YAMAHA RXV-2400 REVIEW

[Dubauskas]

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Guest : <font color='#000000'>Dubauskas, can you try doing a sound test and see if you get sound coming from only the rear and only the presence at the appropriate times. Maybe something is different on your setup than mine. Thanks.</font>

<font color='#000000'>No problem... but what do you mean by appropriate time...? &nbsp;Please describe further so that I may test.

Gene, I will double check the DPIIx to see if presences are on/off.... &nbsp;I was testing so many mode that I may have gottent them mixed up!

Finally Gene, could you please ask what DAC's they are using... the only answer I got was 3 front Burr Browns, and the rest Yamaha's.... Gordon McGregor and I would love to know what DAC's they are using!!!

Cheers - Dave</font>

 

[Dubauskas]

<font color='#000000'>Ok.... here are my findings:

I turned down all speakers except presence and surround back... to make sure there was no confusion.

With a Dolby Digital source (Charlie's Angels first movie):

&nbsp; &nbsp; - The presences only come on when DD Enhanced or any &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;of the DSP modes are selected. &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; - THX Cinema has no presence. &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; - If DPIIx is selected both the back and presences work.

With a Dolby Digital EX source (LOTR Fellowship) :

&nbsp; &nbsp; - The presences and back surrounds always work (DSP
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Modes and THX modes)..... &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; - If I turn off EX then the backs and presences stop
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; working. &nbsp;
&nbsp; &nbsp; - I tried both straight EX and DPIIx and both modes had
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; sound coming from the presences (and backs)....

So it seams the presence channels are working as expected with straight 5.1 sources, however with 6.1 sources the presences and backs always work together. &nbsp; &nbsp;Perhaps it's a bug with the DPIIx upgrade?

Cheers - Dave</font>

 

[SoftEng]

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gene : <font color='#000000'>BTW Ross, yes I believe you do have the option of adding YPAO via 6CH inputs.  I don't have mine plugged in right now, perhaps other owners here could verify.</font>

<font color='#000000'>I don't think multi channel inputs go through YPAO - they don't go through the DSP either, its analog all the way.</font>

 

[SoftEng]

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Guest : <font color='#000000'>I guess the 2400 is different than my 1400 in this respect or I am just missing something. All I see in the Ext. Inputs menu is 6 or 8 channel, and asking me if I want LFE to go to front or sub, etc. Nothing about changing levels. If this is true I would have spent the extra to get this feature on the 2400 instead of my 1400.

Thanks,

PAT</font>

<font color='#000000'>There isn't a separate level trim for the multi ch inputs on the V2400 as far as I can tell. &nbsp;You can adjust the levels independently on each channel but the adjustment affects all inputs not just multi ch.</font>

 

[footman]

<font color='#000000'>Reading these postings I began to review other Yamaha products currently available. &nbsp;The rxv3300 strikes me as the stronger product. &nbsp; It &nbsp;lacks &nbsp;THX ,YPAO ,DP2xx upgrade. &nbsp;To compensate it appears to have better construction, higher power rating per channel,dedicated presence channels,2 subwoofer outputs. &nbsp; The whole thing makes me wonder what are we being asked to buy. I understand supporting advancing technology and YPAO and auto calibration sound facinating. &nbsp; But these adjustments strike me as something that using patience and a good ear could be done manually. &nbsp; Any comments. &nbsp;thank you.</font>

 

[gene]

<font color='#000000'>SoftENG;

Hmm I seem to remember adjusting the channel trims via EXT inputs separately from the global settings and it did not affect the global trim settings for DD/DTS. &nbsp;I know for sure the RX-Z1 did this. &nbsp;You guys are forcing me to reconnect the RX-V2400 again

As for the RX-V3300, if memory serves, that receiver costs about $600 or so more than the 2400 so its really not a fair comparison IMO.</font>

 

[SoftEng]

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gene : <font color='#000000'>SoftENG;

Hmm I seem to remember adjusting the channel trims via EXT inputs separately from the global settings and it did not affect the global trim settings for DD/DTS.  I know for sure the RX-Z1 did this.  You guys are forcing me to reconnect the RX-V2400 again

As for the RX-V3300, if memory serves, that receiver costs about $600 or so more than the 2400 so its really not a fair comparison IMO.</font>

<font color='#000000'>Looking forward to seeing what you come up with! &nbsp;

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[SoftEng]

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footman : I understand supporting advancing technology and YPAO and auto calibration sound facinating.   But these adjustments strike me as something that using patience and a good ear could be done manually.

YPAO uses a parametric equalizer, you would need special equipment to duplicate what it does manually.  If you don't want to use the auto parametric eq, you can take advantage of a 7-band graphic equalizer with independent settings for each channel - not many receivers can equal that.

My experience with the parametric eq is good. In switching back and forth between the parametric eq and no eq, I consistently prefer the auto parametric eq, which makes the music sound fuller and more lively / 3-dimensional.</font>

 

[SoftEng]

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gene : <font color='#000000'>I see where you are coming from, but don't believe the Yamaha is that sophisticated to determine that.  However, I could be wrong, thus I will pose this to them.</font>

<font color='#000000'>I did some testing. &nbsp;You are correct, the Yamaha is not sophisticated enough to set a THX reference level.

The max the volume will go to is +16.5db including any speaker level settings that are higher than 0db. &nbsp;The reason that your max volume setting is 9 and mine is 14.5 is because at least one of your speaker levels is at +7.5db; my right front is at +2db.

16.5 - 2 is 14.5, and 16.5 - 7.5 is 9.</font>

 

[gene]

<font color='#000000'>As always, great feedback SoftEng!  At least that mystery has been solved.  I am so accustomed to having my main speakers at 0dB reference and calibrating all other channels around that level that I forgot YPAO boosted my main speakers and calibrated from there.

However, I think your idea about the receiver limiting volume, at least in THX mode, based on it calculating available dynamic headroom derived by the measured sensitivity of your speakers is a great idea!

If you could now verify independent channel trim setting via EXT inputs, you will save me unboxing the unit and setting it up  

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[im timmy]

<font color='#000000'>hello everybody, im new at this but this is my question, I recently bought a RXV1400, and it hasnt been hooked up yet. i am wanting to know if i should upgrade to the RXV2400 or possibly the Denon3803. The cost is only $160.00 through my local dealer to return and upgrade, are either one of the following units worth the extra $160? The 2400 offers a macro remote and a tad more wattage, also a rs232 interface but I dont know what that would do. Does the Denon offer better dac's or anything else I should know? Cosmetically I prefer the Yamaha's, any feed back would be helpful</font>

 

[Yamahaluver]

<font color='#0000FF'>Stick to the RXV-1400 and spend the money elsewhere, maybe on better speakers or a SACD player, the tad more wattage of the 2400 would hardly make any difference.</font>

 

[im timmy]

<font color='#000000'>Thankx for the reply.  I already bought a Denon 2200 DVD player and Canton Le Series Speakers.  

Do you know anything about the RS 232 Port on the Yamaha RXV2400?  This is the only reason why I'm considering upgrading, but I don't know enough about it.  Something about upgrading the receiver later on.  Thankx.</font>

 

[Guest]

<font color='#000000'>The RS232 will never be used to upgrade your unit.

However, &nbsp;with a modem cable you can use your PC to program the unit, save your settings and tweak in a way no other manufacturer has ever offered. &nbsp;I expect others to follow Yamahas lead and come out with PC based config programs.

The 2400 is worth it for this reason alone.</font>

 

[Guest]

<font color='#000000'>i have been running the rxv 2400 now for a week and i love it. it does have 8 outputs for speakers an excellent review by someone way more knowledgable then me can be found on this sitehttp://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/YamahaRXV-2400Receiver-p1.html

since you guys are wanting way more technical answers then i can give hopefully this will answer it. One note however using the mic for the auto setup was very easy. It had no problems with out of phase errors or speaker size. Hope this helps you guys</font>

 

[Guest]

<font color='#000000'>So what is the deal with the Pro-logic IIx on these babies? &nbsp;did the earlier manufactured ones not get it and now the newly made ones will?</font>

 

[im timmy]

<font color='#000000'>Wow! thanks for clearing that up for me, it does sound like a neat feature for a receiver. I'm so glad this forum and website has come across my eyes, thanks Audioholics and fellow forum members. I am new at this hobby but the reviews and hands on knowledge from everybody make this fun everyday, however this new hobby seems to empty my pockets quickly! Anybody have any input on the Denon3803 in comparison to the RXV2400? Does the Yamaha have the edge here for the same price with its features and or performance? I cant find any reviews on the Denon.</font>

 

[Dubauskas]

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Guest : <font color='#000000'>The RS232 will never be used to upgrade your unit.</font>

<font color='#000000'>That's not true.... it's proven. &nbsp;Yamaha offered a DPIIx upgrade to it's existing users.</font>

 

[Guest]

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SoftEng : As for the RX-V3300, if memory serves, that receiver costs about $600 or so more than the 2400 so its really not a fair comparison IMO.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with!  

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Prices for the RXV3300 seem to be real close to the 2400.  Just over $700 for the 3300.</font>

 

[Guest]

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Dubauskas : <font color='#000000'><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td>Quote (Guest @ Dec. 16 2003,23:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The RS232 will never be used to upgrade your unit.

That's not true.... it's proven.  Yamaha offered a DPIIx upgrade to it's existing users.</font></td></tr></table>
<font color='#000000'>Dub,

Do you have the firmware used to flash the system or know where it can be downloaded? &nbsp;If you do there will be alot of happy 2400 owners out there.

My guess is you don't.</font>