Yamaha AVENTAGE 2021 AV Receivers Bulk Up on Power and 8K Features

[Tankini]

@AcuDefTechGuy any news from the Yamaha rep? 2025 is coming to end and still nothing. I wonder will Yamaha announce the new models at CES on 6.1.2026? From PR point of view it would make sense. I heard from EU distributor that the new models will have fresh look. Maybe ditching the small display and moving the volume knob back to where it belongs?

Lol, Yamaha lol, will do a refresh of the front panel. Be like, No volume knob, no buttons on the front panel just one huge front display. Be like a Apple iPhone display, big touch screen, lites up just a bunch of apps.


Digital VU meter app. Touch front screen display, LED mini light display that changes colors to the beat of the music/movie soundtrack. One little hole on front display for the room correction mic plug-in. So customers don't have to have use HDMI out to a monitor to use all the setting's Lol. Redesign amp section to be more like Buckeye amps be like 15 pounds total weight 1/2 the size AVR's are now. With a whole bunch of little caps switching power supplies, 1000 watts x 2 into 8 Ohms and still charge $3,500. Be like 0.0001 THD. @PENG will be like, yea! now we talking about time. Lol.



Happy Holidays fellas!! Best wishes to All you whippersnappers!

 

[PENG]

Redesign amp section to be more like Buckeye amps be like 15 pounds total weight 1/2 the size AVR's are now.

Yamaha should have no trouble designing/building class D amps, they should do it, its time to be the leader.

With a whole bunch of little caps switching power supplies, 1000 watts x 2 into 8 Ohms and still charge $3,500. Be like 0.0001 THD. @PENG will be like, yea! now we talking about time. Lol.

1000 W is a tall order, I would be happy to see 200 W 8 ohm, 350 W 4 ohm, but 500 W 4 ohm dynamic output, THD+N of 0.01% is good order at the speakers out, but better be no more than 0.001% at preamp output 2 Vrm.

On top of your wish list, please add mine, that is, expand the use of PEQ with YPAO to at least 10 bands, and also add Dirac as a paid option like Masimo's. The more manufacturers support Dirac, the cheaper the licensing fees would become.

If they do that, I believe we would soon see the mainstay will eventually include only D+M, Y, S, okay may be O+I too, the rest, such as Arcam, NAD, Anthem (unless they smarten up by working harder on their potentially viable AARC), can go back to their two channel and/or so called Audiophile domain.

 

[Tankini]

Yamaha should have no trouble designing/building class D amps, they should do it, its time to be the leader.



1000 W is a tall order, I would be happy to see 200 W 8 ohm, 350 W 4 ohm, but 500 W 4 ohm dynamic output, THD+N of 0.01% is good order at the speakers out, but better be no more than 0.001% at preamp output 2 Vrm.

On top of your wish list, please add mine, that is, expand the use of PEQ with YPAO to at least 10 bands, and also add Dirac as a paid option like Masimo's. The more manufacturers support Dirac, the cheaper the licensing fees would become.

If they do that, I believe we would soon see the mainstay will eventually include only D+M, Y, S, okay may be O+I too, the rest, such as Arcam, NAD, Anthem (unless they smarten up by working harder on their potentially viable AARC), can go back to their two channel and/or so called Audiophile domain.

@PENG Happy holidays to you Sir! You do realize I'm just joking. I'm sure of it, You know me PENG. But yeah Yamaha with them deep pockets they have surely can come up with something better than a Big Android looking volume knob in the middle of their AVR's.

 

[ssmokeyy]

Anthem is amazing. Arc works great. So easy to use and 9 times out of 10 sounds better than dirac. Yes dirac can sound better but u also have to drop some real time on it. Arc 25 mins all setup, programed and watching a movie. Big smile. Im getting a marantz av20 and im going to try auddessy pc before dirac art. I have dirac now and everyone says its just amazing. I feel like my room is missing something. When is yamaha going to update there products? They missed the mark with this line.

 

[PENG]

@PENG Happy holidays to you Sir! You do realize I'm just joking. I'm sure of it, You know me PENG. But yeah Yamaha with them deep pockets they have surely can come up with something better than a Big Android looking volume knob in the middle of their AVR's.

Same to you! and I am only half joking.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

When is yamaha going to update there products? They missed the mark with this line.

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me, @Tankini
and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

 

[Tankini]

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

Yeap! Ones that use Audyssey or Dirac are weak minded fiends. Than pay even more to get told there you go! your speakers sound much better after paying use 400 bucks more to watch some squiggly lines on a PC.

Than go but wait you only have our basic ARC you gotta pay us 500 bucks more..only than will you hear that last drop of chocolately smooth mid-range. Kinda like how Samsung refuses to pay the, Dolby vision license fee so they can have the software on their TVs.

 

[Tankini]

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me, @Tankini
and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

Right! The last thing when I am looking to buy an new AVR is what ARC it has. That's definitely not a deal breaker.

 

[ssmokeyy]

I was saying Yamaha missed out on the channel count, Hdmi 2.1 could be better, Better looking box, Missing the avp line, Missing amplifier line, I would say ypao could have been better. 4 subwoofer control. They don't need dirac but something. I also picked a a8a but denon/marantz got back in the game with the cinema 30, a1h,a10h,av20 How to beat those models. noting from yamaha in that range. Sony also needs to step up. great software bad hardware. integra/ onkyo came back big time but haven't been pushing for a min again. anthem is anthem still doing good things kind of long in the platform but what should be the normal update path 1-2-3- year before changes. If these companies would build higher level products they would just charge more. so we have what we have.

 

[PENG]

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me, @Tankini
and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

Probably would sell just a few (hundreds, may be thousands??) more, because >90% of HT users don't know, don't care and they wouldn't know what they missed anyway. That's why if they would ever do it, it should be paid option, Masimo set the example, D+M seems to be selling the latest license, i.e., ART like pan cakes; and users feedback have been consistently positive so far.

For those who have the urge to chase "sound quality", too bad many have not waken up to know that it is always recording/mastering >> speakers/placement> room acoustics/EQ/RC, no the electronics (assuming they got pass the point of diminishing return).

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Probably would sell just a few (hundreds, may be thousands??) more, because >90% of HT users don't know, don't care and they wouldn't know what they missed anyway. That's why if they would ever do it, it should be paid option, Masimo set the example, D+M seems to be selling the latest license, i.e., ART like pan cakes; and users feedback have been consistently positive so far.

For those who have the urge to chase "sound quality", too bad many have not waken up to know that it is always recording/mastering >> speakers/placement> room acoustics/EQ/RC, no the electronics (assuming they got pass the point of diminishing return).

They might sell a few more, but it won’t make a significant difference in terms of overall revenue. That’s why for years, Yamaha didn’t even make AVP, which is basically AVR w/o internal amps.

So Yamaha and Sony will just continue to make their AVR to be in the game, but they probably won’t do anything significant that will make hardcore audiophiles happy.

I hope Yamaha makes a new AVP b/c I want to buy a new one. But definitely not holding my breath.

 

[dlaloum]

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me, @Tankini
and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

Audysey, Dirac Live, ARC, YPAO - they are all basically EQ tools - they do phase & ampitude adjustment...

They can be helpful, but also have substantial limitations.

Dirac ART does something altogether different, in controlling (improving ) decay in the room. Their licensing layers their EQ solution Dirac Live RC on top of ART, but ultimately you could use one without the other.

It is remarkable how much clarity has improved in my setup since the implementaiton of ART... taking the decay out of the room, along with its masking effects does wonders....

Other than using digital DSP methods, ART has nothing in common with the other pre-existing EQ tools... including Dirac Live RC - mainly because it doesn't do EQ.

And yes it is a game changer...
As more people hear what it is capable of, I think that manufacturers will either have to jump on that bandwagon, or devise their own DSP solutions to tackle Room decay. The former is available pretty much immediately (with some integration R&D) - the latter is most likely 10 years away.

 

[PENG]

Audysey, Dirac Live, ARC, YPAO - they are all basically EQ tools - they do phase & ampitude adjustment...

They can be helpful, but also have substantial limitations.

Dirac ART does something altogether different, in controlling (improving ) decay in the room. Their licensing layers their EQ solution Dirac Live RC on top of ART, but ultimately you could use one without the other.

It is remarkable how much clarity has improved in my setup since the implementaiton of ART... taking the decay out of the room, along with its masking effects does wonders....

Other than using digital DSP methods, ART has nothing in common with the other pre-existing EQ tools... including Dirac Live RC - mainly because it doesn't do EQ.

And yes it is a game changer...
As more people hear what it is capable of, I think that manufacturers will either have to jump on that bandwagon, or devise their own DSP solutions to tackle Room decay. The former is available pretty much immediately (with some integration R&D) - the latter is most likely 10 years away.

I wonder if ART can fix most of the issues of big halls such as many churches, such as making it easier to understand the sermons by suppressing the excessive echoes?

 

[dlaloum]

I wonder if ART can fix most of the issues of big halls such as many churches, such as making it easier to understand the sermons by suppressing the excessive echoes?

Oof - big ask to try to control echoes at that level!

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I wonder if ART can fix most of the issues of big halls such as many churches, such as making it easier to understand the sermons by suppressing the excessive echoes?

Oh no, I love the echoing of the sermons. It’s like special effects. Otherwise it would be boring.

 

[Tankini]

Missed with their room correction?

Something tells me even if Yamaha use Audyssey or Dirac, they still wouldn’t sell many more AVR. Some people like Yamaha’s YPAO just like some people like Anthem’s ARC.

And then there are some people like me, @Tankini
and @TLS Guy who don’t care for any kind of room correction.

Right! I'm Not paying 400 extra bucks just to watch some little squiggly lines on my PC to tell me my s*** sounds good!! I set My setup to the Way I like it! Those what's it called, Drick ARC?! Lol on a more serious note, some have really challenging rooms to deal with. I'm pretty sure it helps. I've only had one Big room where bass nulls kicked my a$$ and really needed help with Audyssey.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Right! I'm Not paying 400 extra bucks just to watch some little squiggly lines on my PC to tell me my s*** sounds good!! I set My setup to the Way I like it! Those what's it called, Drick ARC?! Lol on a more serious note, some have really challenging rooms to deal with. I'm pretty sure it helps. I've only had one Big room where bass nulls kicked my a$$ and really needed help with Audyssey.

I guess if we had some seriously bad room acoustics that caused echos and other adverse sound effects, we might be more inclined to seek room corrections more.

I like my bass hot, so I like to manually boost the bass PEQ. So my little squiggly line won’t look very flat anyway. But since the bass sounds great, I see not reason to mess with it further.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Audysey, Dirac Live, ARC, YPAO - they are all basically EQ tools - they do phase & ampitude adjustment...

They can be helpful, but also have substantial limitations.

Dirac ART does something altogether different, in controlling (improving ) decay in the room. Their licensing layers their EQ solution Dirac Live RC on top of ART, but ultimately you could use one without the other.

It is remarkable how much clarity has improved in my setup since the implementaiton of ART... taking the decay out of the room, along with its masking effects does wonders....

Other than using digital DSP methods, ART has nothing in common with the other pre-existing EQ tools... including Dirac Live RC - mainly because it doesn't do EQ.

And yes it is a game changer...
As more people hear what it is capable of, I think that manufacturers will either have to jump on that bandwagon, or devise their own DSP solutions to tackle Room decay. The former is available pretty much immediately (with some integration R&D) - the latter is most likely 10 years away.

So ART can remove room sound echo?

I guess most people can treat their rooms with rugs, curtains, sofas, pillows, etc., to eliminate the echo.

But if they somehow cannot treat the room, Dirac ART could help.

So Dirac ART is like “digital acoustic room treatment “?

 

[dlaloum]

So ART can remove room sound echo?

I guess most people can treat their rooms with rugs, curtains, sofas, pillows, etc., to eliminate the echo.

But if they somehow cannot treat the room, Dirac ART could help.

So Dirac ART is like “digital acoustic room treatment “?

Yes, exactly - but focused on the low frequencies - 20Hz to 150Hz - which also happen to be the hardest ones to control with "solid" means - bass traps are bulky and ugly - rugs, curtains, sofas, all work well for the mid and high frequencies.