Towers for $2000 or less?

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markm

Audiophyte
Don't rule out Aperion. For $2000 you can get the highly acclaimed 533-PT's, matching 533-VAC center and two 534-SS dipole/bipole surrounds. Your requirement for tight bass would seem to be met with the PT's having an 8" powered subwoofer in each tower.

Free shipping *both ways* if you don't like them after the try-out period. I haven't come across a single reviewer that didn't think these speakers were simply amazing for the money and all say they sound like speakers many times their price. You could drop down to direct radiating surrounds and to the 633-t's and pick up one of their subs which are highly rated as well and keep it close to $2000.
 
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Wid

Wid

Audioholic
I have not heard of the Axiom standard finish as having a tendency of "rolling up at the seams". I have had mine for close to 3 years and have had absolutly no problems with the finish. I have also been reading the Axiom forums for nearly as long with very few mentions of people having any trouble with the finish.
 
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Arthur Nelson

Audiophyte
:) If You Can Find A Pair Of Wharfedale Emerald 99's Buy Them.
This Was The Flagship Model Prior To Opus & The 99 Mk Iv
Sounds Almost Exactly Like The Opus With A Little Less Bass ,but Same Mid & Hi. Bi-wired They Are Nirvana & Can Be Bought For Less Than $4oo.. Used
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
I feel the need to clarify something on this string. While I did ask for input and expressed a desire to purchase a different ‘sounding’ speaker than my Axiom M80TI’s, I in no way, whatsoever am dissatisfied with their performance or build quality. I am simply looking for something different. I also want a speaker that has a real wood finish, and as I initially indicated, Axiom is still on my shopping list (they now offer a real wood veneer). I in no way feel that the vinyl finish is anything but superb, considering that it is in fact vinyl. I have several Axiom products, many of which I bought through Axiom’s Factory Outlet store which is their “B” stock items that they sell at a 10% discount. In fact, when I received my “B” stock items, I looked them over very thoroughly and could not detect any blemish of any kind on all but two out of eight speakers and subwoofers. I had to look very hard to find these “B” stock blemishes, and on both occurrences, they were a slight discoloration on the bottom of the speaker that will never be seen.

Axiom customer service is bar none, the best I’ve ever dealt with regardless of product. They go to simply amazing distances to support their product. I’ve had numerous email, forum and phone conversations with their tech, sales, service departments and even Amie and Alan themselves (the owners).

If all I ever listened to were top notch recorded CD’s in which a highly detailed speaker can make beautiful sound out of, I’d not consider buying anything but Axiom. Unfortunately, many of my CD’s are not recorded very well. This is a fault of the producers, not the speaker. I’m not about to quit listening to some genre’s as that is my preferred taste. Therefore, I need to find a more forgiving speaker. I do not intend on ditching the Axiom products I currently have either, they are just going to live in my little home theater room. This room will be dark and I don’t give a hoot what finish the speaker has. The area where my two channel system resides is another story. The speakers are out in the open in a log home with nothing but wood under them and all around them where they get a lot of attention. Vinyl just doesn’t look right.

So for those of you, who may stumble onto this string, please don’t leave thinking Axiom is a sub-par speaker. They are anything but. If you take the time to look their specs over a little closer, you will soon see that they are in fact ‘high end’. In fact, through all this searching, asking questions and research, I’m finding it difficult to find similar performance from any speaker close to Axiom’s price point. The price point just leaves one thinking that they are low end. Don’t let that fool you.
 
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Jack Dotson

Audioholic Intern
Snip..

In fact, through all this searching, asking questions and research, I’m finding it difficult to find similar performance from any speaker close to Axiom’s price point. The price point just leaves one thinking that they are low end. Don’t let that fool you.[/QUOTE]

I got my Energy 2.3i's new for $1699. Sound good with everything you throw at them, not just with really good recordings.
 
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einsteinjb

Audioholic
Mdrew, I'm quite difficult to please when it comes to speakers, though I don't have the budget for $2000 speakers right now. I insist on neutrality, accuracy, clean sound... Which is why after a lot of listening, research, conversations with owners, etc. I bought a pair of Ascend CBM-170SEs when I wanted an ACCURATE bookshelf speaker for my little mixing studio. Didn't give a hoot what they looked like, I just wanted the most accurate sounding little boxes I could find within my budget. I couldn't be happier with them.

Of course I can't recommend the Ascend CMT-340SEs to you (much as I'd love to) because they're plain black boxes, not what you're looking for. I also haven't heard them so I'd be recommending purely based on extrapolating what my 170s sound like combined with owner comments.

However, with the same desire for accuracy, detail, natural sound etc., after a similar bout of research, listening, conversations with owners, etc., I decided to order a pair of the new Swans 5.2 for my little HT. Don't have them yet so I can't give you first-hand listening comments yet (gimme 2 weeks!), but I would suggest you at least have a conversation (phone, email, whatever) with Jon Lane at theaudioinsider.com. Great guy, and he gave me what I believe are honest answers about his speakers. It can't hurt for you to at least ask him the same questions you asked here and see if he thinks the Swans (the 6.2s most likely) would do it for you. If so you always have the 30-day money back, though the shipping costs both ways might be a bit painful...
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
Thank you. The Swans most certainly look like a heck of bargain. I have looked at them before and am currently corresponding with someone who has a set of 6.1's and 6.2's. He actually prefers the 6.1's but is thinking he has a bet set of 6.2's.

I'm trying to find a set of those Wharfendale Opus 2's right now. If I can't locate a set in the color I want, and at a reasonable price, I'll give the Swan's a closer look, along with several others mentioned in this thread.

I sure do appreciate all the feedback. I'm glad I asked here as y'all have pointed me towards many speakers I had not even heard of. This has been fun!
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
Wid said:
I have not heard of the Axiom standard finish as having a tendency of "rolling up at the seams". I have had mine for close to 3 years and have had absolutly no problems with the finish. I have also been reading the Axiom forums for nearly as long with very few mentions of people having any trouble with the finish.
Wid, I had it happen twice with the various Axioms I have tried. A drop of glue fixed it - and speakers get moved a lot more often around our place than what normal people will do. So - while it is not a common occurence, Axiom's standard finish IS more susceptable to "roll up" than with speakers which are real wood. I would not shy away from Axioms due to this, though.

Jack Dotson, I agree that the Energy's will sound good, even with less than great recordings, that also points towards the Energy'a being somewhat less than a "Very Accurate" loudspeaker. They are somewhat forgiving, which is not necessarily a bad thing.

My preference is for more accuracy, but others will prefer more forgiving. Having a LOT of choices is a good thing. :)
 
Wid

Wid

Audioholic
Craig,

I have no doubt that any speaker that has a vinyl finish would be more susceptible to this but to say they have tendency (A strong attraction to something) to do so seemed a bit to strong of a statement, that's all.
 
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DaveN

Enthusiast
Vandersteen

Vandersteen 2Ce's are sensational, especially for the price $1,549. per pair. The are open, clean and create an amazing stage. I didn't notice what you are using for power. I use an old 2 channel Crown workhorse (not exactly audiophile grade) rated at a conservative 150 WPC and they deliver nice clean sound levels. I strongly recommend auditioning them.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Want something that will eat B&W, Axiom, PSB, and Paradigm

mdrew said:
I feel the need to clarify something on this string. While I did ask for input and expressed a desire to purchase a different ‘sounding’ speaker than my Axiom M80TI’s, I in no way, whatsoever am dissatisfied with their performance or build quality. I am simply looking for something different. I also want a speaker that has a real wood finish, and as I initially indicated, Axiom is still on my shopping list (they now offer a real wood veneer). I in no way feel that the vinyl finish is anything but superb, considering that it is in fact vinyl. I have several Axiom products, many of which I bought through Axiom’s Factory Outlet store which is their “B” stock items that they sell at a 10% discount. In fact, when I received my “B” stock items, I looked them over very thoroughly and could not detect any blemish of any kind on all but two out of eight speakers and subwoofers. I had to look very hard to find these “B” stock blemishes, and on both occurrences, they were a slight discoloration on the bottom of the speaker that will never be seen.

Axiom customer service is bar none, the best I’ve ever dealt with regardless of product. They go to simply amazing distances to support their product. I’ve had numerous email, forum and phone conversations with their tech, sales, service departments and even Amie and Alan themselves (the owners).

If all I ever listened to were top notch recorded CD’s in which a highly detailed speaker can make beautiful sound out of, I’d not consider buying anything but Axiom. Unfortunately, many of my CD’s are not recorded very well. This is a fault of the producers, not the speaker. I’m not about to quit listening to some genre’s as that is my preferred taste. Therefore, I need to find a more forgiving speaker. I do not intend on ditching the Axiom products I currently have either, they are just going to live in my little home theater room. This room will be dark and I don’t give a hoot what finish the speaker has. The area where my two channel system resides is another story. The speakers are out in the open in a log home with nothing but wood under them and all around them where they get a lot of attention. Vinyl just doesn’t look right.

So for those of you, who may stumble onto this string, please don’t leave thinking Axiom is a sub-par speaker. They are anything but. If you take the time to look their specs over a little closer, you will soon see that they are in fact ‘high end’. In fact, through all this searching, asking questions and research, I’m finding it difficult to find similar performance from any speaker close to Axiom’s price point. The price point just leaves one thinking that they are low end. Don’t let that fool you.
in one gulp and still look good doing it? take a look at this site. Another fine product out of Canada.

http://www.focusaudio.ca/index1.htm

http://www.focusaudio.ca/graphics/FS888creative_original.jpg
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
Thank you David. Unfortunately, where I live there are very few speakers to audition. I did look at them though. I just don’t like the way they look. I know that sounds vane, but I have to look at them every day as well as listen to them.

For power I’m using a Rotel 1070/1080 separate combo. 200 watt per channel at 8 ohm. I believe it is close to 350 per channel at 4 ohm. Wid has the same set up and knows for sure what it is, if you’re still around Rick.

I actually bought the Rotels on Rick’s recommendation because he has the same speakers as I and is using the same Rotel combo. The M80’s are power hungry and love to be played loud.
 
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craigsub

Audioholic Chief
Wid said:
Craig,

I have no doubt that any speaker that has a vinyl finish would be more susceptible to this but to say they have tendency (A strong attraction to something) to do so seemed a bit to strong of a statement, that's all.
Ok. Bad choice of words. ALL better now. :)
 
Wid

Wid

Audioholic
craigsub said:
Ok. Bad choice of words. ALL better now. :)
Of course it's all good Craig, you know I have a deep respect for you and always will.
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
Well I’m not having much luck finding the Wharfendale Opus 2’s. At least not at a reasonable price. I’m stuck with the opus 1’s or opus 3’s.

I’m concerned that the 1’s will not have enough bass with their single 8” driver, and I’m concerned that the 3’s will have too much bass with two 10” drivers. The 1’s go down to 37, while the 3’s go down to 30.

Any thoughts on this?
 
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einsteinjb

Audioholic
mdrew said:
Well I’m not having much luck finding the Wharfendale Opus 2’s. At least not at a reasonable price. I’m stuck with the opus 1’s or opus 3’s.

I’m concerned that the 1’s will not have enough bass with their single 8” driver, and I’m concerned that the 3’s will have too much bass with two 10” drivers. The 1’s go down to 37, while the 3’s go down to 30.

Any thoughts on this?
Mike, haven't you gotten the memo? There's no such thing as too much bass!!! :p ;)

OK there is, but IMO there's no such thing as too much bass capability, or any other capability for that matter as long as the speaker is properly designed and sounds great to you. You could put a half dozen SVS PB12 Ultra/2s in your room and it won't be "too much bass" as long as you position and calibrate them correctly. (It'll just be way more bass headroom than you're ever likely to need, which is not at all the same thing. :))
 
Wid

Wid

Audioholic
Mike,

Have you thought about trying the resistors that Axiom sells? If you try these on your exsisting M80s and like the results then you could wait for the wood veneer finish and know you would be happy.
 
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mdrew

Audioholic
No, I hadn't though of that Rick. Good idea. Practical and cost concience. Neither traits that I have....LOL
 

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