Traid subamp 3ohm stable.

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ssmokeyy

Audioholic
Just wondering if the traid ts-subamp 700 and 1200 if anyone has tried 2 ohms? Reviews say its a icemodule inside.


Is traid amps over or underrated ?
 
mono-bloc

mono-bloc

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One word would describe this excuse for an amp ""JUNK "'

This statement on there web page, covers there performance adequately. [ Capable of delivering full power for more than a minute, ]
 
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One word would describe this excuse for an amp ""JUNK "'

This statement on there web page, covers there performance adequately. [ Capable of delivering full power for more than a minute, ]
How often have you needed to produce full power for more than a minute? That doesn't mean the volume control is turned up- music is dynamic, not continuous signal.

What do you base your opinion on?
 
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Just wondering if the traid ts-subamp 700 and 1200 if anyone has tried 2 ohms? Reviews say its a icemodule inside.


Is traid amps over or underrated ?
The spec shows 3 Ohms minimum. Why could you operate outside of the specs? That's bad system design.
 
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ssmokeyy

Audioholic
Rockford fosgate would rate their amps to 2 ohm but could run all day at 1 ohm. Many brands do not rate to max. Would whyni think home audio brands would be different when they over charge for gear all the time Or lie about the quality of parts they use.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
You mean Triad? Pretty well regarded for their speakers. Never saw comments about their branded electronics. I don't see pricing for their sub amps so hard to determine value but I imagine they work fine, altho for a sub amp I would prefer to see ratings for 2 ohm, but I just see a 4 ohm rating and a 3 ohm minimum impedance spec so might limit subs/wiring....what subs do you need the amps for?

ps DigitalDawn is a Triad dealer, maybe she can advise
 
DigitalDawn

DigitalDawn

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The new Triad amps are outstanding, but they are specifically designed for Triad's latest subs.
 
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Rockford fosgate would rate their amps to 2 ohm but could run all day at 1 ohm. Many brands do not rate to max. Would whyni think home audio brands would be different when they over charge for gear all the time Or lie about the quality of parts they use.
OK, time for a quick lesson- those Rockford-Fosgate amplifiers were wired to one or more car batteries and their power supplies weren't tightly regulated, so when peak power was needed, the batteries provided more current than a wall outlet could provide. Cranking batteries are rated at more than 800CCA- directly applied power is calculated by using P=IE, where 800 x 12V = 9600W and at 120VAC, the circuit needs to deliver 80 Amperes to achieve that power and neither is going to be 100% eficient. Not gonna happen. Class AB car amp efficiency can be assumed to be about 50%, on a good day.

Also, the only way those amplifiers could run all day at 1 Ohm is if the voltage doesn't drop, cool air was blown on the heat sinks, the amp wasn't mounted directly on a carpeted panel and wasn't mounted upside-down. I have seen Rockford-Fosgate amplifiers that stopped working because they became so hot that component solder joints melted and parts fell out. It wasn't Rockford's fault, the amps were installed incorrectly.

The little transformers in audio equipment could never deliver the current needed for this level of power. Direct Current design and circuits are very different from Alternating Current. Power supplies that plug into a wall outlet deliver higher voltage to the rest of the amplifier than a car audio amplifier needs in order to develop high power- again, P=IE, so if the battery voltage is only 12VDC, power isn't going to be high, so back in the dark ages of the 1980s, MOS-Fets became popular because the amp manufacturers started providing the high voltage needed for the output transistor power supply rails by incorporating an oscillator to create AC voltage which is far easier to increase using a transformer while this can't be done with DC.
 
everettT

everettT

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Rockford fosgate would rate their amps to 2 ohm but could run all day at 1 ohm. Many brands do not rate to max. Would whyni think home audio brands would be different when they over charge for gear all the time Or lie about the quality of parts they use.
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Since you saw my post on ASR about SpeakerPower and Hypex, what subs are we talking about?
 
Speedskater

Speedskater

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The only way a wall outlet can limit current is by tripping the breaker.
A circuit can deliver 10 times its safety rated current for brief periods, and almost twice its rated current for long periods before the insulation is damaged.
 
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The only way a wall outlet can limit current is by tripping the breaker.
A circuit can deliver 10 times its safety rated current for brief periods, and almost twice its rated current for long periods before the insulation is damaged.
But the voltage will decrease as the heat in the conductors increases, so it will limit in physical ways and at some point, contact area is damaged, especially when someone back-stabs the outlets but the real limit comes from power transformers and regulators in the amplifiers.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
How much power do most subs need in most rooms?

Most rooms I’ve seen are probably no bigger than 18’ x 20’ x 10’ ceiling.

My brother has a single 10” passive Sealed NHT SW2P sub with an 80Watts external amp in his 18x20x10 open living room and all the walls shake like an earthquake.
 
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everettT

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How much power do most subs need in most rooms?

Most rooms I’ve seen are probably no bigger than 18’ x 20’ x 10’ ceiling.

My brother has a single 10” passive ported sub with an 80Watts external amp in his 18x20x10 open living room and all the walls shake like an earthquake.
It all depends on the design and I've even seen 500w between two drivers on sealed subs sound great. Some of my earlier sealed subs needed massive power to hit their reach and SPL, the last sealed subs only needed just over 600w to reach full output to two 15"woofers. Sealed subs need more power and wirh DSP.
 
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