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[PENG]

ARC Genesis made a huge difference for me when it came to subwoofer performance. Experimenting with location also helped, but it was great to just let room correction do its things. It helped address a big dropout in my room and gave me flat response to around 20hz before tapering off. Can’t complain!

With due respect, if (only if) you trust your ears/brain, and have not actually taken measurements to see what's going on, then fine, because only you know what you heard or what you perceived, but that would be subjective so not reliable if comparison listening are done sighted and/or not tightly controlled; and therefore likely wouldn't apply to others who may be less subjective. Just flat for the subs might be easier than flat when integrated with other deep bass capable speakers. If, again only if, only the subs are measured, I would think yes ARC G can do a decent job on flattening the response, though it wouldn't do much to the dips as good as Audyssey or Dirac Live that also won't likely flatten such room modes, but they could still make significant improvements.

I have taken tons of measurements and so I know for a fact, it does not make a "huge difference" if that means huge improvements. Yes it could/would make improvements if one does one's calibration and follow instructions to the letter, but the results won't be as good as Audyssey and Dirac Live. If anyone finds that's not the case, I would love to see measurements that support their findings, but not just what they said/claimed.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

With due respect, if (only if) you trust your ears/brain, and have not actually taken measurements to see what's going on, then fine, because only you know what you heard or what you perceived, but that would be subjective so not reliable if comparison listening are done sighted and/or not tightly controlled; and therefore likely wouldn't apply to others who may be less subjective. Just flat for the subs might be easier than flat when integrated with other deep bass capable speakers. If, again only if, only the subs are measured, I would think yes ARC G can do a decent job on flattening the response, though it wouldn't do much to the dips as good as Audyssey or Dirac Live that also won't likely flatten such room modes, but they could still make significant improvements.

I have taken tons of measurements and so I know for a fact, it does not make a "huge difference" if that means huge improvements. Yes it could/would make improvements if one does one's calibration and follow instructions to the letter, but the results won't be as good as Audyssey and Dirac Live. If anyone finds that's not the case, I would love to see measurements that support their findings, but not just what they said/claimed.

Yep.

Not having actual in-room response REW measurements when saying Anthem's own room correction makes a "huge difference" is like saying Yamaha's own room correction makes a "huge difference" without any REW measurements - all just subjective opinions.

I think you need to have readily available hot-link forum graphs of Dirac vs Audyssey vs Anthem ARC so you can quickly copy/paste them. And then say, "These graphs are proof that Anthem ARC truly isn't even as good as Audyssey or Dirac".

Or post them here again so I can make a hot-link and then I'll be posting them in the future.

 

[NMG]

I definitely haven’t done any REW measurements. All I can really rely on is my ears and having listened to material pre and post ARC. I definitely like how it improved the performance and integration of my sub in the system. I forget what I set the correction cutoff as, but I think it’s around 250-300 hz. I didn’t really like what it did when I set it higher than that. I found that things just sounded dull.

 

[dlaloum]

I definitely haven’t done any REW measurements. All I can really rely on is my ears and having listened to material pre and post ARC. I definitely like how it improved the performance and integration of my sub in the system. I forget what I set the correction cutoff as, but I think it’s around 250-300 hz. I didn’t really like what it did when I set it higher than that. I found that things just sounded dull.

Sounds like the target was set too low in the high frequencies - same effect as turning down the treble...

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

This is using Yamaha’s manual 7-band PEQ and REW/UMIK-1 measurement to get in-room response from +/-5dB to +/-1.5dB. Yeah, I like my bass hot.

If you can get +/-1.5dB response either with manual PEQ or with Audyssey, why pay more for room correction that could cost $20K (Trinnov)?

 

[PENG]

This is using Yamaha’s manual 7-band PEQ and REW/UMIK-1 measurement to get in-room response from +/-5dB to +/-1.5dB. Yeah, I like my bass hot.

If you can get +/-1.5dB response either with manual PEQ or with Audyssey, why pay more for room correction that could cost $20K (Trinnov)?

I think some people just want the expensive Trinnov whether they need their functionality or not. They paid a lot of money for them so it is easy for them perceived the better sound quality. Somewhat like why people are willing to pay a lot of money for exotic dacs, preamps, power amps and even interconnect cables, speaker cables etc.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I definitely haven’t done any REW measurements…

After doing REW measurements in my system, I think it is EXTREMELY EASY to do. And it literally takes about 30 seconds to do one measurement. You click the MEASURE button and bam it’s done.

The only monetary cost is the UMIK-1 microphone for $79 from mini DSP store. The PC REW software is free.

When I bought the UMIK1 a couple of years ago, it was about $120.

UMIK-1

The UMIK-1 is an omni-directional USB measurement calibrated microphone providing Plug & Play acoustic measurement. From speaker & room acoustic measurement to recording, this microphone provides low noise and accurate results you can rely on.

www.minidsp.com

You download the UMIK file using the Serial Number of your UMIK-1 microphone to use the first time you start REW.

You connect the UMIK-1 to your PC (via the supplied USB cable) which is connected to your AVR (via HDMI cable).

No matter what any of these AVR say or do, the ONLY way to be certain how accurate your speakers really are in your own room is to do this 30-second REW measurement.

What if you did REW and found out ARC made your in-room response +/-5dB?

Like Yamaha, Anthem also has manual PEQ. Then what if you could make your speakers +/-1.5dB, instead of +/-5.0dB? Would you keep the +/-1.5dB or the ARC’s +/-5.0dB?

I highly recommend keeping the +/-1.5dB FR because it means you are getting a lot more accurate sound and can hear every note and instrument.

 

[ssmokeyy]

Rew has a huge learning curve. There is info out but it has lots of holes in the info. How to setup the hdmi for rew to signal test, what volume level the avr should benput at to run test , changing graphs, reading the data. I have bee using it for a couple years and the info out now about it almost made me say f it and I use dirac live to Programs like ford scan.