Audyssey Editor App- With Screenshots!

[Pogre]

I'll bet they wanted that id number so they can revoke me from using it when they refund my money. I think they should let me keep it for my troubles. I wasted a lot of time on that thing.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I'll bet they wanted that id number so they can revoke me from using it when they refund my money. I think they should let me keep it for my troubles. I wasted a lot of time on that thing.

Yeah, you’ve got enough documented hours too. They should pay you some dev fees or something.

 

[agarwalro]

Yeah, you’ve got enough documented hours too. They should pay you some dev fees or something.

Or a free upgrade .

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Or a free upgrade .

I like your thinking!

 

[VonMagnum]

I'd not put much into the graphic pictures provided....get your own mic and REW if you want to really take and record measurements. Audyssey graphic representations simply aren't accurate measurements to go by....IMO.

I'm confused. How can Audyssey "correct" anything if its graphs (and therefore measurements) can't be remotely trusted? The amount of error in the microphone would compound your room troubles instead of correcting something if it's that inaccurate. One would think if it's that inaccurate they would recommend you buy an accurate microphone to use with the system even if it costs you $100 or more. But they specifically say to NOT use another microphone with it as it's calibrated for that one.

If that's true, then why on earth wouldn't the graphs be accurate for an averaged room response within the 4-foot or so range of the averaged mic response? Averaged doesn't necessarily mean inaccurate. A single point in space doesn't really tell much by itself either as moving your head or sitting in the chair slightly different could alter the results (just having two ears makes a single mic in the center inaccurate compared to what you hear).

 

[lovinthehd]

I'm confused. How can Audyssey "correct" anything if its graphs (and therefore measurements) can't be remotely trusted? The amount of error in the microphone would compound your room troubles instead of correcting something if it's that inaccurate. One would think if it's that inaccurate they would recommend you buy an accurate microphone to use with the system even if it costs you $100 or more. But they specifically say to NOT use another microphone with it as it's calibrated for that one.

If that's true, then why on earth wouldn't the graphs be accurate for an averaged room response within the 4-foot or so range of the averaged mic response? Averaged doesn't necessarily mean inaccurate. A single point in space doesn't really tell much by itself either as moving your head or sitting in the chair slightly different could alter the results (just having two ears makes a single mic in the center inaccurate compared to what you hear).

It's just they don't seek to provide detailed measurment data, pretty much what I remember Chris K of Audyssey saying at one point (reason being backward engineering type stuff IIRC). That was pre-app, tho. Don't know about how accurate the projections from that would be (and IIRC they're just projections, not actual measurement data).

 

[VonMagnum]

It's just they don't seek to provide detailed measurment data, pretty much what I remember Chris K of Audyssey saying at one point. That was pre-app, tho. Don't know about how accurate the projections from that would be (and IIRC they're just projections, not actual measurement data).

I'm looking at my app data "room correction results" (it shows before/after graphs; I'm not referring to the correction curve) and I'm wondering if it's at all accurate for an average response. I should get REW with a umik, but it still seems like the graphs should be pretty close or Audyssey isn't doing anyone any favors by showing them (assuming that it is correct internally). At least from the SPL slow bass sweeps, it certainly seems to match the deviations at the same frequencies in the bass region and fall off in the same exact place on the before/after SPL sweep measurements.

Are people just taking 'screen snapshots' with those posted graphs? I see no export graph option and on an iPod Touch, it's pretty small to even look at.

 

[ryanosaur]

I would like to think the 'before' has an element of truth to it, but they aren't in the deep end of the pool in the sense that professional room doctors aren't gonna pull out their iPhone, run Aud, and be like: "yup, all good here." Nothing will replace a good program like REW. That said, when I get the new speakers and REW going, I'll have a point of comparison between with Aud, without Aud, and see them much better resolution. In fact, what would be ideal is a group of us sharing our on-board room correction graphs where available AND our REW or OmniMic graphs!

To idealistic?

 

[lovinthehd]

I'm looking at my app data "room correction results" (it shows before/after graphs; I'm not referring to the correction curve) and I'm wondering if it's at all accurate for an average response. I should get REW with a umik, but it still seems like the graphs should be pretty close or Audyssey isn't doing anyone any favors by showing them (assuming that it is correct internally). At least from the SPL slow bass sweeps, it certainly seems to match the deviations at the same frequencies in the bass region and fall off in the same exact place on the before/after SPL sweep measurements.

Are people just taking 'screen snapshots' with those posted graphs? I see no export graph option and on an iPod Touch, it's pretty small to even look at.

They're like avr bi-amping and most speakers with bi-wiring terminals, just not meaningful features as far as I'm concerned. If you want actual detail from actual measurements (let alone even changing the graph parameters I'd bet) that's just something else other than these weird little graphs as incorporated....

 

[VonMagnum]

I see the midrange compensation 2kHz dip even though I'm pretty sure I had it turned off...strange (I just used the iOS "snapshot" since I didn't see any export results option in the app (attached are the stereo L/R and sub before/after graphs it showed). I do have reference on (high frequency falloff as 'flat' sounds way too sibilant to my ears most of the time). But yeah, certainly at this snapshot level, it's not exactly high resolution graphing regardless of how 'accurate' it is.

 

[ryanosaur]

Double check your app to make certain MRC is off, then make certain you send it to your AVR. Mine went away... only to be replaced by my building a version of MRC into my actual curve editor.

 

[ryanosaur]

This is mine from my last soiree with Aud.
https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/room-eq-yes-or-no-or-sparingly.114519/post-1311307

(you can see my rendition of the MRC is more shallow and wide... a gentle swale instead of a crater.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I'm looking at my app data "room correction results" (it shows before/after graphs; I'm not referring to the correction curve) and I'm wondering if it's at all accurate for an average response. I should get REW with a umik, but it still seems like the graphs should be pretty close or Audyssey isn't doing anyone any favors by showing them (assuming that it is correct internally). At least from the SPL slow bass sweeps, it certainly seems to match the deviations at the same frequencies in the bass region and fall off in the same exact place on the before/after SPL sweep measurements.

Are people just taking 'screen snapshots' with those posted graphs? I see no export graph option and on an iPod Touch, it's pretty small to even look at.

I was taking screen shots.

You’re right. It’s not an actual response curve. It’s the predicted response of what audyssey is aiming for. Whether it gets there or not has to be verified by REW. It would be nice if the app could have the functionality of itself combined with rew.

 

[ryanosaur]

I wouldn't program it that way.

 

[ryanosaur]

I was taking screen shots.

You’re right. It’s not an actual response curve. It’s the predicted response of what audyssey is aiming for. Whether it gets there or not has to be verified by REW. It would be nice if the app could have the functionality of itself combined with rew.

Pardon the cross-thread humor.
I agree, It would be great... for $20... to give us some honest insight like that.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Pardon the cross-thread humor.
I agree, It would be great... for $20... to give us some honest insight like that.

Heck I’d even pay 25! If I were smart, I’d finish learning to code and build something like that. Rew/minidsp/ and audyssey app all in one. $2.99. Make a million!

 

[ryanosaur]

Don't sell yourself short. with functionality like that, 9.99... 17.99 add free.
I get a producer credit.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Don't sell yourself short. with functionality like that, 9.99... 17.99 add free.
I get a producer credit.

Think we’d have to get together and consult a few times. Bloody Mary or two to start? Definitely a producer credit. R and D too.

 

[ryanosaur]

Think we’d have to get together and consult a few times. Bloody Mary or two to start? Definitely a producer credit. R and D too.

The good news, we have 3 yrs to “turn a profit” and we can write off research expenses.
We clearly need at least 1 legacy audio system, 1 jtr system, 1 Salk system... and how bout them Wilson audios they just reviewed here? Flagship avps and amps...
Oh... cost of relocating you to the west coast!
And dedicated listening labs for us to each work from home.
Anything else?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

The good news, we have 3 yrs to “turn a profit” and we can write off research expenses.
We clearly need at least 1 legacy audio system, 1 jtr system, 1 Salk system... and how bout them Wilson audios they just reviewed here? Flagship avps and amps...
Oh... cost of relocating you to the west coast!
And dedicated listening labs for us to each work from home.
Anything else?

THIS is why we should totally do this. I’ll think of more, but that’s a great start! Can’t wait to tell my wife!!!