The SEPARATES vs. AVR Thread

[snakeeyes]

I wouldn't say it's worth it.

But HDMI 2.1, 8K resolution, and IMAX Enhanced certification are 3 I can think of.

https://www.cnet.com/news/the-new-imax-enhanced-certification-hopes-to-improve-performance-of-your-home-theater/

Ya more worried about any HDCP version changes.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Has it gotten to the point where we associate economies of scale to quicker production, increased production, less cost, and less lifespan?

Is the term "separates" too loosely spoken? Should we reserve "separates" only to the niche market, instead of the mass market?

So true "separates" would be like the 2CH stereo Preamps and built-from-scratch Pre-pros like Theta, DataSAT, ATI, Bryston, and the upcoming Emotiva RMC-1 ?

Are the Pre-pros like those from Marantz, Yamaha, NAD, and Anthem all built from AVR, instead of from scratch?

So we have 2 types of Pre-pros:
1. Built-from-scratch (Theta, DataSAT, Bryston) - maybe we should call these Pre-Pro.

2. Built-from-AVR (Denon AVP-A1HDCI, Marantz, etc.) - maybe we should call these AVP (just like the AVR minus the amps).

And the built-from-AVR Pre-pros are only a little better than the AVR themselves because these Pre-pros are really just like the AVR in EVERY way, except the amp section has been removed?

You raise excellent questions.

I can't help but wonder what would change if Apple got involved in creating audio-video-receivers, av separates and even creating their own television sets (not including AppleTV).

Would the quality increase?

Would longevity increase?

Would the integration with other electronic hardware improve?

Maybe some of the problems these days with consumer electronics are from old thinking.

I don't know, I'm not a marketeer or an electrical engineer. My comments are just speculation.

 

[KEW]

You raise excellent questions.

I can't help but wonder what would change if Apple got involved in creating audio-video-receivers, av separates and even creating their own television sets (not including AppleTV).

Would the quality increase?

Would longevity increase?

Would the integration with other electronic hardware improve?

Maybe some of the problems these days with consumer electronics are from old thinking.

I don't know, I'm not a marketeer or an electrical engineer. My comments are just speculation.

A lot depends on if they introduce their own AVR's and use lightning interconnects exclusively!

(I like a lot about Apple, but their reluctance to get on board with the USB standard was absurd)

 

[snakeeyes]

The processing power of the smartphone keeps increasing so it is possible the iPhone could be the brain someday of an AVR somehow. Would that improve things or just make them worse?

 

[Drunkpenguin]

If its an iphone it'll be worse.

 

[snakeeyes]

If its an iphone it'll be worse.

I’m intrigued about the possibility of a company willing to get rid of hdmi, but ya probably would end up worse.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

I once worked for Apple so I'm forever against them now. I'm happy other people enjoy their stuff, I guess.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I once worked for Apple so I'm forever against them now...

Why what happened?

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

A lot depends on if they introduce their own AVR's and use lightning interconnects exclusively!

(I like a lot about Apple, but their reluctance to get on board with the USB standard was absurd)

Obviously, they would design their hardware to interact with other proprietary hardware without using 'mainstream' ports.

But yes, they certainly follow their own path.

And my Apple suggestion is just a thought, that's all. I'm not suggesting they would necessarily be the answer to design topology, reliability and longevity.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

Why what happened?

Not a good company to work for. They can say they "think different" all they want, but they think just like every other corporation and their bottom line is much more important to them than employees. 7 years of my life I wish I could have back. I'll leave it at that.

 

[snakeeyes]

Not a good company to work for. They can say they "think different" all they want, but they think just like every other corporation and their bottom line is much more important to them than employees. 7 years of my life I wish I could have back. I'll leave it at that.

I feel similar about Amazon after working there but I still buy from them. It’s so convenient.

 

[Drunkpenguin]

I love Amazon! Did you see that story about putting employees in cages lol?

 

[snakeeyes]

I love Amazon! Did you see that story about putting employees in cages lol?

Ya that’s a great idea. Maybe could work for mother in laws too?!

I keep waiting for the drone delivery idea to happen.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Not a good company to work for. They can say they "think different" all they want, but they think just like every other corporation and their bottom line is much more important to them than employees. 7 years of my life I wish I could have back. I'll leave it at that.

I've used iPhones, iPads, Macbooks, Apple TVs over the past 8 years. I can say that I really really hate Apple.

But my wife and daughters love iPhones because they say the iPhone interfaces are pretty.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

I've had good service with Apple products so far.

ADTG,
What do you think of the new Rotel?

https://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/rsp-1576

Simplicity and room to breathe.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I've had good service with Apple products so far.

ADTG,
What do you think of the new Rotel?

https://www.audioholics.com/av-preamp-processor-reviews/rsp-1576

Simplicity and room to breathe.

Looks very clean.

If that is only 2 layers of cards (top and bottom), then I would say this belongs in the built-from-scratch Pre-pro, definitely not the built-from-AVR AVP.

 

[Out-Of-Phase]

Looks very clean.

If that is only 2 layers of cards (top and bottom), then I would say this belongs in the built-from-scratch Pre-pro, definitely not the built-from-AVR AVP.

Yes, agreed. I'm definitely not audiophile, but Rotel does build nice products.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Yes, agreed. I'm definitely not audiophile, but Rotel does build nice products.

Too bad that $2400 Rotel pre-pro has no XLR.

Not for SQ, but XLR is standard for Separates prepro.

 

[Verdinut]

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Too bad that $2400 Rotel pre-pro has no XLR.

Not for SQ, but XLR is standard for Separates prepro.

It has balanced XLR inputs.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

It has balanced XLR inputs.

So does the Yamaha RX-A3080 RECEIVER, which isn't even a "Pre-pro".

Oh wait, actually this Yamaha RECEIVER has more XLR connectors than the Rotel Pre-pro!

This Yamaha receiver has XLR outputs for the Front L/R and XLR stereo Inputs!

But surely, people expect a lot more from a $2,400 Pre-pro. And XLR isn't really asking for a lot.