V3 Fosi mono Kappa 9

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Anglofun

Junior Audioholic
Afternoon gents!

Your thoughts on 2 48v monoblocks to power the woofer section on Kappa 9's from INFINITY. I have a Classe DR2 for the mid range. And yes, I am on full mode in an ideal world with the V3's.
So basically I would be Bi-amped. Classe for the mid range and highs and the V3's monoblocks for the bass.
Thanks!
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
Afternoon gents!

Your thoughts on 2 48v monoblocks to power the woofer section on Kappa 9's from INFINITY. I have a Classe DR2 for the mid range. And yes, I am on full mode in an ideal world with the V3's.
So basically I would be Bi-amped. Classe for the mid range and highs and the V3's monoblocks for the bass.
Thanks!
Why do you want to passively biamp in the first place? If this is the route you want to go it's best to use identical amps as you could be creating more problems than any possible benefit.
 
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Anglofun

Junior Audioholic
Why do you want to passively biamp in the first place? If this is the route you want to go it's best to use identical amps as you could be creating more problems than any possible benefit.
Because the midrange quality of the DR2 is quite nice in comparison to the V3.
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
Because the midrange quality of the DR2 is quite nice in comparison to the V3.
I haven't had a chance to listen to both at the same time for comparison purposes but I don't think you're going to gain much, if anything, compared to using one capable amp. Do you feel you're lacking just with the Classe driving the speakers alone and what do you mean by the amp having "midrange quality?"
 
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Anglofun

Junior Audioholic
I haven't had a chance to listen to both at the same time for comparison purposes but I don't think you're going to gain much, if anything, compared to using one capable amp. Do you feel you're lacking just with the Classe driving the speakers alone and what do you mean by the amp having "midrange quality?"
Not lacking, my main question was is the V3 able to handle the bass section of the Kappa 9? I have them coming in today so I guess I will soon know
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
Not lacking, my main question was is the V3 able to handle the bass section of the Kappa 9? I have them coming in today so I guess I will soon know
They should be able to handle the bass section based on the measurements of the of Fosi. Everything indicates it is competent to below 20hz.
 
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Anglofun

Junior Audioholic
They should be able to handle the bass section based on the measurements of the of Fosi. Everything indicates it is competent to below 20hz.
Agreed, fingers crossed cause these speakers are horrid to drive. Tried many but ideally I should have gone with Krell or Mark Levinson. Just didn't want to drop so much on a secondary system.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Agreed, fingers crossed cause these speakers are horrid to drive. Tried many but ideally I should have gone with Krell or Mark Levinson. Just didn't want to drop so much on a secondary system.
Your Classe cannot do it on their own but the 2 V3 with 48 v PS will be abe to do a decent job. Sounds like you have a good plan..
 
everettT

everettT

Audioholic Spartan
Agreed, fingers crossed cause these speakers are horrid to drive. Tried many but ideally I should have gone with Krell or Mark Levinson. Just didn't want to drop so much on a secondary system.
Just note that Hypex and Purifi (and all the companies that use their modules) offer state of the art amps at extremely reasonable prices if you ever want to make a change. Good luck with your purchase, it should be fine.
 
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Anglofun

Junior Audioholic
Just note that Hypex and Purifi (and all the companies that use their modules) offer state of the art amps at extremely reasonable prices if you ever want to make a change. Good luck with your purchase, it should be fine.
I looked at the HYPEX. in monoblocks it quite pricey, like used KRELL or ML pricey. And if I was to put 2k on an amp, just for the warm and fuzzy feel, I would KRELL or ML over HYPEX, can I LOL on this?
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I looked at the HYPEX. in monoblocks it quite pricey, like used KRELL or ML pricey. And if I was to put 2k on an amp, just for the warm and fuzzy feel, I would KRELL or ML over HYPEX, can I LOL on this?
The Classe is class A right.? That should give you enough warmth (pun intended), when used with 2x V3 mono. My V3, Hypex, Purifi all sounds as good as my much more expensive amps. People pay more for other reasons, often not for better SQ. I think you will be happy with your V3.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Agreed, fingers crossed cause these speakers are horrid to drive.
May be that's what people said on the internet but they often said such thing without stated the underlying conditions.

Reality is, such large speaker can be considered power hungry but most of the times there are not if used for less than reference level (like most people do) and seating distance not too far such as less than 4 to 5 meters.

Take a look of the specs, assuming yours are the RS 9 Kappa

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If you know how to calculate the power requirements, that's great but if not, just use an online calculator and you will see that with just 20 W, you can get reference level of 105 dB, that's super loud! from 15 feet:

Peak SPL Calculator

So, those who said they were horrid to drive, might be sitting very far in a very large room and/or listen to even above reference level.

Having said that, I don't believe the 102 dB/1w/m is realistic, so I would de-rate it by 13 dB, to say 89 dB and the results would then be:

about 90 dB, from 15 feet, 25 W, or
92 dB, from 12 feet, 25 W, or
105 dB (ref level), 12 feet, with 500 W

You can see that there is truth in the speaker being "horrid to drive" as a general statement, one must know the use case and go from there, and keep in mind I arbitrarily de-rate the sensitivity spec from 102 dB to 89 dB, so in reality, I doubt most would need 500 W from 25 feet to get reference level.

Also, your proposed use case is to use the V3s to drive the 2 12 inch woofers only, so your power requirement would drop below the calculated results shown above.

Such large 4 ohm rated speakers of love "power" or current, but how much you need depends a lot on how loud you want to listen to and your seating distance.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Reducing the sensitivity spec from Infinity by 12dB might be a bit much, but haven't seen measurements of those speakers either. That Classe amp is just not very powerful to begin with, might have better results just using the Fosi amps alone. Normally I wouldn't bother with passive bi-amping and would generally agree better to do it with identical amps (or just a more powerful amp to begin with).
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
Icepower has a lot of options as well, and those come with an integrated power supply so no additional bricks etc to deal with and are reasonably priced.
 
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