

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Democracy now....
No, Democracy in 15 minutes....
No, Democracy in about an hour....
No, Democracy when I get around to it....
No, Democracy after this paint dries....
No, no Democracy, we don't need it.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Beautifully said cornemuse.

The profit angle....
Billions on lawyers....
Refusing treatment....
The investors come first....

The American healthcare industry.

Since overall administrative costs for health insurance providers average about 16%, it sounds impossible for even the entire industry to spend billions on attorneys.

https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Files/Downloads/mlr-report-02-15-2013.pdf

In every private company investors come first, but declining coverage for legitimate claims is fraud. Which is a better fix, up-ending the entire system and nationalizing the industry, or investigating and prosecuting the offenders? You know the answer. The other answer is just for naive voters.

The profit angle is what keeps things efficient. The federal government has no such incentives and is not efficient. Medicare as currently defined is a very expensive program that still has multiple premiums to provide anything like Queen Elizabeth's promise, and Medicare also has deductibles.

 

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If President Trump is re-elected for another term, what kind of reform does he have planned for healthcare?

 

[Irvrobinson]

If President Trump is re-elected for another term, what kind of reform does he have planned for healthcare?

Probably cut funding for Medicare. Anyway, it doesn't matter. Contrary to what every presidential candidate (and Aaron Sorkin movies) want us to believe, Congress writes legislation, the President only has to sign it. The problems with the healthcare system originate in Congress, not in the White House.

 

[sterling shoote]

Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democratic candidate for President in 2020.

Medicare for all - Health care is a right.

No new taxes on the middle-class.

I'm in, you should be too.

It's theft. Socialist deceit.

 

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"Probably cut funding for Medicare."

Sounds good. (sarcasm)

 

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"It's theft. Socialist deceit."

It's humanitarianism. Democratic socialist fairness.

 

[Trell]

It's theft. Socialist deceit.

 

[Irvrobinson]

"Probably cut funding for Medicare."

Sounds good. (sarcasm)

I was serious. Now you have to read this linked article carefully, because as usual Pollitifact's Greenberg has a rather rambling writing style, but anyway you look at it, the Trump administration has cut Medicare funding already.

No, Trump does not cut $845 billion from Medicare

As Joe Biden edges toward officially running for president, he has been taking on President Donald Trump over his plans

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The cuts were complex, involving reassignment of some budget allocations, but real nonetheless, though the amount is debatable.

Medicare is a huge, expensive program. $582B in FY2018, second only to the defense budget. And basically the entire healthcare provider industry hates it, because it pays less than the cost of care in many cases, so providers who accept Medicare coverage have to charge privately insured patients more, which causes a distortion in the system, with the exception of drugs. (The USG is not allowed by law to negotiate drug pricing.) For most married couples the monthly premium is about $145 for 2020, but I have read and heard complaining from people who have had their spouse die that their premiums have doubled because of the individual versus married filing jointly table. So they pay about twice as much for one person rather than two. Frankly, I find this annoyance difficult to believe, but this article seems to support their complaints:

heres-how-much-more-youll-pay-for-medicare-part-b-in-2020.html

So basically you have a lot of conservative-leaning moderates who have a beef with Medicare as currently implemented, and it looks like they're influencing the Republican Party.

 

[sterling shoote]

I'm on Medicare. I pay $130, $174.74, and $20.80 monthly for Hospitalization, Part F and Part D supplements. I paid into Medicare since it began in the 1970's as I recall. I am now 69. I am truly grateful for the plan. Last year, I broke my wrist, had cataract surgery, and doctor visits for type 2 diabetes and glaucoma. Had I not had Medicare and supplements, instead of a $3500 expense, I would have had about a $10,000 expense, which would have meant no cataract surgery. Now, before I was eligible for Medicare, I was advised I had a need for glaucoma surgery. Inquiring about the price I was told it would be about $30,000. My plan did not cover it at all. So, this forecast blindness for me, since I did not have $30,000, nor could I borrow it. Eventually, I found a Doctor and a Surgery Center to perform the operation for exactly $3200, which I accepted and paid for on a 24 month plan. Still, I lost my eye sight. At any rate, if anybody has a plan that might work for quality health care at an affordable price I'm betting on President Trump to lead. For sure, Medicare for all, meaning free for most sounds great but, like all Socialist ideals, it will destroy health care. In other words, free health care means no health care when the program runs out of productive people paying for it for others.