Thinking about adding an amp?

[Privateer]

No. Because most people, including Enrique I'm guessing, don't spend a second thinking about sound quality when watching a movie.

Thinking about sound quality? That is a new one because I hear the sound quality. Are you saying if we put most people in a high end HT room they would not hear a difference?

 

[racquetman]

Thinking about sound quality? That is a new one because I hear the sound quality. Are you saying if we put most people in a high end HT room they would not hear a difference?

No, I'd love to put everyone in a high end HT room. I would love to show everyone what they're missing. But the reason people put up with horrible theater sound, and buy terrible sounding HTIB's and purchase highly compressed audio files by the thousands is that they either don't know what they're missing or they don't care. All those who I try to educate seem to fit in the "I don't care" category. I've managed to convert only 1 person to a high end system, and he doesn't even listen to music. Audio is not on the top of everyone's priority list. Even some of the people who post here.

I wouldn't buy a HTIB because there is limited flexibility, they usually don't have the inputs or processing I desire, they aren't very future proof generally, and sound quality usually isn't up to par.

Are you saying you have to be obsessed with audio quality to purchase quality, well designed speakers or components?

 

[mulester7]

.....some very good responses....Hidog, you make good point that 50 more horsepower is not that noticable to an engine that let's say has about 400 horsepower....a like comparison might be a 200 per side slave amp beside a 140 per-side receiver....now let's talk beef....if you triple or quadruple the watts of headroom to a full-range signal, you will notice a fullness with authority full-range, but mostly, you will notice the difference in the low end with a tightness....a more mellow tightness, with more authority, and more punch.....

.....as I consider the sealed boxes/small cannons more and more, I guess I'm thinking headroom lately, the effects of which are most noticable in that lower range....

.....GaryZ06, that was a very good description of fatter and fuller sound....can you also say you noticed more rich tightness and quickness in the low end?.....

.....Alandamp, your calmed mature demeanor in expressing yourself with very good posting was what we all need to notice....larger headroom is a very good thing, and I'll amend things here to say the most noticable region of improvement is the low end, be it woofer or subwoofer.....

 

[GaryZ06]

.....Hidog, you make good point that 50 more horsepower is not that noticable to an engine that let's say has about 400 horsepower

.....GaryZ06, that was a very good description of fatter and fuller sound....can you also say you noticed more rich tightness and quickness in the low end?.....

I would call it a punchier sound......for the record.....you would without a doubt feel 50 hp on a 400 hp engine...trust me...

 

[MDS]

Just noticed GaryZ06 is from Pembroke Pines, FL. I grew up there - Pasadena Lakes to be exact.

We now return to the amp debate...

 

[GaryZ06]

Just noticed GaryZ06 is from Pembroke Pines, FL. I grew up there - Pasadena Lakes to be exact.

We now return to the amp debate...

I know exactly where that is....

 

[brian32672]

I know exactly where that is....

I as well know where that is

Anyhow, back to amps. I myself am considering 7 Outlaws.......(possible 5)
The do have a special, for this amount (7). But now my worries are power requirements.

 

[GaryZ06]

Model 200 (7 Amp Special) 200 Monoblock Amp (7 Amps) $1694.00
That is only $242 per amp......and I believe is comes with free shippng.

 

[brian32672]

Gary,
is there any kind of gain level on these amps. Or does it just go by the volume of the receiver?

 

[GaryZ06]

Gary,
is there any kind of gain level on these amps. Or does it just go by the volume of the receiver?

No gain.....it just goes by the receiver.

 

[mulester7]

Model 200 (7 Amp Special) 200 Monoblock Amp (7 Amps) $1694.00
That is only $242 per amp......and I believe is comes with free shippng.

.....I believe mono-blocks are by-and-large gainless....50 bucks for 7 mono L-pads to turn down the speakers that are too loud, and you would be home....but if the headroom on these monoblocks is only 200, you won't gain much.....

.....I threw the QSC RMX 2450 into the mix for a reason, and that's TRUE clean headroom for authority, punch, and rich fullness, cheap....you can enrich your mains with one slave amp via pre-outs, add another pair of like-mains sitting right beside your present ones, kick all four with paralleled watts, and have a point of powerful imaging big as Texas....get them off the floor for projection into the chamber, and continue on with the rest of the speakers accenting, pushed by the surround receiver, and you would have MUCH bang for the buck....don't most of you have mains that run about 300-400?....599 for the slave-amp, 300-400 for the mains....one of the best grands you would ever drop....

.....60 day return policy on the amp per link listed, make chicken feeders out of the new mains, and never listen to the idiot mule again....I dare youses......

 

[Privateer]

Are you saying you have to be obsessed with audio quality to purchase quality, well designed speakers or components?

Either that or have a pile of money to throw away. You do not have to be obsessed but you do have to have common sense and say hey that sounds better.

 

[mtrycrafts]

let me assure you, speakers will get loud on 20 watts maybe, but the same speakers will come to LIFE with Authority, Fullness, and Crispness, sipping off about 600....can you go with that, Mac?......

Why is this? What basis for this? Thechnical is good

 

[mtrycrafts]

.....Alandamp, that DVD don't have music on it?....rich, full-range reference-level interludes?, at least?....

.....guys, push your system with 3 watts, I don't care, it's your money, and yore system....but here's 1200 watts continuous at 2, times two, that's CLEAN, and most importantly, is reviewed to be very TRANSPARENT....$599, and that's CHEAP for this much clean transparent power, brand new....we've looked at these before....if you want to, read all of the short content on both links....yeah, spambot, unpaid, unloved.........

http://onstagemag.com/ar/performance_qsc_rmx/

http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--QSCRMX2450

Yep, it has lots of power into 2 ohms but useless the speaker load doesn't dip that low, it doesn't matter, right?

Furthermore, if you cannot drive it loud enough to use all the power of that amp because it would blow the speaker, what good is that extra power???

 

[Privateer]

Class D amps do not sound good when used as full range and I would advise against using one on anything other than a sub. I would like to see those "amps" run at 1200W at 2 ohms before they blow up, as for a "real" amp that can run at 1200W continuous here you go.

MC1201 Monoblock Power Amplifier

 

[mulester7]

Class D amps do not sound good when used as full range and I would advise against using one on anything other than a sub. I would like to see those "amps" run at 1200W at 2 ohms before they blow up, as for a "real" amp that can run at 1200W continuous

.....Privateer, the class ""AB"" QSC RMX amps, would not need to be running more than probably 60 or 70 watts to make !LOUD! listening....I'm glad you brought up the McIntosh 1201 mono slaver....now Mac is underrated on watts, so let's say it puts out 1400....and it's clean, sure, but NOT transparent by my standards as per McIntosh....my Mac solid-state pre-amp adds plenty of compression effect, thanks....and....the McIntosh 1201 goes for, I believe it's around, $10,000, not sure, but I know it's over six or seven THOUSAND.....

.....$599, 1200 also, AB, clean, TRANSPARENT.....

 

[brian32672]

the McIntosh 1201 goes for, I believe it's around, $10,000, not sure, but I know it's over six or seven THOUSAND.....

Yea, it retails for $7,500 and weighs a beefy 147 lbs.

 

[mulester7]

Yea, it retails for $7,500 and weighs a beefy 147 lbs.

.....and it's QUALITY for those who seek it's timbre, Brian....but it's $7500, and there ain't no discounts....well, not much, I called a local shop, and I'm pretty good at asking....what you need with McIntosh, is to call a dealership that has no showroom or storage, and only jobs the product to you by ordering it....they'll give it up more than the one here in Little Rock.....

 

[brian32672]

Brian....but it's $7500,

Oh, no worries about me buying it.
If I had an extra 7,500 I would buy another projector with DC3.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Class D amps do not sound good when used as full range

We know this because of extensive evidence to support this??? Bias controlled to boot?


I would like to see those "amps" run at 1200W at 2 ohms before they blow up, as for a "real" amp that can run at 1200W continuous here you go.

I am pretty sure I was talking about blowing up the speakers with more power than it can safely handle, not the amp going up in smoke