Too funny, MacPro started the thread over 9 months ago, never responded back and now we have a pissin match AVR vs Integrated
The problem is the industry's fault. If you want stereo two channel, then you should be able to buy a two channel AV amp, with a selection of inputs and bass management. That is actually what most of the market actually needs.
The issue I think is not whether an integrated amp sounds better then an AV receiver, it is which is the more reliable.
The fact is that the integrated amp will almost certainly outlast the AV receiver. I think the blow up rate of AV receivers is their problem. Part of that is excess facialites, and that means cheapening core facilities. For a start the first thing these units don't need is these autocorrection programs, so called "room" room correction. Whereas is fact they are actually an attempt to correct lousy speakers. I have three systems in three rooms. All have Audyssey. If Audyssey is engaged it results in a massive downgrade in SQ. They are in fact quality spoilers, and not helpful and raise cost. Most rooms are not a significant problem, but I know most speakers are.
Just look at members who still value receivers from the seventies. They are still working in large numbers. Quad gear fetches high prices, mainly die to their reputation for reliability and serviceability. Peter Walker always told me, is that what customers really don't want, is gear that gives trouble. He was right back then, and he is right now.
In my view the reliability of AVRs is unacceptable, being underpowered for all the amps stuffed in, makes me highly suspicious that their quality is actually suspect under real world conditions and not the bench.
People I know, actually want to get back to the quality of half a century ago, but also enjoying a picture with their audio. Now pretty much their only option for that is a ghastly sound bar!
The industry has been galloping down the wrong road.
What is need is simpler and more RELIABLE gear. Instead of spurious bells and whistles, what is required is good design and at least autograde components and may be aircraft grade at the higher end of the spectrum. Stuffing all these complex units with thousands of bottom grade components needs to end, and soon. The answer is simpler and more elegant design and fewer electronic components.
We need to be pushing for change here, if we don't this hobby will die, as most of the public will not tolerate what is on offer, and by and large they don't and shouldn't.
