Why do people hate Axiom Audio?

[Hetfield]

Anyway, i spread some truth of the real reasons why axiom hate is so prevalent here.

Enjoy your circle jerk boys. Im out

Tons of great speakers out there to enjoy....including axioms

Peace

You quoted your own post! That's the topper of this discussion.

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[NINaudio]

You don't have anything straight and clearly missed the point

When a grown "man"(gene) makes a puppet account on an axiom forum board just to constantly bash and private message users to bash axiom products....it's beyond the point of a simple dislike of a product. And says loads about his character. And of course he probably denies it...but IP's dont lie

Axiom builds a solid product that performs and in many case, out performs the competition. Yeah, its just my opinion but at least my opinion is based on unbiased real world listening and not frequency graphs and ball suckling fan boyism lol

To defend such childish and sketchy poop lile his puppet posting antics...is also beyond pathetic

I've got plenty straight. On page 8, Ian says :

"Amie and I spoke with Gene yesterday and he assured us he would investigate and clean up his internal problems that lead to all these JBall posts over the past few years. We are very happy to see this sort of negativity coming to an end. Audio is a wonderful hobby that brings much enjoyment to the majority of people in it; that is very positive.

Gene has asked that we remove all the JBall posts from our boards which I have already asked Steve to do when he gets to the office. As the regulars on this forum know it is a rare occasion when we delete a post. But I think this is one of those rare occasions where it will be a very good thing. "

So he seems fine with it, but you aren't. Get over it. Ian did.

"Unbiased real world listening" doesn't exist. As soon as you see what you're listening to you've got bias. I'll take concrete evidence of performance over your hearsay and opinions.

 

[shadyJ]

I just don't know what that guy thinks he is going to accomplish. No one is going to read his posts and think "Axiom must be a great speaker if people are trying to bury the truth about it! I should buy some!" It doesn't do Axiom any good.

 

[lovinthehd]

LOL why do screen names (or political action groups) with names like "truthseeker" tend not to?

 

[Hetfield]

I just don't know what that guy thinks he is going to accomplish. No one is going to read his posts and think "Axiom must be a great speaker if people are trying to bury the truth about it! I should buy some!" It doesn't do Axiom any good.

Oh I was just now extremely close to hitting the buy button for the 2 tweeter center. I remembered people talking about it but seeing is something else.

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[shadyJ]

LOL why do screen names (or political action groups) with names like "truthseeker" tend not to?

They are mistaking "truth" for persecution-complex ego validation.

 

[Kingnoob]

Oh I was just now extremely close to hitting the buy button for the 2 tweeter center. I remembered people talking about it but seeing is something else.

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Multiple tweeters this brand is better, wish I could afford

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Bose bashing, axiom just the new Bose ?

 

[Hetfield]

Multiple tweeters this brand is better, wish I could afford

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Bose bashing, axiom just the new Bose ?

Nah I have no idea. I'm just busting that guys balls. Axiom speakers are not cheap though for an ID company. Not something I want but to each their own.


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[Kingnoob]

Nah I have no idea. I'm just busting that guys balls. Axiom speakers are not cheap though for an ID company. Not something I want but to each their own.


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Maybe he’s a troll who came from axiom to promote the brand , even bashing is getting its name out there .

 

[Hetfield]

Maybe he’s a troll who came from axiom to promote the brand , even bashing is getting its name out there .

Tekton look like very interesting speakers. Never looked into them much but they look cool. They also look very expensive.

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[Kingnoob]

Tekton look like very interesting speakers. Never looked into them much but they look cool. They also look very expensive.

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I wish people who like full rangers would buy them and stop crying, a Guy on a different forum was crying over using towers 80hz x over I’m like no one forcing you to do it try 40hz or lower ...almost as bad as bashing a brand

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Yeah too expensive for a full system , a few models are under 2k pair . Cheapest is over $500 ea
Popular cheap pro speaker for hifi wish I had more space to try them but my mom wouldn’t like the idea , seems everything hurts my left ear anymore . Even tv speakers

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[Hetfield]

I wish people who like full rangers would buy them and stop crying
Yeah too expensive for a full system , a few models are under 2k pair . Cheapest is over $500 ea
Popular cheap pro speaker for hifi wish I had more space to try them but my mom wouldn’t like the idea , seems everything hurts my left ear anymore . Even tv speakers

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Yeah I was just on their website, they are not all priced super duper high. There are some affordable stuff to my surprise. They look very interesting.

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[bigbassdave]

I remember an epic subwoofer shootout on this site l around 15-20 years ago or so. It included SVS, Rhythmic, HSU, and others. If anyone could post a link, that would be rad. Seemed like Axiom had a pretty good reputation around here prior to the shootout. They declined to enter as they disagreed with Audioholics testing practices. It wasn’t a good look.
I will say this. I own a pair of M22 bookshelves and have a pair of 20 year old M80ti towers as my fronts in my main theater room. I also use pairs of QS8s (bought from Tom Andry through Audioholics) and QS4s as my surrounds and rear surrounds. They all sound fantastic. That’s the bottom line. Yeah my towers each have dual tweeters, but guess what? They sound great. They really sing paired up with my external power amp. The quadrupole surrounds are the best I’ve used.
To be fair, I did buy their VP150 center channel many years ago, and it was atrocious, but aside from that, I’ve been very pleased with the brand. Would I rather have a pair of B&W 700 towers? Heck yeah, and it’s a goal. For now, these do just fine and put a smile on my face daily.
Lastly, and as others have pointed out, they may not be the best value proposition when buying new. Second hand, you can find very good deals if you’re patient. I got my M80 towers for $250 together, and paid < $400 for the 4 surrounds combined. If you were to buy the newest versions off their site today, you’d pay $4,500 for all that.
If you’re in the San Diego area and want to hear them, you’re welcome to DM me. I take zero offense if your taste ends up differing from mine, and would love to hear other’s opinions.

 

[gene]

I remember an epic subwoofer shootout on this site l around 15-20 years ago or so. It included SVS, Rhythmic, HSU, and others. If anyone could post a link, that would be rad. Seemed like Axiom had a pretty good reputation around here prior to the shootout. They declined to enter as they disagreed with Audioholics testing practices. It wasn’t a good look.
I will say this. I own a pair of M22 bookshelves and have a pair of 20 year old M80ti towers as my fronts in my main theater room. I also use pairs of QS8s (bought from Tom Andry through Audioholics) and QS4s as my surrounds and rear surrounds. They all sound fantastic. That’s the bottom line. Yeah my towers each have dual tweeters, but guess what? They sound great. They really sing paired up with my external power amp. The quadrupole surrounds are the best I’ve used.
To be fair, I did buy their VP150 center channel many years ago, and it was atrocious, but aside from that, I’ve been very pleased with the brand. Would I rather have a pair of B&W 700 towers? Heck yeah, and it’s a goal. For now, these do just fine and put a smile on my face daily.
Lastly, and as others have pointed out, they may not be the best value proposition when buying new. Second hand, you can find very good deals if you’re patient.
If you’re in the San Diego area and want to hear them, you’re welcome to DM me. I take zero offense if your taste ends up differing from mine, and would love to hear other’s opinions.

Good to see a fan of our site for so long.

I think you are referring to this shoot out from a very long time ago: https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/2010-subwoofer-shootout

We have a continuously updated database of EVERY subwoofer we reviewed and measured in excel form on our Patreon as well as some of the review articles on this site. We never tested the Axiom EP800 but the original larger box EP600 managed our medium bassaholic room size rating. I'm not sure how their smaller new EP600 would fair.

 

[bigbassdave]

Good to see a fan of our site for so long.

I think you are referring to this shoot out from a very long time ago: https://www.audioholics.com/loudspeaker-design/2010-subwoofer-shootout

We have a continuously updated database of EVERY subwoofer we reviewed and measured in excel form on our Patreon as well as some of the review articles on this site. We never tested the Axiom EP800 but the original larger box EP600 managed our medium bassaholic room size rating. I'm not sure how their smaller new EP600 would fair.

That’s it! Thanks Gene. Not as long ago as I had thought. I’m going to have a blast revisiting this.
Love this site. I’ve used its guidance from my first Kenwood HTIB to my latest 7.2.4 separate setups. The writers and knowledgeable community have always steered me straight

 

[fmw]

LOL this is a Teton which has its own "thing" going
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Do you know what teton means in Spanish?

 

[lovinthehd]

Do you know what teton means in Spanish?

Just french....and seems to be similar in espanol...

 

[Kingnoob]

I have only heard simulated comb-filtering. I can't recall ever hearing something severe from a loudspeaker setup, because no sensible person would commit such an obvious error. I don't know how clear it would be from a speaker like those Axioms. But another question would be why two tweeters? A single tweeter should have enough dynamic range to keep up with the rest of the drivers, unless it is a bad tweeter. Why risk comb-filtering effects blurring out the sound when it gives you no advantage? I think they are banking on uninformed customers thinking, "oh wow, 2 tweeters? This must be some kind of super speaker!"

It can't be good for imaging either. Most loudspeakers are designed for the acoustic reference point to be roughly at the tweeter point. They are made to behave like point source speakers. Well, how is that affected when the "point" is starting to get spread out between multiple tweeters? There is just no good reason to do that.

I wonder if these surrounds I’m using have any comb filtering?
Don’t get a lot of effects on regular tv so I can’t tell . Might watch some movies and see … but axiom are far pricier than this tier of Klipch ? ..
I’ve not heard axiom or tekdon two brands w multi tweeters.
That VP180 is too pricey and big for me but wow that’s a massive center speaker !!! That doesn’t mean it’s good , Leave that to people who have reviewed it or heard it . Good or bad I’ll probably never have the brand .

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Center Channel seems to do everything, mostly using a roku on spectrum app. Probably no surround encoded.

 

[DacHawk]

I have a 9.1.6 config for home theater with an Lyngdorf MP-60 processor, 3 axiom amps, eight M80 axiom tower speakers, VP180 and VP150 Center speakers, 6 MP5 height speakers and 4 subwoofers (REW'd) from SVS (3) and velodyne (1). The velodyne sub I bought used from Audioholics many years ago.

I've accumulated speakers and amps from Axiom over many, many years and bought largely speakers on sale. Axiom on sale means refurbished, loyality points and black friday sales. Sounds great in my home. I do my own video and audio calibration as a hobby.

I'm happy with Axiom products and their service has always been great.

After finding and reading this thread, I felt obligated to post positive feedback and recommendation for Axiom.

 

[aenthusiast]

Aware this is an old thread but wanted to post my thoughts.

The Axiom M3ti was the first good speaker that I ever owned. Remember that glowing review out there about the original M3ti? In college I bought that version in very good condition (pair were rears in a home theatre). And looking back, I wish I had never sold that pair. At the time I took them into a quality local hifi shop that sold Totems, Paradigm, McIntosh and the likes and listened to them with the sales guy. He said for $500 they are a steal. I agreed. Across a wide spectrum of music genres they performed very well. A little finicky on placement as monitors can be, and they had a "unique" sound somewhere in the midrange (not bad just different) but overall, whether Axiom accidentally stumbled upon it or not, it was a solid all around performer. A fun speaker with punch, and sensitive and easy to drive. They effectively conveyed upline equipment changes and produced a great sound, fairly musical.

So what did I do? Several years down the road I acquired another pair. Bought an M3v2. However, highs were harsh. It was an entirely different speaker. Upon removing the driver of this pair, I discovered the cabinet on this pair was constructed from particle board. No joke. Not HDF as my original pair. So if you hear reviews about the harsh highs, it could be because people are listening to a pair where Axiom abandoned HDF and went for particle board....

Fast forward, I still wanted to acquire a version of the quality speaker that I had enjoyed in college. So I bought a M3v3 in great condition. Would it sound the same? Drumroll.. cabinet was back to HDF like the originals! Great. Sound? Different... congested through the mids and lacking on the lower end. It did not have the nice rolled off low end extension of the original speaker. The driver seemed to be tuned differently.. tight.. and it did not need additional break in as it was not a new pair.

People may say yes well you bought a V2 or a V3. True. But ideally aren't subsequent versions supposed to improve over time? If Axiom were able to replicate what they did with the original speaker, it would sell. My issue is 1) the quality control 2) lack of further experimentation and development rather than repackaging of the apparently "same" stuff (but from my experience, actually quite different.) 3) Axiom largely seems to be milking their cash cow, increasing prices, and tweaking the original recipe in the wrong ways. Wish I could get a quality version that sounded like the original..

I have mixed feelings on the brand. A friend of mine put M3 in wall version in his home and they sound great, albeit significantly more expensive now than they used to be. Personally I'm hesitant to buy any of their stuff because frankly I'm not confident in what exactly I would be getting and my respect for the brand is diminished.

Axiom Audio has been around for many years, but when I make a post about my amp flaking out many people see the Axioms and say hey "Those are white van speakers". What does that mean exactly. Then someone says look at the readings, those speakers suck. I have a few pairs of Axiom and I like them. I have many others, Elac, KEF, B&W, and more. They all sound pretty good. The Axiom M100's are some of the best i've heard.

I''m a chef, so i'll put this in something I understand... I can't look at a piece of paper with an entire recipe and know if tastes good. I've tried, i've been surprised so many times. Whats the difference?