Ukraine – Russia … not more of the last thread

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Ukraine are fighting a form of asymmetric warefare, and have been doing so from when Russia invaded. They've just got more sophisticated in their tactics. Battlefield tactics, intelligence ops, and diplomacy they've outdone Russia with fewer resources. Especially in terms of manpower.

Can they maintain this advantage? To be seen, especially with little interest from the current US administration.

But if they can produce their own version of the Patriot missile defence system, then this could be, not a game changer - as the Russians seem to think that targetting civilians will bring a country to its knees. When history shows that a united and resilient population can endure. The Nazis were winning the Battle of Britain until they swiched from bombing UK military targets to bombing cities in an act of frustration.

The US, not being more generous in giving weapons or licensing production of Patriots and other missile defence systems could lead to the Ukrainians developing cheaper systems and cutting the rug from the US defence industry as these can be marketed elsewhere.

They have become a world leader in drone technology and application from a standing start a few years ago.
 
Ukraine are fighting a form of asymmetric warefare, and have been doing so from when Russia invaded. They've just got more sophisticated in their tactics. Battlefield tactics, intelligence ops, and diplomacy they've outdone Russia with fewer resources. Especially in terms of manpower.

Can they maintain this advantage? To be seen, especially with little interest from the current US administration.

But if they can produce their own version of the Patriot missile defence system, then this could be, not a game changer - as the Russians seem to think that targetting civilians will bring a country to its knees. When history shows that a united and resilient population can endure. The Nazis were winning the Battle of Britain until they swiched from bombing UK military targets to bombing cities in an act of frustration.

The US, not being more generous in giving weapons or licensing production of Patriots and other missile defence systems could lead to the Ukrainians developing cheaper systems and cutting the rug from the US defence industry as these can be marketed elsewhere.

They have become a world leader in drone technology and application from a standing start a few years ago.

Ukraine won't be able to build them for several reasons. They are 1) China controls all the rare earth minerals needed in the guidance system of these missiles and China is saying no. 2) Russian intelligence will spot the factor being built and will launch missiles on it.

The US missiles are depleted because of Ukraine and now the Iran war. They simply don't have enough.
 
Could an explosive drone at a ...

As German authorities investigate a drone laden with explosives and a detonator found at Leipzig airport, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has signalled Moscow's intent to step up retaliation against countries helping Ukraine.

"We will adopt much harsher methods to destroy everything that enables the West to fuel Kyiv's war machine," Lavrov said in an interview with VGTRK, Russia's state media. "We are already doing this."

They're not even hiding it now. The west should be increasing the economic pressure on Russia.

Meanwhile - and I can't believe it's still happening - the west is still buying uranium from them.
Russian enriched uranium shipp...
 
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Im beginning to really worry about the Ukraine/Russia war spilling into Europe. The dumfuck Europeans are pounding their chests with very strong rhetoric against the Russians with that dim wit German chancellor suggesting economic sanctions against Russia. Nato's teeth are the size of a chihuahua compared to a German Shepard of Russia. The Iran war is not a WW3 event but the stupidty of the Europeans and Putin running out of patience with them is could lead to a WW3 event.


There is also a strong Neo Nazi aspect in the Ukranian government. See the 17 minute mark...

 
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Im beginning to really worry about the Ukraine/Russia war spilling into Europe. The dumfuck Europeans are pounding their chests with very strong rhetoric against the Russians with that dim wit German chancellor suggesting economic sanctions against Russia. Nato's teeth are the size of a chihuahua compared to a German Shepard of Russia. The Iran war is not a WW3 event but the stupidty of the Europeans and Putin running out of patience with them is could lead to a WW3 event.


There is also a strong Neo Nazi aspect in the Ukranian government. See the 17 minute mark...

Those "dumbfuck Europeans" have every reason to be concerned about Russian hybrid attacks in western Europe. Continued reticence to respond will not help them. It's Europe's patience that is being tested.

Are you suggesting that Europe abandon Ukraine and let Russia devour that country? The atrocities committed by the Russians so far will pale in comparison with what will unfold after a Ukrainian defeat. A European withdrawal of aid, followed by Ukrainian collapse, will be all the encouragement Putin needs to then overtly turn his attention to the Baltic states.

While there may be fascist elements within the Ukrainian government and military, Russia is a fascist state in all but name. Russia could end this war today if they just turned around and went home. Ukraine does not have that choice. And, prior to the invasion in 1939, the Polish government was itself just a hair short of being outright fascist. Still, as a result, the Allies declared war on Germany. So, I wouldn't hinge support for Ukraine on whether or not they've been able to weed out every single Nazi.

If Russia wants to keep up their hybrid attacks against western Europe, we should sanction the poop out of Russia instead of the half-assed measures currently in place.
 
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The reports of Putin's comments are far from verified, but they strike me as consistent with everything I've heard aboult the Russian mob style government.

>>>Russian President Vladimir Putin fears for his own safety if the war ends without Russia achieving even its minimum goal, capturing all of Donbas, The Economist writes.

Sources close to Putin told the outlet that at some point during the war, he told people around him, “They will hang me.” The outlet did not specify the context in which he said it or any other details of the conversation.<<< (emph,asis added)


Putin needs to stay in power to stay alive, and he will lose power (and die) if he appears weak.

Conversely, the quickest way to end the war would be for Putin to die.
 
This caught my eye:

>>>Russian battlefield costs continue to mount, with as many as 450,000 battlefield deaths and 1.4 million casualties between February 2022 and June 2026. These rates are astounding. Russian fatalities in Ukraine are more than four times greater than all U.S. fatalities in all wars combined since World War II, and more than nine times greater than all Soviet and Russian fatalities in all wars combined since World War II.<<< (emphasis added)

 
The reports of Putin's comments are far from verified, but they strike me as consistent with everything I've heard aboult the Russian mob style government.

>>>Russian President Vladimir Putin fears for his own safety if the war ends without Russia achieving even its minimum goal, capturing all of Donbas, The Economist writes.

Sources close to Putin told the outlet that at some point during the war, he told people around him, “They will hang me.” The outlet did not specify the context in which he said it or any other details of the conversation.<<< (emph,asis added)


Putin needs to stay in power to stay alive, and he will lose power (and die) if he appears weak.

Conversely, the quickest way to end the war would be for Putin to die.
That's the most exasperating aspect of this war. It continues to consume lives and treasure, all for the sake of one man's ego, should Russia prevail - his neck, should they not.
 
This caught my eye:

>>>Russian battlefield costs continue to mount, with as many as 450,000 battlefield deaths and 1.4 million casualties between February 2022 and June 2026. These rates are astounding. Russian fatalities in Ukraine are more than four times greater than all U.S. fatalities in all wars combined since World War II, and more than nine times greater than all Soviet and Russian fatalities in all wars combined since World War II.<<< (emphasis added)

Mindboggling.
 
Those "dumbfuck Europeans" have every reason to be concerned about Russian hybrid attacks in western Europe. Continued reticence to respond will not help them. It's Europe's patience that is being tested.

Let flip the role for a moment and let Ukraine attack Europe while Russia feeds the Ukranian forces drones and ammo. Just saying.

Ukraine is not a full member of NATO and ALL the NATO economies are really hurting at the moment. You don't provoke the bear unless you know you can win. Even that is a risky proposition knowing that either side would switch to nukes if they feel they are losing.

Are you suggesting that Europe abandon Ukraine and let Russia devour that country? The atrocities committed by the Russians so far will pale in comparison with what will unfold after a Ukrainian defeat. A European withdrawal of aid, followed by Ukrainian collapse, will be all the encouragement Putin needs to then overtly turn his attention to the Baltic states.

I'm saying that Ukraine was talked out of the deal that Russia and that Ukraine was going sign because of NATO arrogance which would given Ukraine their independence with some small land concessions. NATO told Ukraine to hold out against Russia, a short sighted fool's errand. Russia is winning the war against Ukraine with Ukraine losing towards Christmas or a month or two after Christmas. Once Ukraine, falls, Russia will take it all and Ukraine will have nothing to show for it except bombed out cities, heavily damaged infrastructure, and lots of lots of deaths. This was a very strategic blunder on NATO's part which also influenced the outcome of the Iran/US war.

If Russia wants to keep up their hybrid attacks against western Europe, we should sanction the poop out of Russia instead of the half-assed measures currently in place.

You want to sanction the poop out of Russia just like the US did to Iran? How did that work out? Russia (as much as I don't like Putin) has ALL of the natural resources to remain self sufficient. How do you think it will workout for Europe when they have almost zero supply of diesel and or natural gas left to heat their homes in the dead of winter? Do you think Russia is going to open its fuel and natural gas to Europe when Europe is sanctioning the poop out of them? Its time to set aside emotion, drop the NATO arrogance and look strategically at what goes on.
 
Let flip the role for a moment and let Ukraine attack Europe while Russia feeds the Ukranian forces drones and ammo. Just saying.

Ukraine is not a full member of NATO and ALL the NATO economies are really hurting at the moment. You don't provoke the bear unless you know you can win. Even that is a risky proposition knowing that either side would switch to nukes if they feel they are losing.



I'm saying that Ukraine was talked out of the deal that Russia and that Ukraine was going sign because of NATO arrogance which would given Ukraine their independence with some small land concessions. NATO told Ukraine to hold out against Russia, a short sighted fool's errand. Russia is winning the war against Ukraine with Ukraine losing towards Christmas or a month or two after Christmas. Once Ukraine, falls, Russia will take it all and Ukraine will have nothing to show for it except bombed out cities, heavily damaged infrastructure, and lots of lots of deaths. This was a very strategic blunder on NATO's part which also influenced the outcome of the Iran/US war.



You want to sanction the poop out of Russia just like the US did to Iran? How did that work out? Russia (as much as I don't like Putin) has ALL of the natural resources to remain self sufficient. How do you think it will workout for Europe when they have almost zero supply of diesel and or natural gas left to heat their homes in the dead of winter? Do you think Russia is going to open its fuel and natural gas to Europe when Europe is sanctioning the poop out of them? Its time to set aside emotion, drop the NATO arrogance and look strategically at what goes on.
Ukraine was already independent before the invasion and I don't know what "deal" Ukraine was talked out of signing. They were and are determined to fight back against Russia and the honourable thing for the West to do is to help them. The US and Russia were supposed to guarantee Ukraine's security in exchange for giving up their nuclear weapons. What a joke that was - Russia invaded them and the US has abandoned them.

Europe won't even have to enact sanctions on Russian energy. They've practically weaned themselves off already.
Major Reductions by Fuel Type
    • Coal: Imports of Russian coal have been completely eliminated through EU sanctions. [1]
    • Oil: Russian oil imports dropped from roughly 27% at the start of 2022 down to about 2%, with only a couple of landlocked, Moscow-friendly member states (like Hungary and Slovakia) still receiving small amounts. [1, 2]
    • Natural Gas: Reliance on Russian gas has fallen sharply from roughly 40%–45% of overall imports before the war to roughly 12%–13%. [1, 2, 3]

How Europe Achieved This
    • Demand Reduction: The EU permanently cut its overall gas consumption by roughly 19% through conservation and efficiency shifts. [1]
    • Diversification: Countries increased liquefied natural gas (LNG) imports from alternative global suppliers and sourced piped gas from nations like Azerbaijan. [1, 2]
    • Legal Phaseouts: The EU enacted regulations to prohibit remaining Russian gas and LNG imports fully by late 2026 and 2027. [1, 2]

Look, I don't know what's gotten into you. I'm genuinely perplexed. You say you don't like Putin, but you're carrying an awful lot of Russian water right now.
 
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Ukraine was already independent before the invasion and I don't know what "deal" Ukraine was talked out of signing.
I'll let you dig into that a little more.

They were and are determined to fight back against Russia and the honourable thing for the West to do is to help them. The US and Russia were supposed to guarantee Ukraine's security in exchange for giving up their nuclear weapons. What a joke that was - Russia invaded them and the US has abandoned them.

Europe won't even have to enact sanctions on Russian energy. They've practically weaned themselves off already.


Look, I don't know what's gotten into you. I'm genuinely perplexed. You say you don't like Putin, but you're carrying an awful lot of Russian water right now.

I'm not prepared to see another world war break out and have countless millions die for a politician's bidding be it the US or Russia. Yes I don't like Putin, the way he had his political opposition killed and thus rig whatever resembled an election. I'm also very staunchly opposed to the bullshit in the middle east STARTED by Trump and Israel. Trump is making a monetary killing from this war and the US is ok with this? Israel is committing genecide and ethnic cleansing and you toss out the woke term every time I mention. I can't believe you keep denying what is so painfully obvious. Before criticizing others, look in the mirror.
 
I'll let you dig into that a little more.
I probably follow this topic more than the average person. I haven't come across this "deal" before. So, if you can't provide a reputable link, I'm going to assume there was no deal.

I'm not prepared to see another world war break out and have countless millions die for a politician's bidding be it the US or Russia. Yes I don't like Putin, the way he had his political opposition killed and thus rig whatever resembled an election.

So, we let Russia have whatever they want, or it'll be WW3? Nah, not buying it. And, you don't like Putin because of what he did to his own political opposition!? If that was his biggest sin, we could happily ignore Russia.

I won't even get into things like what he did to Chechnya, or assassinations and sabotage in western countries.
Massacres and Summary Executions
    • The Bucha Massacre: Following the withdrawal of Russian forces from the Kyiv suburb of Bucha in March 2022, hundreds of civilian bodies were discovered. Many were found executed at close range in the streets or buried in mass graves, some with their hands bound behind their backs and blindfolded. [1, 2, 3]
    • Execution of Prisoners of War (POWs): Russian forces have repeatedly carried out summary executions of captured Ukrainian soldiers. High-profile incidents, such as the filmed execution of soldier Oleksandr Matsiyevsky, match findings from the UN confirming the systemic execution, torture, and castration of Ukrainian POWs. [1, 2]
    Deliberate Targeting of Civilians and Infrastructure
      • Bombing of Shelters and Hospitals: Russian forces have deliberately bombed clearly identified civilian facilities. Notable early examples include the March 2022 airstrike on the Mariupol Drama Theater—which was clearly marked with the word "children" ("дети") and served as a civilian bomb shelter—and the destruction of the Mariupol maternity hospital. [1, 2]
      • Targeted Child Casualties: Continued strikes on residential buildings, schools, and playgrounds have resulted in the deaths of at least 791 children and the injury of thousands more. There have also been instances of Russian FPV drones deliberately targeting individual children and families in open yards. [1, 2]
      • Weaponizing Civil Infrastructure: Russia has launched sustained, nationwide campaigns targeting Ukraine's energy grid, water supplies, and thermal plants. The UN assesses these actions as deliberate attempts to make civilian life unsustainable, which constitutes a war crime. [1, 2]
      • Double-Tap Strikes on First Responders: UN investigators have documented instances of coordinated drone and missile strikes targeting first responders, fire brigades, and ambulances attempting to rescue victims of initial strikes. [1, 2]
      Crimes Against Humanity in Occupied Territories
        • Forcible Deportations and "Filtration": The UN Commission of Inquiry formally designated Russia's state-coordinated deportation and forced transfer of Ukrainian populations as crimes against humanity. Hundreds of thousands of civilians, including thousands of unaccompanied children, have been subjected to abusive security screenings known as "filtration camps" before being forcibly relocated deep into Russian territory. [1, 2, 3, 4]
        • Systemic Torture Networks: In liberated areas like Izium, Kherson, and Lyman, investigators uncovered numerous "torture chambers". Civilian detainees, municipal workers, and anyone showing pro-Ukrainian identity have been subjected to severe beatings, electric shocks, psychological abuse, and starvation. [1, 2, 3, 4]
        • Sexual Violence: International organizations have verified numerous accounts of rape and sexual assault committed by Russian soldiers against Ukrainian women, men, and children as a method of psychological warfare and subjugation. [1, 2, 3]
This is not to say that Ukrainian forces have been totally innocent. But, any sins on their part absolutely pale in comparison with the crimes of the invaders. It is glaringly obvious why there is an ICC warrant for Putin's arrest, while the warrant for Zelenskyy's arrest was issued only by Russia.

I'm also very staunchly opposed to the bullshit in the middle east STARTED by Trump and Israel. Trump is making a monetary killing from this war and the US is ok with this?
You ask me if I'm "ok with this"? If you interpret anything I've stated in relation to the Middle East as being supportive of US and Israel, you've completely lost the plot.

Israel is committing genecide and ethnic cleansing and you toss out the woke term every time I mention. I can't believe you keep denying what is so painfully obvious. Before criticizing others, look in the mirror.
The main difference between you and I on the issue of genocide is that, while Israel has absolutely committed war crimes in Gaza, I don't think they rise to the level of genocide. The level of wanton destruction, disregard for civilian casualties, targeting of emergency services personnel...this all calls for jail time for those involved, including most of the Israeli government cabinet. The Holocaust, Rwanda and the Killing Fields of Cambodia - those were genocides. Gaza is not...not yet, at least.*

I find it odd that you're willing to sacrifice Ukraine for the sake of preventing wider conflict, but not Gaza. Are you aware that Israel buys a great deal of raw material from Russia, including grain stolen from Ukraine?

The word "woke" has been rendered meaningless, and you have never seen me use it before.

*Recent Israeli suggestions of expelling the Gazan populace are absolutely unacceptable.
 

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