Verdinut Audioholic Spartan Aug 31, 2016 5,997 0 113 86 Montreal, Canada Aug 31, 2019 #21 Hey guys! You're not having your speakers playing loud enough! That's why the dust stays on them! Reactions: Trell, lovinthehd, photographer86 and 1 other person
P photographer86 Audioholic Apr 25, 2019 112 0 28 39 Aug 31, 2019 #22 Very good all. For tonight i got a damp cloth and some cotton swaps to clean all the dust off these old but great klipsch rf’5 i picked up 4 used. They all sound great. Just dusty from storage in basement not used much from what the person said. I took them all apart. Made sure everything was connected good inside. No spiders. Lol. They sound great on my marantz sr5012. Thanks. They cleaned up real nice. Should have done a before and after cause now they look brand new except some scratches on cabinet. Thanks everyone. Listening to some New Orleans Jazz tonight. Attachments 3E349DCB-30F6-47EE-BDEA-690C0F2F2A24.jpeg 486.4 KB · Views: 618 9DC0DDAB-1123-48B5-9C76-4DBD1F4F10E2.jpeg 886.5 KB · Views: 533 2B3B9FD6-1125-4843-8F94-E2774E189FAB.jpeg 795.2 KB · Views: 553 Reactions: lovinthehd and Pogre
Very good all. For tonight i got a damp cloth and some cotton swaps to clean all the dust off these old but great klipsch rf’5 i picked up 4 used. They all sound great. Just dusty from storage in basement not used much from what the person said. I took them all apart. Made sure everything was connected good inside. No spiders. Lol. They sound great on my marantz sr5012. Thanks. They cleaned up real nice. Should have done a before and after cause now they look brand new except some scratches on cabinet. Thanks everyone. Listening to some New Orleans Jazz tonight.
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Aug 31, 2019 #23 photographer86 said: Very good all. For tonight i got a damp cloth and some cotton swaps to clean all the dust off these old but great klipsch rf’5 i picked up 4 used. They all sound great. Just dusty from storage in basement not used much from what the person said. I took them all apart. Made sure everything was connected good inside. No spiders. Lol. They sound great on my marantz sr5012. Thanks. They cleaned up real nice. Should have done a before and after cause now they look brand new except some scratches on cabinet. Thanks everyone. Listening to some New Orleans Jazz tonight. Click to expand... Hey are those pb12’s under there?
photographer86 said: Very good all. For tonight i got a damp cloth and some cotton swaps to clean all the dust off these old but great klipsch rf’5 i picked up 4 used. They all sound great. Just dusty from storage in basement not used much from what the person said. I took them all apart. Made sure everything was connected good inside. No spiders. Lol. They sound great on my marantz sr5012. Thanks. They cleaned up real nice. Should have done a before and after cause now they look brand new except some scratches on cabinet. Thanks everyone. Listening to some New Orleans Jazz tonight. Click to expand... Hey are those pb12’s under there?
P photographer86 Audioholic Apr 25, 2019 112 0 28 39 Aug 31, 2019 #24 William Lemmerhirt said: Hey are those pb12’s under there? Click to expand... PB10. Both amps buzz. Thinking they need new power supplies or caps? Have to do little research. The woofers are in great shape got them for cheap at garage sale. I may just replace the amp all together. That work great as stand right now! lol. I have 2x paradigm ps-1000's version 3 and 1 ps1200 I use across the back of the room because that is the best placement for the subs and feels the room very evenly.
William Lemmerhirt said: Hey are those pb12’s under there? Click to expand... PB10. Both amps buzz. Thinking they need new power supplies or caps? Have to do little research. The woofers are in great shape got them for cheap at garage sale. I may just replace the amp all together. That work great as stand right now! lol. I have 2x paradigm ps-1000's version 3 and 1 ps1200 I use across the back of the room because that is the best placement for the subs and feels the room very evenly.
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Aug 31, 2019 #25 photographer86 said: PB10. Both amps buzz. Thinking they need new power supplies or caps? Have to do little research. The woofers are in great shape got them for cheap at garage sale. I may just replace the amp all together. That work great as stand right now! lol. I have 2x paradigm ps-1000's version 3 and 1 ps1200 I use across the back of the room because that is the best placement for the subs and feels the room very evenly. Click to expand... Cool. I had a PB12 many moons ago. It was a pretty good sub for music but the amp died, which happened to most of the PB’s they made. So, I built a sonosub our of it. I don’t know what the FS was, but the bigger lower tuned enclosure really brought something out of the driver. It was much smoother and better overall. The driver is in another experimental situation currently. Reactions: photographer86
photographer86 said: PB10. Both amps buzz. Thinking they need new power supplies or caps? Have to do little research. The woofers are in great shape got them for cheap at garage sale. I may just replace the amp all together. That work great as stand right now! lol. I have 2x paradigm ps-1000's version 3 and 1 ps1200 I use across the back of the room because that is the best placement for the subs and feels the room very evenly. Click to expand... Cool. I had a PB12 many moons ago. It was a pretty good sub for music but the amp died, which happened to most of the PB’s they made. So, I built a sonosub our of it. I don’t know what the FS was, but the bigger lower tuned enclosure really brought something out of the driver. It was much smoother and better overall. The driver is in another experimental situation currently.
P photographer86 Audioholic Apr 25, 2019 112 0 28 39 Sep 1, 2019 #26 Ya it seemed a lot of amps died in that jbl line. My paradigm's are much older and still going good that I bought used. Cheap design I guess. Yes as much as I like the look of some towers on top of subs, as we know not all rooms are perfect. To the right of of the pictures I posted, the kitchen is there so it opens up. My Livingroom kitchen come together in a L shaped with half wall. So The subs the 3 i have work best next to couch both sides and on center back wall. So ya just using future projects as stands for now. The klipsch rf5 are tall enough for tweeter to be at ear level but I kinda like them a little higher. It too me ads spacious sound and fullness.
Ya it seemed a lot of amps died in that jbl line. My paradigm's are much older and still going good that I bought used. Cheap design I guess. Yes as much as I like the look of some towers on top of subs, as we know not all rooms are perfect. To the right of of the pictures I posted, the kitchen is there so it opens up. My Livingroom kitchen come together in a L shaped with half wall. So The subs the 3 i have work best next to couch both sides and on center back wall. So ya just using future projects as stands for now. The klipsch rf5 are tall enough for tweeter to be at ear level but I kinda like them a little higher. It too me ads spacious sound and fullness.
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 11, 2019 #27 William Lemmerhirt said: I agree for peace of mind he should ask Ed what they use. However, pure carnuba wax will not have ANY abrasives in it. Polish comes in varying degrees of grit for the purpose of removing scratches(which ironically adds scratches). I wouldn’t hesitate to use either the wax or the detailer. But I’ve been detailing and polishing for almost 30 years and have experience. Click to expand... So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround. Last edited: Sep 11, 2019 Reactions: Trell
William Lemmerhirt said: I agree for peace of mind he should ask Ed what they use. However, pure carnuba wax will not have ANY abrasives in it. Polish comes in varying degrees of grit for the purpose of removing scratches(which ironically adds scratches). I wouldn’t hesitate to use either the wax or the detailer. But I’ve been detailing and polishing for almost 30 years and have experience. Click to expand... So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround.
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Sep 11, 2019 #28 Pogre said: So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround. Click to expand... Yay! I’m not crazy lol. Or are we.....? Btw, your link goes to A4L. Marantz AVR. Lol Reactions: Pogre
Pogre said: So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround. Click to expand... Yay! I’m not crazy lol. Or are we.....? Btw, your link goes to A4L. Marantz AVR. Lol
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 11, 2019 #29 William Lemmerhirt said: Yay! I’m not crazy lol. Or are we.....? Btw, your link goes to A4L. Marantz AVR. Lol Click to expand... OOPS! Lol. https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75359875-caring-for-your-gloss-speaker-or-subwoofer There we go. *Edit: Glad I didn't accidentally copy paste granny porn or something...
William Lemmerhirt said: Yay! I’m not crazy lol. Or are we.....? Btw, your link goes to A4L. Marantz AVR. Lol Click to expand... OOPS! Lol. https://www.svsound.com/blogs/svs/75359875-caring-for-your-gloss-speaker-or-subwoofer There we go. *Edit: Glad I didn't accidentally copy paste granny porn or something...
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 11, 2019 #30 Not that I ever watch granny porn. Not that there's anything against granny porn... I'm just... gonna stop now. Hey, I just noticed they even have a pic of a bottle of Meguiars right there on the care and cleaning page!
Not that I ever watch granny porn. Not that there's anything against granny porn... I'm just... gonna stop now. Hey, I just noticed they even have a pic of a bottle of Meguiars right there on the care and cleaning page!
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Sep 11, 2019 #31 Pogre said: Not that I ever watch granny porn. Not that there's anything against granny porn... I'm just... gonna stop now. Hey, I just noticed they even have a pic of a bottle of Meguiars right there on the care and cleaning page! Click to expand... Roflmfao... Hey man, you never know what can show up with the paste button. Btw, I would only use the compound in their pic if you need to get scratches out. Otherwise between the wax and quick detailer you should be golden...girls Reactions: snakeeyes and Pogre
Pogre said: Not that I ever watch granny porn. Not that there's anything against granny porn... I'm just... gonna stop now. Hey, I just noticed they even have a pic of a bottle of Meguiars right there on the care and cleaning page! Click to expand... Roflmfao... Hey man, you never know what can show up with the paste button. Btw, I would only use the compound in their pic if you need to get scratches out. Otherwise between the wax and quick detailer you should be golden...girls
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 11, 2019 #32 This is the stuff in the pic. Is that all I need? They mention a finishing spray that's safe for clear coats too. This is all new stuff to me.
This is the stuff in the pic. Is that all I need? They mention a finishing spray that's safe for clear coats too. This is all new stuff to me.
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Sep 11, 2019 #33 MEGUIAR'S G18216 Ultimate Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, 1 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004HCM9H4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7wEDbYW5VHTZ Meguiar's G14422 Ultimate Quik Detailer - 22 oz. - Premium Spray Detailer - 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NHQ7WJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S7wEDbSK5YNDV Meguiar's G7016 Gold Class Carnauba Plus Premium Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002UNOYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_v8wEDbWYHE9F2 Meguiar's G7624 Gold Class Premium Quik Detailer, 24 Fluid Ounces https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FUT0AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S8wEDb0HQHX1P No. The stuff in the picture is a compound for light scratches. If you have very very fine swirls the wax should fill them in. I recommend the least amount of compound/friction for the job. I use the Gold Class linked above but the ultimate is good too. There are a LOT of good products out there, but these are high quality, and easy to use. Reactions: Pogre
MEGUIAR'S G18216 Ultimate Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, 1 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004HCM9H4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7wEDbYW5VHTZ Meguiar's G14422 Ultimate Quik Detailer - 22 oz. - Premium Spray Detailer - 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NHQ7WJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S7wEDbSK5YNDV Meguiar's G7016 Gold Class Carnauba Plus Premium Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002UNOYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_v8wEDbWYHE9F2 Meguiar's G7624 Gold Class Premium Quik Detailer, 24 Fluid Ounces https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FUT0AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S8wEDb0HQHX1P No. The stuff in the picture is a compound for light scratches. If you have very very fine swirls the wax should fill them in. I recommend the least amount of compound/friction for the job. I use the Gold Class linked above but the ultimate is good too. There are a LOT of good products out there, but these are high quality, and easy to use.
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 11, 2019 #34 William Lemmerhirt said: MEGUIAR'S G18216 Ultimate Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, 1 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004HCM9H4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7wEDbYW5VHTZ Meguiar's G14422 Ultimate Quik Detailer - 22 oz. - Premium Spray Detailer - 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NHQ7WJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S7wEDbSK5YNDV Meguiar's G7016 Gold Class Carnauba Plus Premium Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002UNOYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_v8wEDbWYHE9F2 Meguiar's G7624 Gold Class Premium Quik Detailer, 24 Fluid Ounces https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FUT0AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S8wEDb0HQHX1P No. The stuff in the picture is a compound for light scratches. If you have very very fine swirls the wax should fill them in. I recommend the least amount of compound/friction for the job. I use the Gold Class linked above but the ultimate is good too. There are a LOT of good products out there, but these are high quality, and easy to use. Click to expand... Awesome. Thanks Bill! Now, just so I'm clear, I clean/dust first, then wax, then the detailer?
William Lemmerhirt said: MEGUIAR'S G18216 Ultimate Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, 1 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B004HCM9H4/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_a7wEDbYW5VHTZ Meguiar's G14422 Ultimate Quik Detailer - 22 oz. - Premium Spray Detailer - 2 Pack https://www.amazon.com/dp/B078NHQ7WJ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S7wEDbSK5YNDV Meguiar's G7016 Gold Class Carnauba Plus Premium Liquid Wax, 16 Fluid Ounces, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0002UNOYM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_v8wEDbWYHE9F2 Meguiar's G7624 Gold Class Premium Quik Detailer, 24 Fluid Ounces https://www.amazon.com/dp/B006FUT0AK/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_S8wEDb0HQHX1P No. The stuff in the picture is a compound for light scratches. If you have very very fine swirls the wax should fill them in. I recommend the least amount of compound/friction for the job. I use the Gold Class linked above but the ultimate is good too. There are a LOT of good products out there, but these are high quality, and easy to use. Click to expand... Awesome. Thanks Bill! Now, just so I'm clear, I clean/dust first, then wax, then the detailer?
William Lemmerhirt Audioholic Overlord Jan 8, 2017 12,005 0 113 52 Sep 11, 2019 #35 Pogre said: Awesome. Thanks Bill! Now, just so I'm clear, I clean/dust first, then wax, then the detailer? Click to expand... Yep. dust then wax. Spray is usually for in between times, and maybe after you wax, it can even out the finish if you have streaking. That’s just from heavier wax application in some areas. I would try the spray by itself. Just to see how you like it. Full confession...I’ve even used it on my plasma...[emoji16] Reactions: Pogre
Pogre said: Awesome. Thanks Bill! Now, just so I'm clear, I clean/dust first, then wax, then the detailer? Click to expand... Yep. dust then wax. Spray is usually for in between times, and maybe after you wax, it can even out the finish if you have streaking. That’s just from heavier wax application in some areas. I would try the spray by itself. Just to see how you like it. Full confession...I’ve even used it on my plasma...[emoji16]
P photographer86 Audioholic Apr 25, 2019 112 0 28 39 Sep 14, 2019 #36 Thanks for info from svs. Klipsch post's on there site that not much is needed to there.
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 14, 2019 #37 One thing they mention for dust also is compressed air. I tried that just yesterday and it worked surprisingly well on my piano gloss finish. I like that you're not wiping/scratching it off with a cloth or duster, tho I still stand by my swiffer, lol. It does a great job too and uses static electricity to lift particles off the speaker instead of smearing.
One thing they mention for dust also is compressed air. I tried that just yesterday and it worked surprisingly well on my piano gloss finish. I like that you're not wiping/scratching it off with a cloth or duster, tho I still stand by my swiffer, lol. It does a great job too and uses static electricity to lift particles off the speaker instead of smearing.
NINaudio Audioholic Samurai Jun 26, 2017 2,898 0 63 48 West Chicago, Illinois Sep 14, 2019 #38 Pogre said: So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround. Click to expand... Oooh....now we're talking detailing?! You guys might be interested in a product called Black Hole Glaze from Poorboy's World products. It is specifically made to fill light marring and swirl marks while adding depth to black paint. And if you want something longer lasting than wax, try a polymer sealant. I'd imagine that inside a house, two coats of that would last you just about forever. It makes cleaning cars super easy, so should be just as good on a speaker. Reactions: Pogre
Pogre said: So I finally remembered to ask SVS about polishing the speakers and he linked me to this page. To remove light swirl marks, follow the steps above and then apply a high-end automotive polish rated safe for clearcoats. Use light pressure and avoid polishing edges or corners. To maintain that glossy look, use an automotive finishing spray rated safe for clearcoats, and gently apply with microfiber cloth. Rubber surround elements can be treated with an automotive cleaner rated safe for rubber and vinyl. Never spray directly onto the surround or cone – always spray on a microfiber cloth and then gently wipe only the rubber surround. Click to expand... Oooh....now we're talking detailing?! You guys might be interested in a product called Black Hole Glaze from Poorboy's World products. It is specifically made to fill light marring and swirl marks while adding depth to black paint. And if you want something longer lasting than wax, try a polymer sealant. I'd imagine that inside a house, two coats of that would last you just about forever. It makes cleaning cars super easy, so should be just as good on a speaker.
Pogre Audioholic Slumlord Jul 29, 2016 16,146 0 113 56 Mesa, Arizona Sep 19, 2019 #39 William Lemmerhirt said: Yep. dust then wax. Spray is usually for in between times, and maybe after you wax, it can even out the finish if you have streaking. That’s just from heavier wax application in some areas. I would try the spray by itself. Just to see how you like it. Full confession...I’ve even used it on my plasma...[emoji16] Click to expand... I don't know how it works, but the spray does a nice job of cleaning my speakers up and making them sparkle. I haven't done any wax yet. Just wanted to give an update and say I'm happy with the product. Reactions: photographer86
William Lemmerhirt said: Yep. dust then wax. Spray is usually for in between times, and maybe after you wax, it can even out the finish if you have streaking. That’s just from heavier wax application in some areas. I would try the spray by itself. Just to see how you like it. Full confession...I’ve even used it on my plasma...[emoji16] Click to expand... I don't know how it works, but the spray does a nice job of cleaning my speakers up and making them sparkle. I haven't done any wax yet. Just wanted to give an update and say I'm happy with the product.
M Macmack Audiophyte Dec 14, 2019 2 0 1 72 Dec 14, 2019 #40 Hi, I have just joined this forum and have 40 years of experience in building maintaining and repairing audio equipment and I was naturally interested in this thread. However after reading some posts I thought for a moment I was in the good housekeeping forum with all the talk of polishes and cleaners etc. I feel that keeping loudspeakers in good condition means maintaining their ability to produce accurate undistorted sound. So with that in mind, some suggestions: rotate bass drivers 180 degrees to help reduce cone sag and therefore coil rub and tighten all bolts to stop any rattles. While the driver is out put a couple of silica-gel dehumidifier packets inside or If your speakers are ported, drop them in through the port (I have had to replace many drivers suffering from oxidised coils due to damp or humidity). While you're at it check the gaskets aren’t so compressed that they no longer seal. Clean the driver terminals if they are the push-on type and make sure they are tight. If the drivers have foam surrounds, check for disintegration. Unfortunately, there’s not much can be done to reverse this but because exposure to air is the cause, their life can be extended by coating with non acidic rubber cement if it’s applied before disintegration happens. As far as cosmetics are concerned use whatever works, just don’t stick them in the shower. - regards Macmack.
Hi, I have just joined this forum and have 40 years of experience in building maintaining and repairing audio equipment and I was naturally interested in this thread. However after reading some posts I thought for a moment I was in the good housekeeping forum with all the talk of polishes and cleaners etc. I feel that keeping loudspeakers in good condition means maintaining their ability to produce accurate undistorted sound. So with that in mind, some suggestions: rotate bass drivers 180 degrees to help reduce cone sag and therefore coil rub and tighten all bolts to stop any rattles. While the driver is out put a couple of silica-gel dehumidifier packets inside or If your speakers are ported, drop them in through the port (I have had to replace many drivers suffering from oxidised coils due to damp or humidity). While you're at it check the gaskets aren’t so compressed that they no longer seal. Clean the driver terminals if they are the push-on type and make sure they are tight. If the drivers have foam surrounds, check for disintegration. Unfortunately, there’s not much can be done to reverse this but because exposure to air is the cause, their life can be extended by coating with non acidic rubber cement if it’s applied before disintegration happens. As far as cosmetics are concerned use whatever works, just don’t stick them in the shower. - regards Macmack.
