Yamaha RXV-2600 Lacks real Sub Power!!!!

[Khellandros66]

Ok Asus999, first off welcome to AH. I know this new tech can be confusing at times, but going on a rampage on forums like here won't get you the right attention.

Now that we have this out of the the way.

Pure Direct mode bypasses the YPAO and any other manipulation of the sound. (clearly stated in the owner's manual). EDIT- AFD found on Sony's receiver isn't the same, in the case of the 2600 just set the receiver to "Stereo"

For you CV's set them to large and set them to "BOTH" this will direct the LFE to both the Front L?R and the Subwoofer out.

As for the LFE/Bass you can go into the the Set Menu options, double check the LFE volume and the LFE Mix. There are two settings one is the level for your sub and the other is to attenuate incoming signals. I have mine set to -10 for the sub volume and +3 for the LFE Attenuation (this gives me the best over all bass performance).

Sony's ES series have a very simplistic setup processes with little to no tweaking involved (my dad has the STR-DA1ES). Yamaha on the other hand is more involved beyond the typical +/- settings for each channel. Read through the manual and take the time to read the "notes" they leave.

~Bob

 

[asus999]

Ok Asus999, first off welcome to AH. I know this new tech can be confusing at times, but going on a rampage on forums like here won't get you the right attention.


Now that we have this out of the the way.

Pure Direct mode bypases the YPAO (clearly stated in the owner's manual).

-- I Know there is a differnce, I stated that there is no Sub output even in Pure direct Mode. ---

For you CV's set them to large and set them to "BOTH" this will direct the LFE to both the Front L?R and the Subwoofer out.

-- As indicated in my previous Post... Did That-- Still Doesnt work properly --

As for the LFE/Bass you can go into the the Set Menu options, double check the LFE volume and the LFE Mix. There are two settings one is the level for your sub and the other is to attenuate incoming signals. I have mine set to -10 for the sub volume and +3 for the LFE Attenuation (this gives me the best over all bass performance).

Sony's ES series have a very simplistic setup processes with little to no tweaking involved (my dad has the STR-DA1ES). Yamaha on the other hand is more involved beyond the typical +/- settings for each channel. Read through the manual and take the time to read the "notes" they leave.

Done That.. Haven't given up... Just seeking advise from the Experts....

~Bob

-- I'm Not confused ---

"Pure Direct mode bypases the YPAO (clearly stated in the owner's manual)."

-- I Know there is a differnce, I stated that there is no Sub output even in Pure direct Mode. ---

"For you CV's set them to large and set them to "BOTH" this will direct the LFE to both the Front L?R and the Subwoofer out."

-- As indicated in my previous Post... Did That-- Still Doesnt work properly --
Done That.. Haven't given up... Just seeking advise from the Experts....

 

[rgriffin25]

-- I'm Not confused ---

"Pure Direct mode bypases the YPAO (clearly stated in the owner's manual)."

-- I Know there is a differnce, I stated that there is no Sub output even in Pure direct Mode. ---

"For you CV's set them to large and set them to "BOTH" this will direct the LFE to both the Front L?R and the Subwoofer out."

-- As indicated in my previous Post... Did That-- Still Doesnt work properly --
Done That.. Haven't given up... Just seeking advise from the Experts....

Well if you are 100% sure that you have adjusted all the settings properly and have all the wiring done correctly you may have a defective unit. I recently sold my Pioneer VSX-53TX and bought the 2600 and I must say the Yamaha sounds great! Plenty of power to fill my 13X30 room with sound.

 

[asus999]

Here are some settings I have from my receiver when I display the info..

Main Setup / Sound / LFE Level / Speaker -----|0.0dB It will not let me increase it past 0.0db. it will go to the left -1,-2,-3, etc...

Main Setup /Sound/Dynamic Range /Speaker .. Options available.MAX /STD/MIN .. Mine is set to MIN.

Main Setup/ BAsic/Speaker Level/ SubWoofer 0.0db. I have changed this to +10db

I did a couple more Auto Setup and I am getting a error message when it completes..

W3:Level Error
SubWfr <-10.0db

Over+-10.0db

My Volume setting on my Subwoofer is maxed to the right

Thanks

 

[Khellandros66]

I would then phone Yamaha and inquire about the serial numbers on the units, perhpas a bad batch got out (happens from time to time with any CE manufacturer) cause alot of times as they come off the aseembly all boxed up sequential Serialed units get sent to the same dealer.

~Bob

 

[Hi Ho]

Actually my normal levels for the volume is less than half, but because I'm trying anything to get it to sound the way it should, I have Maxed them out.. Both the Volume and the Crossover are maxed to the right...

This is a significant statement that seems to have been overlooked. If you have the crossover "maxed to the right" then you are effectively creating a gaping hole in the frequency response. The crossover on the sub should be at the LOWEST level so the crossover in the receiver can do the work.

 

[Newfiestang50]

This is a significant statement that seems to have been overlooked. If you have the crossover "maxed to the right" then you are effectively creating a gaping hole in the frequency response. The crossover on the sub should be at the LOWEST level so the crossover in the receiver can do the work.

Hi Ho, I think the Xover on the sub should be set to max (if there is no Xover bypass), that way the receiver has the full range of the sub at its control. The volume on the sub however should be set to less than half way according to the 2600 manual. I just followed the instructions of the manual and pressed start in the auto setup and that was it, everything sounded excellant. The only thing that i did change after the auto setup was my main speaker levels while listening to 2 channel sterio, I maxed these out.

Auss, have you reduced you sub volume to less than half way before running the auto setup?

 

[Newfiestang50]

I already returned one because there was no Sub sound coming from their Optical connections except for the DTV port... This was confirmed by the store when I brought it back.. they tested it.. and I was right.. so they gave me another one.. Now this one plays SUB from all the ports.. Just Not up to par..

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Asus9999, just wondering why you would be concerned with the "sub sound" coming from the optical out connections that you mentioned, this has nothing to do with your sub, the DTV optical connection that you mentioned is in fact a digital input to your receiver not an output, the only digital outputs on the receiver are for MD/Tape and CD-R. The 2600 does not have a digital signal out to your sub, atleast mine doesn't, your sub should be connected to your sub pre out (LFE) only (RCA connection), nothing else.

 

[asus999]

Asus9999, just wondering why you would be concerned with the "sub sound" coming from the optical out connections that you mentioned, this has nothing to do with your sub, the DTV optical connection that you mentioned is in fact a digital input to your receiver not an output, the only digital outputs on the receiver are for MD/Tape and CD-R. The 2600 does not have a digital signal out to your sub, atleast mine doesn't, your sub should be connected to your sub pre out (LFE) only (RCA connection), nothing else.

The Sub Sounds are Low coming from My Optical In ports.. My Sub is connected to the LFE Pre out using a single Monster Sub Cable.

 

[asus999]

Hi Ho, I think the Xover on the sub should be set to max (if there is no Xover bypass), that way the receiver has the full range of the sub at its control. The volume on the sub however should be set to less than half way according to the 2600 manual. I just followed the instructions of the manual and pressed start in the auto setup and that was it, everything sounded excellant. The only thing that i did change after the auto setup was my main speaker levels while listening to 2 channel sterio, I maxed these out.

Auss, have you reduced you sub volume to less than half way before running the auto setup?

Thats the way I had it at first.. because with my previous receiver, I NEVER had the volume past Half...

I'm Justvtrying everything to see if something works.


Thanks

 

[asus999]

This is a significant statement that seems to have been overlooked. If you have the crossover "maxed to the right" then you are effectively creating a gaping hole in the frequency response. The crossover on the sub should be at the LOWEST level so the crossover in the receiver can do the work.

This is the current setting, however, Either position, maxed out or in the middle, I did not get the Sub sound I'm used to..

 

[asus999]

I would then phone Yamaha and inquire about the serial numbers on the units, perhpas a bad batch got out (happens from time to time with any CE manufacturer) cause alot of times as they come off the aseembly all boxed up sequential Serialed units get sent to the same dealer.

~Bob

Thanks.. I will do it eventually.. Just trying to see if its something I'm doing first, before calling Yamaha...

Does anyone have any comments on my settings and error message in my previous post in the thread.. would like to know..

Thanks..

 

[jeffsg4mac]

Here are some settings I have from my receiver when I display the info..

Main Setup / Sound / LFE Level / Speaker -----|0.0dB It will not let me increase it past 0.0db. it will go to the left -1,-2,-3, etc...

Main Setup /Sound/Dynamic Range /Speaker .. Options available.MAX /STD/MIN .. Mine is set to MIN.

Main Setup/ BAsic/Speaker Level/ SubWoofer 0.0db. I have changed this to +10db

I did a couple more Auto Setup and I am getting a error message when it completes..

W3:Level Error
SubWfr <-10.0db

Over+-10.0db

My Volume setting on my Subwoofer is maxed to the right

Thanks

I see one thing set wrong. Dynamic range should be set to max not minimum. Page 84 of manual

Also check that LFE level. Page 83. Should be at 0 it might be set to -10

 

[Buckeyefan 1]

Asus,

I'm assuming this is your sub (one model below - is your sub discontinued?) I'm getting the feeling it could be your sub moreso than your receiver. A Sony sub and receiver may work better than Sony/Yammy due to different low level outputs. Who knows the signal level that came out of your Sony compared to this Yamaha. Hopefully that's not the case, but Sony is Sony and Bose is Bose. (I had a Sony STRDE 925 receiver, and it was a totally different animal than my Denon 3805). Still, a powered sub only needs a very low level output. I'm not familiar with Yamaha receivers. Is the output decreased to the sub when selecting LFE + Main as opposed to LFE only?


http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=SAWX700&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=hav_HiFiComponents_Speakers

 

[asus999]

Asus,

I'm assuming this is your sub (one model below - is your sub discontinued?) I'm getting the feeling it could be your sub moreso than your receiver. A Sony sub and receiver may work better than Sony/Yammy due to different low level outputs. Who knows the signal level that came out of your Sony compared to this Yamaha. Hopefully that's not the case, but Sony is Sony and Bose is Bose. (I had a Sony STRDE 925 receiver, and it was a totally different animal than my Denon 3805). Still, a powered sub only needs a very low level output. I'm not familiar with Yamaha receivers. Is the output decreased to the sub when selecting LFE + Main as opposed to LFE only?


http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=SAWX700&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=hav_HiFiComponents_Speakers

NO.. This is My Sub

http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/sony/subwoofers/PRD_327896_2741crx.aspx

Definitely NOT my Sub.

The Output to the Subs, Both or SubWfr Only is the same.

Bottom line, I have to turn up the volume to High on the Yamaha Receiver, to get any real Sub sound..

Thanks.

 

[asus999]

I see one thing set wrong. Dynamic range should be set to max not minimum. Page 84 of manual

Also check that LFE level. Page 83. Should be at 0 it might be set to -10

Thanks..

I will change the Dynamic range when I get home tonight to see if it makes a differece, and I'm pretty sure the LFE level is at "0".. It will not go past "0" into the +1,+2 etc.. if those are even possible..

 

[fergusonv]

You may want to check your phase settings on your sub as well as the distance setup for the sub. The reciever is fine and has plenty of power, it's in your setup. You may want to read your manual as well.

 

[asus999]

You may want to check your phase settings on your sub as well as the distance setup for the sub. The reciever is fine and has plenty of power, it's in your setup. You may want to read your manual as well.

Phase setting is Normal on my Sub and also set to Normal in my receiver setup. Everything I have done so far has been consistent with the manual. Do you have any other ideas?

The YAPO Analyzer indicated my Sub is 16 Feet distance from my Listening area..

 

[fergusonv]

1. Make sure your phase is set correctly. Easiest way to do this is to set your bass ouput to both and set your mains to large. Adjust the phase on the sub until you get the most output.
2. Adjust distance as necessary to get it to blend well.
3. After that, set the volume on the sub to around half way and set the crossover as high as it will go.
4. Go back into my setup and set bass output to sub and mains set to small. At this point you should be getting bass from the sub. Crossover is up to you but I would suggest ~60hz.
5. Run YPAO and set it to skip speaker setup only, let it check the distance, eq and levels. It should set your sub level pretty close.

- If the bass is still lacking you may want to raise gain on the sub amp.
- You should not be setting your mains to +10. They should stay within a few dbs of 0, if the bass is not blending with the mains raise/lower the preout level for the sub.
- As others have said your dynamic range is set incorrectly.
- If you have tried using pure direct (realize this takes the sub out of the equation) and your bass is lacking it's because your mains are not doing a good job and don't have the extension you need.
- Setting the mains to large or both is fine as long as you ensure the sub phase is correct, if not they will work against each other and reduce the amount of bass produced.
- Consider that what you may be used to is not as accurate as what you have now.

 

[bongobob]

Exactly what does "Dynamic Range" do? I leave it set to "Normal" on my 2500 figuring I'm getting the flattest response. Is this incorrect?