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[Matt34]

Americans are applying for permanent residency here in Canada to escape from that asshole Trump.

Go outside, get some fresh air, this isn't healthy.

 

[3db]

Neither is Trump being president.

 

[Dude#1279435]

Dude, if you want to believe everyone right of center is 'far' right then that's your call, but you'd be wrong.

Not my point. More along the lines of using Rumble and woke, cope, snowflake etc than saying you're not on the right. Don't support Trump. Are not Republican or conservative while displaying tendencies of. Whichever combination you wanna select really. The ones here who dislike Trump, I clearly know who they are, and I probably know how they will vote. The ones on the right seem to swerve and bob & weave cause Trump is taboo. Cause deep down they love or loved how he behaves. Creating their own paradox, but prefer to blame the left for their own paradox type thing. Continue to display conservative tendencies while saying they're not. That type of thing.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Sorry, did someone say something about "fixing" the economy under Trump?

The Fed is VERY concerned about Trump having won and expects not to be able to lower rates to where they were planning:

Experts say mortgage rates will stay high as Trump inflation fears negate expected Fed cut

The post-election market reaction has been “swift and telling.”

fortune.com

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-victory-means-fewer-fed-rate-cuts-425869ea

Trump's economic plans would worsen inflation, experts say

Donald Trump has vowed that if voters return him to the White House, “inflation will vanish completely.”

apnews.com

But that is what they voted for so they can blame Biden.

 

[j_garcia]

But that is what they voted for so they can blame Biden.

They can blame whomever they want, but what are they going to do when it gets worse?

It is a given that with high interest / bad economy, whoever is in charge will be out. In this case, the choice wasn't going to be spectacular either way.

 

[GO-NAD!]

Americans are applying for permanent residency here in Canada to escape from that asshole Trump.

If the polls are accurate, we will probably be getting a Conservative government with a large majority in parliament next year. Then, they will have to contend with that asshole Poilievre. Those of us in the centre - like myself - will just have to bear down and deal with it, while talking the leftists off the ledge.

 

[Mikado463]

Yeah, hallelujah!

The saturation of every form of media with political ads this election cycle was absurd. The non-stop SMS political cr*p was especially annoying.

and to further show how pathetic our country has become, both parties combined spent a half billion dollars on this BS in my state of Pa alone !

other news, I see Pat Summerall's daughter has been named Trump's Chief-of-Staff. She helped her father overcome alcoholism, maybe she can temper Trump ? Not holding my breath..........

 

[3db]

If the polls are accurate, we will probably be getting a Conservative government with a large majority in parliament next year. Then, they will have to contend with that asshole Poilievre. Those of us in the centre - like myself - will just have to bear down and deal with it, while talking the leftists off the ledge.

I'm afraid your right.

 

[highfigh]

That makes sense in isolation.

However, if the two clauses in this sentence are unrelated, it's like saying, "The sky is blue, but what kind of car should I buy?

That's why it looked like a comparison was being made.

Americans are applying for permanent residency here in Canada to escape from that asshole Trump.

But it's probably not the ones (Cher, Alex Baldwin, etc) who threatened to leave the US if W and T were elected in the past, as if that would affect peoples' decision to pick a candidate.

How is it gong up there? I have been watching videos about some accusations tossed at Trudeau. Money missing, feds capping emissions....

 

[highfigh]

If the polls are accurate, we will probably be getting a Conservative government with a large majority in parliament next year. Then, they will have to contend with that asshole Poilievre. Those of us in the centre - like myself - will just have to bear down and deal with it, while talking the leftists off the ledge.

I watched a video about the emissions cap with the Danielle Smith- how do you think that will end?

 

[GO-NAD!]

I watched a video about the emissions cap with the Danielle Smith- how do you think that will end?

Good question. Greenhouse gas emissions/environment are in the federal government's jurisdiction, so she may not have much choice - if the new regulations are actually implemented.
Alberta Premier Smith says she's 'pissed' about oil and gas cap, eyeing legal challenge | CBC News

If the Conservative Party is voted into office next year...well, they don't give a poop about climate change, so those regulations would probably go by the wayside. They may pay lip service to environmental concerns, but actually do nothing about them. They are already saying they will cancel the carbon tax - which is an end-user charge* on fossil fuels. The federal carbon tax also features a rebate - in effect, combination carrot and stick. So, the more fossil fuel you use, the more tax you will pay and the less you benefit from the rebate. The less you use, the more benefit you will derive from the rebate. The Conservative party keeps hammering on the carbon tax, but never mention the rebate.

*Ironically the carbon tax is pretty much universally considered to be the conservative measure for reducing emissions, i.e. let the market decide how to reduce emissions in the most economical fashion they can find, rather than the methods/technology being dictated. But, in politics these days, everything is being turned upside down.

 

[highfigh]

Good question. Greenhouse gas emissions/environment are in the federal government's jurisdiction, so she may not have much choice - if the new regulations are actually implemented.
Alberta Premier Smith says she's 'pissed' about oil and gas cap, eyeing legal challenge | CBC News

If the Conservative Party is voted into office next year...well, they don't give a poop about climate change, so those regulations would probably go by the wayside. They may pay lip service to environmental concerns, but actually do nothing about them. They are already saying they will cancel the carbon tax - which is an end-user charge* on fossil fuels. The federal carbon tax also features a rebate - in effect, combination carrot and stick. So, the more fossil fuel you use, the more tax you will pay and the less you benefit from the rebate. The less you use, the more benefit you will derive from the rebate. The Conservative party keeps hammering on the carbon tax, but never mention the rebate.

*Ironically the carbon tax is pretty much universally considered to be the conservative measure for reducing emissions, i.e. let the market decide how to reduce emissions in the most economical fashion they can find, rather than the methods/technology being dictated. But, in politics these days, everything is being turned upside down.

More people, more emissions- hard to prevent because it's not just IC engines. That said, she made some good points about the time frame for the goals- too many believe or falsely think that 2035 is realistic, but if China, Russia and India do nothing, anyone to their East can do more, but the results will be skewed. Have you seen the smog in India? The photo is from the link, taken on November 3rd-

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/india/new-delhi-beijing-pollution-levels-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Why would a rebate go to anyone who's a heavy contributor/oil user?

Maybe, more legislators need to see the lungs of people who inhaled polluted air, then told that if they breathed that kind of foul air for long, theirs are similar. It might make them change their minds- if you haven't seen them, it's bad- similar, but not as bad as smoker's lungs.

 

[GO-NAD!]

More people, more emissions- hard to prevent because it's not just IC engines. That said, she made some good points about the time frame for the goals- too many believe or falsely think that 2035 is realistic, but if China, Russia and India do nothing, anyone to their East can do more, but the results will be skewed. Have you seen the smog in India? The photo is from the link, taken on November 3rd-

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https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/16/india/new-delhi-beijing-pollution-levels-intl-hnk-dst/index.html

Why would a rebate go to anyone who's a heavy contributor/oil user?

Maybe, more legislators need to see the lungs of people who inhaled polluted air, then told that if they breathed that kind of foul air for long, theirs are similar. It might make them change their minds- if you haven't seen them, it's bad- similar, but not as bad as smoker's lungs.

If every country waits for every other country to act, nobody will. We certainly aren't the first ones with a carbon tax. The EU has carbon pricing policies, as well. Which reminds me, the Canadian government recently negotiated a trade deal with Ukraine and imbedded in the agreement, is a reference to carbon pricing (I can't recall the details). In the House of Commons, the Conservative Party voted against deal, ostensibly because of its opposition to carbon pricing*. The deal went ahead, because the Cons don't currently have enough votes to defeat it.

*Ukraine has stated that they are perfectly fine with carbon pricing, as that will be a prerequisite for admission to the EU anyway. It has been suggested that the Cons voted against the deal, because they are playing footsie with the hard right - which is more than a bit sympathetic to Russia - in order to attract their support (votes) come election time.

 

[highfigh]

If every country waits for every other country to act, nobody will. We certainly aren't the first ones with a carbon tax. The EU has carbon pricing policies, as well. Which reminds me, the Canadian government recently negotiated a trade deal with Ukraine and imbedded in the agreement, is a reference to carbon pricing (I can't recall the details). In the House of Commons, the Conservative Party voted against deal, ostensibly because of its opposition to carbon pricing*. The deal went ahead, because the Cons don't currently have enough votes to defeat it.

*Ukraine has stated that they are perfectly fine with carbon pricing, as that will be a prerequisite for admission to the EU anyway. It has been suggested that the Cons voted against the deal, because they are playing footsie with the hard right - which is more than a bit sympathetic to Russia - in order to attract their support (votes) come election time.

But the US and Canada HAVE acted and I'm not saying that anyone should wait, but those three have been damned slow in getting onboard. Making petroleum-based fuels unaffordable isn't going to work and use can't be stopped instantly, which seems to be a surprise to the 'Just Stop Oil' gang.

 

[3db]

If every country waits for every other country to act, nobody will. We certainly aren't the first ones with a carbon tax. The EU has carbon pricing policies, as well. Which reminds me, the Canadian government recently negotiated a trade deal with Ukraine and imbedded in the agreement, is a reference to carbon pricing (I can't recall the details). In the House of Commons, the Conservative Party voted against deal, ostensibly because of its opposition to carbon pricing*. The deal went ahead, because the Cons don't currently have enough votes to defeat it.

*Ukraine has stated that they are perfectly fine with carbon pricing, as that will be a prerequisite for admission to the EU anyway. It has been suggested that the Cons voted against the deal, because they are playing footsie with the hard right - which is more than a bit sympathetic to Russia - in order to attract their support (votes) come election time.

I find Pollieve shoots from the hip without offering any real solutions to what he's opposing. I really getting a strong hatred for our parlimentary system and the political system in US. There is very little spirit of cooperation between the parties. No wonder nothing ever gets done. I'm also disillusioned with the people entering politics as a whole. Most end up getting selfish corrupt and no longer care for the betterment of our countries. Maybe its time to cut way back on their salaries and benefits. I dunno. I just hate the whole f?ckin mess.

 

[Trell]

But the US and Canada HAVE acted and I'm not saying that anyone should wait, but those three have been damned slow in getting onboard. Making petroleum-based fuels unaffordable isn't going to work and use can't be stopped instantly, which seems to be a surprise to the 'Just Stop Oil' gang.

You don’t understand that they want the same living standards as us, and what they hear is that they should forgo that while we have been polluting heavily since the Industrial Revolution.

Besides, per capita they pollute far less.

Besides, why are you as an American criticizing them when you don’t even live there? To remind you of your own “arguments“.

 

[GO-NAD!]

But the US and Canada HAVE acted and I'm not saying that anyone should wait, but those three have been damned slow in getting onboard. Making petroleum-based fuels unaffordable isn't going to work and use can't be stopped instantly, which seems to be a surprise to the 'Just Stop Oil' gang.

I can't speak for those other countries, but we can't just have a perennial standoff on the issue.

If we were truly making fuel unaffordable, there wouldn't be so many pickups - in both of our countries - on the road with one occupant. And, nobody expects use to stop instantly.