Yamaha RX-V3900 vrs Marantz SR8002

[Marco]

Need some help on this one....

 

[Lordoftherings]

* Marantz SR8002 *

Need some help on this one....

Good morning Marco, como esta amigo?

Two great receivers. But my choice is the Marantz SR8002, by a reasonable margin too.
* Audyssey MultEQ, with Audyssey Dynamic EQ and Volume
* THX Select2 Plus certification, with THX Volume Plus
* HDCD decoder
* 4 HDMI in, 2 HDMI out
* Excellent build quality with top grade parts all around
* Excellent sound quality, even in 2-channel stereo listening
* All rear and front jacks (RCA, S-VHS, Composite, Component, HDMI, all of them...) gold plated.
* Easy ergonomics, easy operation, cool remote
* Marantz reliability and solid build construction in and out
* Toroidal main power transformer
* True power in all channels driven
** One of my very favorite A/V receiver, I just luv it

I'm sure I forget a bunch more of great attributes, but I think you got the picture by now.

Have a great day, buenos dias,
Roberto

 

[Marco]

Gracias Roberto, buenos días desde Costa Rica

 

[Lordoftherings]

Gracias Roberto, buenos días desde Costa Rica

Y tu tambian Marco.

Bienvenido desde Canada.

 

[DSANTI]

I just was kind of wondering the same thing but between the SR8002 over the RX-V1900. Just don't want to start a new thread. I already own the 1900 though and was wondering if it would be worth the upgrade. I have had it for 6 months now and am hoping to get an improvement for 2 ch music but still have the dynamics for movie watching the the Yamaha gives me.
I am also using an XPA-3 for my front 3 speakers(paradigm studio 100s/cc-690). So another question I have since I am using an XPA-3 is would the SR6003 be good enough with the amp or is the 8002 still a better choice. I would be saving a couple of hundred bucks with the 6003 but do they have the same sound quality.. would the 6003/xpa-3 combo be the same as using the 8002 with the xpa-3. I have only heard the 6003 with B&W 600 series and with Paradigm Monitors but they didn't have the 8002 or the Studios. I'm not considering the 7002 since the 8002 is almost the same price on sale. thanks for any help

DSANTI

 

[PENG]

I just don't buy the notion that somehow Marantz, HK and NAD sounds warm and better for music than Yamaha and Denon etc. To me, they are all good brands that we can tell their performance mostly by comparing their specs carefully. The RX-V1900 is 4.6 pounds heavier than the 8002 but the 8002 seems to have a larger power supply. (Yamaha power consumption spec: 500W, 1100W maximum, Marantz spec: 780W, no maximum specified).

So I would say if you like some of the features that only the marantz offers, such as the THX select2 certification and Audyssey etc., then go for it. If you are after better SQ playing 2 channel music then you may be further ahead by investing on other things.

 

[Superfly]

I would like to agree with you but I have noticed differences with receivers.
maybe it has to do with the interaction with your speakers.or the Preamp section and not the Amp section
but their is a difference that can be made.

It's like Pizza hut and Pizza Nova, It's still pizza but they taste different.
It also doesn't mean one is better than the other it depends on your taste.

I have tried Onkyo, Pioneer Elite (SC-07) and now Sony 5400ES. Right now I like the Sony sound better..I haven't tried Yamaha, or Denon's new stuff. I am trying to get better knowledge in what to look at for the next move or possible upgrade.

 

[Lordoftherings]

That Sony 5400ES has some nice reviews raving about it's audio quality.

Did you try Rotel? Onkyo 906? Anthem pre/pro with Bryston amps?

 

[Superfly]

Actually I haven't tried the Rotel or the onkyo 906 at home

I went and listened to the rotel but it sounded similar to the Pioneer. I wonder if it has to do with the Ice Amps. I am not sure. with my speakers I keeped trying to tweek the Pioneer and I could never get it to sound right.
The moment I hooked up the Sony It was doing what I wanted. The voices were clear and detailed, and the speakers disappeared in 2 channel. Surround
actually surrounded me better, I was hearing all these little sounds and the sounds were closer to how they would actually sound eg Drums, cymbals, Male voices. I have Never heard my speakers sound this good (Yes I said Never). I don't think the reviews are wrong on this one.

Down side.
It does have less features extras, but it also has some that the pioneer doesn't have.
you have to turn the volume up more than you would have on the Pioneer SC-07. ( Not good for inefficient speakers) on the SC-07 I would watch a movie at -24 on the Sony i watch at -19.

But I can't give up the better sound quality. and my speakers are pretty efficient anyway.

I still want to demo the Yamaha Z7 if it is close in sound, I may just add a amp to the sony if It will yeld better results.

 

[Lordoftherings]

I was referring to a normal Rotel receiver (RSX-1067), not the newer ones.

Too bad that you didn't listen to the Onkyo 906.

* I think that with the two receivers above, your Sony 5400ES would have a good match.

 

[Superfly]

I was referring to a normal Rotel receiver (RSX-1067), not the newer ones.

Too bad that you didn't listen to the Onkyo 906.

* I think that with the two receivers above, your Sony 5400ES would have a good match.

LOL, It is funny because I thought the Pioneer 94 sounded better than the -07
Hey I don't mind I can still try them ( Thank's for starting the search again
out of the 2 which would sound good for 2 channel. as well as HT. my recollection was onkyo (with the older models were they sounded good for HT but 2 channel music wasn't the best)

 

[bandphan]

I would like to agree with you but I have noticed differences with receivers.
maybe it has to do with the interaction with your speakers.or the Preamp section and not the Amp section
but their is a difference that can be made.

It's like Pizza hut and Pizza Nova, It's still pizza but they taste different.
It also doesn't mean one is better than the other it depends on your taste.

I have tried Onkyo, Pioneer Elite (SC-07) and now Sony 5400ES. Right now I like the Sony sound better..I haven't tried Yamaha, or Denon's new stuff. I am trying to get better knowledge in what to look at for the next move or possible upgrade.

Placebo Level matched DBT will be the only way you know for sure. Shared components(ie DACs) and transparent amplification, insure the if an AVR plays within its stated specs without distortion, differences are not audiable consistantly. Manufactures strive for signal purity as a means to preservation. If you think you can hear a difference thats fine, but as to describing that difference as warm, bright, punchy ect, is misleading

 

[Superfly]

It was more of a grittiness to the sound that I could hear. to be honest you wouldn't have known this till you did a side by side with it. If it was a Placebo then my wife heard it and so did my friend. I didn't take this likely in swapping out the sc-07. it was loaded with everything that I would ever use. ( and yes I took it to Pioneer to check if something is wrong it was normal. ) T

 

[bandphan]

It was more of a grittiness to the sound that I could hear. to be honest you wouldn't have known this till you did a side by side with it. If it was a Placebo then my wife heard it and so did my friend. I didn't take this likely in swapping out the sc-07. it was loaded with everything that I would ever use. ( and yes I took it to Pioneer to check if something is wrong it was normal. ) T

Im not saying that something might not have been wrong. Here is another good read
http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57522

 

[septim]

I just don't buy the notion that somehow Marantz, HK and NAD sounds warm and better for music than Yamaha and Denon etc. To me, they are all good brands that we can tell their performance mostly by comparing their specs carefully. The RX-V1900 is 4.6 pounds heavier than the 8002 but the 8002 seems to have a larger power supply. (Yamaha power consumption spec: 500W, 1100W maximum, Marantz spec: 780W, no maximum specified).

I went from an Onkyo 805 to a SR8002 and there was definitely a subtle difference in SQ to me. This is just my subjective thoughts on the issue.

 

[celica]

I went from an Onkyo 805 to a SR8002 and there was definitely a subtle difference in SQ to me. This is just my subjective thoughts on the issue.

Hm i'm thinking of making this move too, 'subtle difference' though?

Also i'd take the Yamaha over the Mara

 

[Pyrrho]

I would like to agree with you but I have noticed differences with receivers.
maybe it has to do with the interaction with your speakers.or the Preamp section and not the Amp section
but their is a difference that can be made.

It's like Pizza hut and Pizza Nova, It's still pizza but they taste different.
It also doesn't mean one is better than the other it depends on your taste.

I have tried Onkyo, Pioneer Elite (SC-07) and now Sony 5400ES. Right now I like the Sony sound better..I haven't tried Yamaha, or Denon's new stuff. I am trying to get better knowledge in what to look at for the next move or possible upgrade.

If you really can hear the difference between different amplifiers (properly functioning and operated within their design limits, and set up properly), you can make some money. For a discussion of this, see:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57397

No one has ever been able to demonstrate the ability under proper testing conditions.

 

[iso9001]

I would go with which ever you get the better deal on and don't look back.

 

[DSANTI]

so I guess since I already have an RXV1900 I should just keep the xtra cash I was gonna use to try out the SR8002 and build up on that for separates in the future. I know reading on these forums you will always get different opinions but I wish there was a place here that would let me bring some stuff home to try out just so my ears can decide for me.

 

[PENG]

If it was a Placebo then my wife heard it and so did my friend. I didn't take this likely in swapping out the sc-07. it was loaded with everything that I would ever use. ( and yes I took it to Pioneer to check if something is wrong it was normal. ) T

Funny you mentioned the word "wife". I tried doing A/B with friends more than once, and none of them could ever tell the difference, not even the time when we A/B between a lowly RX-V2400 and Anthem separates using Paradigm Studio speakers. (I mentioned this many times because it was my true experience that surprised me) Now if the 2400 was pushed beyond its power limit then I am sure hope the Anthem would have trumped the 2400.

Back to the "wife" thing, I have tried enough time to know that if I ever ask my wife to try hearing the difference again between any amps the answer would invariably be "no difference whatsoever". That was the answer I typically got in the past even when I thought the difference was quite noticeable.

By the way please excuse me for asking a stupid question, but did you always do your A/B listenings in pure direct mode?